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posted May 30, 2014 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See how Leo + Virgo are covering my descendant and Libra+Scorpio around the 8th? Which one truly rules the 8th house here? Virgo, Libra or Scorpio? I ask because those cusps confuse me...if Sun (Leo) rules my 7th, wouldn't Mercury (Virgo) be the ruler of my 8th..even though it's right on my 7th house..I'm mostly confused about which exaclty is my 8th house ruler.

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posted May 30, 2014 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is why I prefer using equal house system. It's simpler and a bit of a combination of whole house system and Placidus which is most commonly used.

In your case Virgo would rule your 8th house and I would put your 8th house Cusp at 24 degrees Virgo. This would place Venus right on the cups of 8 and 9 so I would read interps for both those placements. Libra would then rule your 9th house.

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posted May 30, 2014 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks littlecloud. Yes I have used equal house (I really, really like it), but Idk if it will fit in with my placidus chart, and the meanings that I am already used to, lol.

So in this particular chart in Placidus mode, would the 8th house be ruled by Libra instead? Virgo really doesn't count here...right?? Saturn's in my 9th house, and Sagittarius already begins there..I hate my chart's really complicated 'houses'..-sigh

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posted May 30, 2014 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got Moon in Cancer square Pluto and Venus. Huh. I would've thought you were a Moon in fire!

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posted May 30, 2014 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
You got Moon in Cancer square Pluto and Venus. Huh. I would've thought you were a Moon in fire!

Moon in Cancer very late degrees almost in Leo, maybe that's why, heh. Everyone assumes I must have a lot of fire/air in my chart, but nope. More earth and water (Jupiter in Pisces 1st house, Moon in Cancer, Pluto in Scorpio), I guess my airiness comes across as fiery? I only have Saturn and Uranus (my chart rulers) under fire signs (Sag) .. that's about all the fire I have, lmao

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posted May 30, 2014 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Post the entire chart in equal house (if you're ok with it) and I'll give you a quick breakdown

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posted May 30, 2014 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 30, 2014 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KingofCups     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
See how Leo + Virgo are covering my descendant and Libra+Scorpio around the 8th? Which one truly rules the 8th house here? Virgo, Libra or Scorpio? I ask because those cusps confuse me...if Sun (Leo) rules my 7th, wouldn't Mercury (Virgo) be the ruler of my 8th..even though it's right on my 7th house..I'm mostly confused about which exaclty is my 8th house ruler.


Your Eighth House Cusp falls in Libra. Therefore, Venus is the ruler of your Eighth House.
Your chart has an interception, which is read as giving emphasis to particular skills or themes in your life but also giving you "psychological gaps" in regards to other things.
The ruling signs don't have to go in order in Placidus. If you have one sign in which a cusp doesn't fall, then you also have another sign that has two cusps in it. And because the wheel is symmetrical, that'll give you one intercepted axis and one highlighted axis.

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posted May 30, 2014 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KingofCups:
Your Eighth House Cusp falls in Libra. Therefore, Venus is the ruler of your Eighth House.
Your chart has an interception, which is read as giving emphasis to particular skills or themes in your life but also giving you "psychological gaps" in regards to other things.
The ruling signs don't have to go in order in Placidus. If you have one sign in which a cusp doesn't fall, then you also have another sign that has two cusps in it. And because the wheel is symmetrical, that'll give you one intercepted axis and one highlighted axis.

Hope this helps


Ok, just as I thought . So then, how about Virgo? It doesn't really rule anything on my chart, and Scorpio? It's not really the 9th house..that's what I find weird..how/why these signs are occupying these houses, lol. Thanks, KoC - can you explain about the psychological gaps, etc?? What do you mean by that?

EDIT: Yes, equal looks much neater.


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posted May 31, 2014 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry! I didn't catch when you had the chart up. You can email me if you like.

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posted June 02, 2014 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KingofCups     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Ok, just as I thought . So then, how about Virgo? It doesn't really rule anything on my chart, and Scorpio? It's not really the 9th house..that's what I find weird..how/why these signs are occupying these houses, lol. Thanks, KoC - can you explain about the psychological gaps, etc?? What do you mean by that?

EDIT: Yes, equal looks much neater.


If I remember correctly, your Virgo/Pisces Axis is intercepted, so no, neither Virgo nor Pisces rules any house in your chart. The ruling sign of a house is the sign in which the cusp of the house falls. I don't remember exactly what your chart looks like though, but I'm thinking that the majority of your 9th House isn't in Scorpio but that your 9th House Cusp is. In this case, Scorpio would still be the ruler of your 9th. There should also be a pair of signs each with two house cusps in them. Both of those houses will be ruled by the same sign in this case, and that sign axis will be emphasized in your life.

