posted July 10, 2014 11:58 PM            

Reply and let me know if you are interested so we can get started. Reading synastry charts are one of my favorite things to do (how very Libra of me!).

posted July 11, 2014 12:06 AM            

PLATONIC relationship between me and my friend I haven't seen in 2 years (but talked to online).. she is outside and I am inside.

posted July 11, 2014 12:45 AM            

Her
Moon in Leo, no afflictions from what I can see here -- a lot more open and sunny disposition, peculiar placement for the Moon so not attuned to the finer emotions here, in 9th house so similar emotional ambitions at least.

Venus in Gemini in 7th house, Venus is peregrine in Gemini; better in a Cancer, Pisces, Taurus, or Libra. In it's home planet so intellectualizes the thought of ROMANCE unlike you, more fickle and more adventurous combined with the ASC Sagittarius and Moon in Leo.
It's retrograde so a lot of issues come with the expression of her romance and her romantic needs.
She is more blunt than you.
Her drive is Mars in Gemini, more of a nervous energy, more erratic, conjunct DC and Mercury so attracts partnerships of those who are highly intelligent and argumentative -- greatly simulates her curious Venus in Gemini. Not such a passionate lover, not much of a ideal body type she has here -- prefers one that just shows high mental intelligence.
5th house ruler in 6th house, self-sacrificing in romance and servicing, romance seems to be more mechanical for her, no for the spirit of itself. Has a hard time understanding that.

Synastry

Your Moon-Chiron is unaspected, so this is pure energy, doesn't really need to aspected so you actually don't feel pained and stunted in this relationship.
Sun on the Chiron and North node, hmm interesting -- healing processes related to the ego and identity, especially to you, and it shows that you will be an important figure in her life and will activate her to change especially for her Venus rx and you will feel in control of her destiny. Sun-Chiron while intense, feels often soulmate, but leads to broken love often more than not.
Sun opposite Saturn, seems authoritative to you, disciplines your drive especially since your Sun is in Libra and that is Saturn's strength and she has a "bad" Saturn it could be in detrimental ways and you try to challenge this, or you make her channel her inner "Saturn in Libra" in ways so she feels more mature.
Venus-NN square Moon, (are you both females? depending on what about to say might change) If both female, Venus afflicting another woman's Moon shows competition in a way and her emotional intelligence distasteful to your romantic needs (could apply to anyone here).
Often restricting on your growth and spiritual development, not a good thing you want to change it but you can't -- have to get use to this aspect.
Jupiter sq Moon so you force her heart to feel better and to care more about her needs, she will feel very much annoyed!

Your Mars falls on her 8th house I noticed, since she doesn't have much Scorpionic energies or Plutonian or even outer planet this can make her creeped out at you, intensely dislike or intensely attracted.

Your Mars trine her Pluto, so you feel you're more activated in this relationship -- the more active one, are you not?
Your Saturn sq Venus-Mercury really restricts her fun and makes her feel pressured, annoyed, and even slowed down in the mental process which is important to her. This is also a "glue" in relationships and can prove her to feel more bored.

I notice you have Sun sq Neptune so tend to confuse idealizations with real goals, perhaps would fit with this relationship?

posted July 11, 2014 12:48 AM            

Your Sun sq Jupiter, her morals feel challenged by yours or perhaps your life experiences do not fit with her religious/moralistic views. It activates your Jupiter-Venus which causes you to be selfishly indulgent.

posted July 11, 2014 01:01 AM            

Moon is trine Moon. Her Moon falls into your 8th which means that you two likely have a profound emotional connection. You explore her emotional depths. She will feel more emotionally vulnerable around you and at ease with revealing things from the past or her deeper feelings.