By psychological gaps, I mean that you will have a hard time understanding the themes of a particular axis. They just won't register with your mind properly, and in order to access the skills of the intercepted axis, you will have to go deeper within yourself.

While the Equal House System may be neater, it excludes interceptions and such, and I personally feel like this takes away complexity that is characteristic of people. Different themes have a different degree of emphasis in our lives. I feel as though the Equal House system assumes that every theme plays an equal role. Although, depending on where you were born, there may not be much of a difference between the two charts.

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posted June 02, 2014 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisces def. engulfs my entire 1st house though..

Thanks for the info. KOC I might post my chart later.

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posted June 03, 2014 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's my chart again

@littlecloud ?

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posted June 03, 2014 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Give me a couple of hours. I'm visiting my mom in the hospital.

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posted June 04, 2014 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would still put your 8H ruler as Mercury. Venus could possibly be a secondary, or co-ruler since your asc is pretty late, but that depends on how detailed you want to get.

IQ uses equal house as well, I believe he explained it as each house representing an area of your life and neither is more important than the other. Which makes sense to me as far as having a harmonious life. We never want to stress one over the other, love over work, work over love. If someone is solely focused on love, finding "the one" or their partner, they end up neglecting other parts of their life and putting an incredible amount of stress on one person. (just some quick thoughts). Also each sign is 30 degrees, and the sun spends about a month in each sign, the moon going through the entire zodiac in about 30 days as well, it makes sense that the houses then be 30 degrees as well. I personally find placidus ridiculous in areas closer to each of the poles, you get a house that spans 4 signs. Anywho, those are my reasons for why I stick with equal.

One thing to note about Mercury ruling your 8th house is to take a look at your relationships and those that touch your mercury. Generally I think having compatible Mercury signs/aspects in synastry is important to maintaining a good relationship, with you it's more important. Your is in Virgo in the 7th house of partnerships. 8H is important in relationships for that deep soul connection, so for you, soul searching likely happens in communication with others, perhaps in particularly those that you form committed relationships with. You can be analytical about it, searching to get to the very bottom of whatever it is. I wouldn't be surprised if relationships formed for you after a deep heart to heart conversation. You may even need these types of conversations to happen often, or more often than others, to feel a real connection with someone.

If I were you I would look at my synastries with people with a focus on Mercury, how they aspect yours, the signs, etc.

I can come back tomorrow with more. I'm just really tired right now.

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posted June 04, 2014 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Your is in Virgo in the 7th house of partnerships. 8H is important in relationships for that deep soul connection, so for you, soul searching likely happens in communication with others, perhaps in particularly those that you form committed relationships with. You can be analytical about it, searching to get to the very bottom of whatever it is. I wouldn't be surprised if relationships formed for you after a deep heart to heart conversation. You may even need these types of conversations to happen often, or more often than others, to feel a real connection with someone.

If I were you I would look at my synastries with people with a focus on Mercury, how they aspect yours, the signs, etc.

I can come back tomorrow with more. I'm just really tired right now.


I'm sorry to hear about your mom. I hope it isn't serious, and she gets well soon.

Wow, you're good. Very accurate! =) Agree 100%. I have nothing to add lol. Looking forward to the rest. I owe you a reading on my other thread!

PS. Sry forgot to change chart to equal housing. I like whole signs, too for my chart

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posted June 13, 2014 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I've been in my own world lately. My mom had total knee replacement surgery, she's not healing as quickly as expected. Both her knees are severely damaged and she has other health issues as well. Anyway that's another story.

I did want to mention that Mercury (ruling 8H) being conjunct your Sun also makes 8th house issues (as well as the relationship stuff I mentioned) a strong part of your identity. This board and occult studies in general are very important to you, almost like their tied into your fiber of being. In relationships this would like further into melding the two of you together. Deep 8H soul-melding kind of stuff. "We" instead of "I". Which is also exemplified in the 7th house. It's like your identity becomes the other person's and vice versa.

A part of this is likely linked to your parents, culture, familial history. Both the Sun and Mercury squaring Saturn make me think that you may somehow fight or have fought with your parents on your views. Your dad was likely the less accepting one as I see your moon trines saturn which usually indicates a fairly good relationship with the mother.

I think the Sun and Mercury play the biggest roles on your relationships, so look for that in synastry because Mercury rules your 5H and 8H, and Sun rules your 7H, both planets are found in H7 which sort of doubles or triples everything I've said. It's like it keeps coming back to that same point. It's even more interesting because as an Aqua asc you're the opposite of a Leo in that you're likely always thinking in "we" terms.

Not sure what else to comment on here but I have a weird question, where you supposed to have twins by any chance? I can't remember how many kids you have but looking at your chart made me think of that question.

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posted June 13, 2014 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sorry, I've been in my own world lately. My mom had total knee replacement surgery, she's not healing as quickly as expected. Both her knees are severely damaged and she has other health issues as well. Anyway that's another story.