Her Neptune is directly on your ASC and opposite your Sun. This definitely contributes to the distance between you two - how things seem to keep you apart when you want to come together. She may be a mysterious person. You may not always understand her course of action. Plans could be delayed or somehow interrupted. Flight tickets to see one another could be lost or mixed up; or the delays could come last minute, for example [in terms of long distance travel, since I don't know how far geographically you two are apart. But same can be said for short term travel - strange things can keep you apart]. Unrealistic expectations can come up on Neptune. You, the Sun, wants more of a concrete relationship yet she always feels just out of reach. She might have a more mystic/Piscean affect on your sense of self. The friendship feels fated. She inspires dreamier feelings in you - so you have the sense that the friendship was 'meant to be' or 'in the cards' and it's hard to let it go even though it has issues with being concrete. Sometimes, she may not always be truthful with you which can both appease and bother you.

I saw also that her Neptune is square your 3H Saturn. This may be challenging for you, because this aspect in your synastry shows she is trying to help you release some of your rigid thinking patterns and open up to your subconscious, your unconscious insecurities, so you can release your insecurities and ascend mentally. You will naturally hesitate to absorb her wisdom or advice, since Neptune can seem unreliable or sketchy to practical Saturn. However, her presence is going to have this effect on you no matter how hard you try to fight it. 'Transformative talks' sum up a big part of this friendship.

Her Uranus quincunx your Mars might challenge the way you go about doing things, especially in terms of day to day routine. Maybe she suddenly appears or comes to you with a sudden problem and it is disruptive? Unexpected visits? This is a rather tricky aspect to interpret so forgive me if it is wrong. I am new to interpreting quincunx since I've realized the growing importance of it. You could possibly get unexpected arguments about lifestyle choice from this, too.

Her Venus almost directly conjuncts your saturn in the 3rd. It is entirely possible that she tries to lighten your style of communication and brighten your perspective, which may seem rather dour to her at times. Saturn is karmic glue, so don't expect this friendship to fade quickly, any time soon… even with difficulties. It is likely that she cheers you on in what you do. You will try to support her with concrete spoken and/or written advice. Serious conversation may be a hallmark of the relationship. Sometimes, it may secretly get her down, but she has a lot to learn from you and appreciates your wisdom in the end. You like to help her in practical ways. You probably know the best kinds of gifts to get her that are realistic and useful without indulging her too much.

With her Sun on your Saturn, again, she is attempting to brighten your outlook and your thinking. A light in the darkness, so to speak, when it comes to your insecurities about the way you communicate and relate to others in your immediate environment. I can already see this is a serious friendship with intense, long-lasting roots. Sometimes, somberness can overwhelm the relationship, so make sure to try to set a lighter mood in the appropriate circumstance if possible. I can see that the distance will not destroy your intense ties. It may even make it stronger, because you two tackle concrete problems together efficiently and don't let physical distance dictate your closeness. She will grow and mature from her experiences with you as a friend. Out of curiosity, are you much older than she is?

Sun is square Sun, so you may find a clash of the egos. You don't always come from the same place when it comes to how you carry yourselves and how you express yourselves. You show each other different ways to express the ego when interacting.

Her Jupiter in Aquarius opposes your Mercury in Leo. Her Jupiter is in your 1st house. You may find that either one of you fights for dominance in a conversation. Both of these signs are very proud! Both usually think they are correct. Interrupting each other due to exciting, stimulating conversation is possible. Her perspective may seem to esoteric or bizarre to you at times. Sometimes, she may take the conversation in a challenging direction that your playful, fiery Mercury doesn't appreciate due to its strange topics. Try not to fight for dominance when you speak to them, since each of you can hold your own opinions without threatening the other. You need to see that both of you are right in your own regard.

Her Jupiter also squares your Moon. This could mean that she may overstep boundaries in trying to emotionally relate to you, which could be the cause of the alienation between you two, if there is any.

SUMMARY: Overall, I see this as a highly intellectual, wisdom-based friendship. It is not a happy-go-lucky friendship but the meeting of two minds brilliant in their own ways - one very futuristic and dissolving of boundaries [likely your friend] and the other intensely thoughtful, wise beyond its years [likely you]. Her stellium of planets in your 3rd, 2/3 of them touching your Saturn, along with Merc-Jupiter and Neptune-Saturn contacts all indicate this. Her Moon in your 8th is a strong indicator that you are supportive to her moods and expression on heavier topics with deeply emotional written or spoken advice [your Moon in the 3rd touching hers in your 8th].

posted July 11, 2014 01:08 AM            

Yes, it's true. And no I am not older than her, I am just a older spirit and more matured and level-headed than she.

Yes there is a odd distance for a while, she makes me feel alienated and we do argue a lot but I noticed it was hard for us to let go. I'm sure she still thinks of me to this day.

posted July 11, 2014 01:09 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Let me see individual charts:
[b]You
Moon conjunct Chiron in Virgo in the 9th house,
naturally reserved demeanor emotionally, intellectualizes emotions so you can see things rationally, a somewhat nervous character, discriminatory of other's before getting to be involved with them emotionally, very vulnerable wounds especially from mother and exposure to difficult subjects at an early age is the cause for this reluctance for intimacy.
with Venus in Scorpio 11th house conjunct Jupiter and North node,
while your emotional and comforting needs to feel secure in a relationship can easily blend in with each other, the deep rooted pain makes you scared of intimacy while longing for that in your relationships kind of puts you in a dead-end where you cannot balance the energies together. You have a fervor for romance and you can be indulgent, since Moon is in Virgo in ways that relate to your health (like weight problems) I would presume.
It shows very high moraled character, hence where the discriminatory fits just right in -- to others it may appear overzealous but its for the better. You prefer justice over vengeance, you easily find very dark things distasteful and offensive to a higher-minded person such as yourself.
With Venus-NN it shows difficulties in romance because of you not wanting to go and remaining on your Moon-Chiron, however you must heal others with your wounds will in turn heal you through servicing them by teaching them things, this will make your love life better simultaneously because you will be less anxious.
Mars in Cancer 8th house, docile with their passions (I don't know what aspects the Marsian Cancer makes specifically so feel free to correct me if this is not right) insecure in vigor and drive, tends to indulge and be lazy (Venus-Jupiter) which leads to health problem, luckily your Moon in Virgo wants to improve and can improve which can be to a perfectionist, or obsessive point.
Anger better vented out in domestic situations with parents and mother especially, aggression towards her (?) or women.
In 8th house, excellent sex drive but tends to be the more submissive partner or the one to service your partner a lot more than they do to you.

Her
Moon in Leo, no afflictions from what I can see here -- a lot more open and sunny disposition, peculiar placement for the Moon so not attuned to the finer emotions here, in 9th house so similar emotional ambitions at least.

Venus in Gemini in 7th house, Venus is peregrine in Gemini; better in a Cancer, Pisces, Taurus, or Libra. In it's home planet so intellectualizes the thought of ROMANCE unlike you, more fickle and more adventurous combined with the ASC Sagittarius and Moon in Leo.
It's retrograde so a lot of issues come with the expression of her romance and her romantic needs.
She is more blunt than you.
Her drive is Mars in Gemini, more of a nervous energy, more erratic, conjunct DC and Mercury so attracts partnerships of those who are highly intelligent and argumentative -- greatly simulates her curious Venus in Gemini. Not such a passionate lover, not much of a ideal body type she has here -- prefers one that just shows high mental intelligence.
5th house ruler in 6th house, self-sacrificing in romance and servicing, romance seems to be more mechanical for her, no for the spirit of itself. Has a hard time understanding that.

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Thanks for the first half! I have not used this method before of analyzing the individual first before doing a synastry. This is a good idea and I will try this next time.