I did want to mention that Mercury (ruling 8H) being conjunct your Sun also makes 8th house issues (as well as the relationship stuff I mentioned) a strong part of your identity. This board and occult studies in general are very important to you, almost like their tied into your fiber of being. In relationships this would like further into melding the two of you together. Deep 8H soul-melding kind of stuff. "We" instead of "I". Which is also exemplified in the 7th house. It's like your identity becomes the other person's and vice versa.

A part of this is likely linked to your parents, culture, familial history. Both the Sun and Mercury squaring Saturn make me think that you may somehow fight or have fought with your parents on your views. Your dad was likely the less accepting one as I see your moon trines saturn which usually indicates a fairly good relationship with the mother.

I think the Sun and Mercury play the biggest roles on your relationships, so look for that in synastry because Mercury rules your 5H and 8H, and Sun rules your 7H, both planets are found in H7 which sort of doubles or triples everything I've said. It's like it keeps coming back to that same point. It's even more interesting because as an Aqua asc you're the opposite of a Leo in that you're likely always thinking in "we" terms.

Not sure what else to comment on here but I have a weird question, where you supposed to have twins by any chance? I can't remember how many kids you have but looking at your chart made me think of that question.


Thank you very much, littlecloud. This is the second most useful reading I have had on this board, haha. Very accurate and to the point. The first one was a playing cards reading from someone that stopped coming here..HarleyRose? Something like that! But all she wrote has passed, and I believe it will cont. happening just as she saw it .

But yes, I know what you mean about my chart. I cannot stand anything in my 7th house..any planet that falls into my 7th house in a synastry chart automatically squares my Saturn (not ALL the time..not when it's close to Leo/Libra..but Saturn IS ME/SELF .. as I am Aqua Rising..but also my Sun + Mercury as you said since they are also in there bunched up, so anything squaring my Mercury especially is bad as well..then Sun not so much) and you are right about my parents and everything else, etc. I tend to treat people whose planet(s) fall into my 7th house as "business partners/friends" as oppose to romantic interests. Anything trining my "self" (Saturn - Aqua ASC) in a synastry chart is excellent for me -- I tend to really get along with people who trine or sometimes conjunct my Saturn/Uranus, too.

The twins, I'm not sure, but twins do run in my family. My father's side I have aunts that are twins (fraternal), and I guess if I meet a man who has twins in his fam. then it's a good possibility, haha. I did do some type of experiment where I "assumed" I would have twins in the future (jokingly). But -- I don't think that would be likely, haha .. the chances are slim. I hope so though

I have 2 kids boy + girl both Virgos born in August as well

Thank you very much littlecloud. I will try to find that old thread for the love reading

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posted June 13, 2014 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Mercury is in Virgo so I think you like that lol

Yes Harley Rose was pretty good, although she predicted a relationship for me in May and it didn't happen. The other things did come to pass but some where not as severe as I thought.

Your 5th House cups is in Gemini and I find that happens with women who give birth to twins, either gemini or pisces. I haven't seen enough charts so as of now it's a hunch. I saw Chiron there and thought that you were supposed to give birth to twins and either lost one and new about it or didn't know about it. Again just a hunch/theory so nothing to really stress/worry over. From your chart you seem rather analytical so I'm not too worried about you worrying

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HarleyRoses' was spot on for me..and everything happened//is still happening lol. It's cool because of the time-frames she gave me. They are in accordance with what all the psychics have been seeing for me - along with the supposed 3rd pregnancy soon.

I will def. start using equal and/or whole signs are oppose to placidus now. Even with equal, my Venus still falls in the 8th house.

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posted June 13, 2014 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't even think about anyone conjuncting your sun/mercury or for planets falling into your 7th, just that connections like that would have a big impact.

Interesting that you say you don't like it. I actually don't like conjunctions in synastry. They feel too familial especially moon conjunct sun for some reason...they feel like a sibling or like we're too much alike. A trine however works well for me.

As for the third pregnancy maybe that one will be twins...I forgot how to follow the order of children. I need to work on predictions more.

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posted June 14, 2014 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I didn't even think about anyone conjuncting your sun/mercury or for planets falling into your 7th, just that connections like that would have a big impact.

Interesting that you say you don't like it. I actually don't like conjunctions in synastry. They feel too familial especially moon conjunct sun for some reason...they feel like a sibling or like we're too much alike. A trine however works well for me.

As for the third pregnancy maybe that one will be twins...I forgot how to follow the order of children. I need to work on predictions more.


Yes, it's weird .. I like it as friendship only, not romance/love. I do not like any planets falling in my 7th house when it comes to romantic interests because I am not attracted to them, or we usually do not get along as more than friends. Not sure why..but I call that my business-only house haha (or friendship only)

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