Me: I agree with many things that you said. Very accurate. My Virgo Moon con. Chiron is very nervous, easily upset and sensitive to the environment. I feel that this, combined with Moon-Neptune, makes me naturally psychic [maybe 12H Pluto adds to this too]. I have had weight issues, but more with anorexia than anything else and distorted view of my appearance leading to ED. Goes very much with restricting of Virgo and Moon-Uranus.

Only things that do not fit is me being docile in my passions and a submissive lover. I am a dominant lover and very aggressive and assertive in the chase. I mainly contribute this to Mars-Pluto trine and the 8H placement. I appreciate the insights you gave on how to heal. I feel I was born a teacher from the Chiron-Moon and I've realized that I really need to stop being a victim to my psyche or I will always be miserable in love. You were dead-on with me fluctuating between intensely passionate desire for love and fear of intimacy.

posted July 11, 2014 01:14 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I don't know who wrote more, me or you?

Yes, it's true. And no I am not older than her, I am just a older spirit and more matured and level-headed than she.

Yes there is a odd distance for a while, she makes me feel alienated and we do argue a lot but I noticed it was hard for us to let go. I'm sure she still thinks of me to this day.

What do you think about these aspects?
her PSYCHE is on my NN-VERTEX
Her VERTEX on my CERES

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I can definitely tell you are an intellectual, wiser and older soul, KQ. We're both 3H Saturns, so who knows who wrote more? It's anyone's game at this point! I can see the alienation with Neptune and her Jupiter in Aqua touching your personal planets. She has some issues with boundaries and setting proper limits.

With her Psyche on your NN-Vertex, you'll likely find that she challenges your sense of self. She may push you to go toward independence vs. being inclined toward romantic partnership because this config falls in H7. She may make you feel like you have to reevaluate what you are doing with your life, the potential of your fate, where you are going and how you can relate to others. Pysche is Piscean and dissolves. Seems like there are many Piscean themes here!

posted July 11, 2014 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Synastry

Your Moon-Chiron is unaspected, so this is pure energy, doesn't really need to aspected so you actually don't feel pained and stunted in this relationship.
Sun on the Chiron and North node, hmm interesting -- healing processes related to the ego and identity, especially to you, and it shows that you will be an important figure in her life and will activate her to change especially for her Venus rx and you will feel in control of her destiny. Sun-Chiron while intense, feels often soulmate, but leads to broken love often more than not.
Sun opposite Saturn, seems authoritative to you, disciplines your drive especially since your Sun is in Libra and that is Saturn's strength and she has a "bad" Saturn it could be in detrimental ways and you try to challenge this, or you make her channel her inner "Saturn in Libra" in ways so she feels more mature.
Venus-NN square Moon, (are you both females? depending on what about to say might change) If both female, Venus afflicting another woman's Moon shows competition in a way and her emotional intelligence distasteful to your romantic needs (could apply to anyone here).
Often restricting on your growth and spiritual development, not a good thing you want to change it but you can't -- have to get use to this aspect.
Jupiter sq Moon so you force her heart to feel better and to care more about her needs, she will feel very much annoyed!

Your Mars falls on her 8th house I noticed, since she doesn't have much Scorpionic energies or Plutonian or even outer planet this can make her creeped out at you, intensely dislike or intensely attracted.

Your Mars trine her Pluto, so you feel you're more activated in this relationship -- the more active one, are you not?
Your Saturn sq Venus-Mercury really restricts her fun and makes her feel pressured, annoyed, and even slowed down in the mental process which is important to her. This is also a "glue" in relationships and can prove her to feel more bored.

I notice you have Sun sq Neptune so tend to confuse idealizations with real goals, perhaps would fit with this relationship?

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I did not see her Venus square my Saturn. The orb for Venus-Saturn would be too wide, as I noticed before [almost 11 degrees I think?]. However, I DO really feel the Merc-Saturn and Mars-Saturn square. We are both female. I feel kind of hopeless in the current state... like I am wasting my time, being lame and too into it. I am definitely the more dominant partner as you said, indicated by my Mars trine her Pluto.

I feel really bad about the synastry. My bigger concern was my Venus-NN-Jupiter falling in her 12th. I hate to think I am being creepy, especially with my Mars in her 8th. Her Moon falls into my 8th, too, on the flip side. Maybe the fact that she has Pluto-ASC, Pluto-Merc and Pluto-Mars will make this easier? I just don't know. It's really hard for me to tell. Overall, from the start I feel like there have definitely been mentoring/Saturnine themes as you mentioned. Much of what you wrote was spot-on. So I am afraid that it really would be a mediocre relationship.

posted July 11, 2014 01:39 AM            

You see, that's what I missed and that's my own fault. She has Plutonian themes so I don't sense her being too revolted, but with the high Gemini energy especially in the sex/romance planets there is a feeling of that it's too overwhelming and taxing on her character even though she appreciates it.

I know, it sucks. That's why synastry is really helpful but it doesn't tell you -all- of the relationship. Composite helps a lot too. You have to really look in your chart and give a detailed response as to why you don't feel comfortable with water signs. Its probably that Moon-Chrion, feeling alienated by too much intimacy yet longing for it. Moon is the most important in romances because it involves emotions and expression of it, even more than Venus imo.

Thank you for answering my questions by the way, it was interesting to see my chart being examined. It's not so usual to see such a strong fervor for reading charts as you have. You have a good potential.

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posted July 11, 2014 02:02 AM            

Yes, I've always been an old soul type since early childhood! Typical to our placement, I had many issues with K-12 and barely graduated because school depressed me so intensely. I always felt alienated and like an outsider. I never liked the shallowness of our lessons either.

You're spot on about needing intimacy yet feeling overwhelmed by it with Moon-Chiron. Honestly I am very troubled romantically and emotionally... I am very good professionally and predict much success in writing and politics for myself but one on one relations are a whole other story. I want to go to foreign countries and nurture women and children there but forget about a normal romantic life. It is very disillusioning to me since I feel so capable of nurturing others but not myself, and not romantic partnerships either...I think it's essential for me not to give up hope. I just don't know a way out of this Chironic and Scorpionic trap.

posted July 11, 2014 02:23 AM            

So, here is the composite chart [Midpoint method]. I am at a loss since it seems to have its own difficulties also... I wish it could be as easy as me saying, Yes, we can just remain as friends and I am OK with that. However, there's just this /sense/ pulling at me that there will be an affection there beyond friendship, and it's going to be hard for me to fight that when it seems so...natural? Like I want to take care of this person and try to emotionally connect with them, since this person told me that she wants this kind of relationship too. I was surprised when she told me how emotionally connected and close she wanted to be with someone when she has Gemini for her sexual planets. Every experience I've ever had with this config, the person has detested being 'smothered' and one guy even wanted a sex-only relationship and couldn't get off easily b/c of anxiety [lol]. I don't know what to make of it.

posted July 11, 2014 02:41 AM            

Aww I have problems with it right now.. -_- and I feel alienated too, I hate it! And yes, very shallow. Maybe going to another country would help me. I would love to learn another language but born with a tongue defect (noticeable but not taxing on my health) that its larger for my mouth.. lol.. gross

btw I have Moon opposite Chiron, Chiron-Psyche and Chiron-Kaali, I feel the pain!

posted July 11, 2014 03:04 AM            

She is Mercury conjunct Sun, meaning she is the light and power of the relationship.

Mercury sq Pluto so she proves to be more controlling in passive-aggressive ways,
Jupiter sq Saturn so you prove to be the more authoritative serious one.
and the main linker and glue to the relationship.

Venus-Moon is beautiful, feminine energies at harmony and working together, I like this!
sq Pluto so the passions can turn destructive!

I can go on more, what do you think?

posted July 11, 2014 10:18 AM            

What are you currently doing with your education? I feel like university has been much easier for me because there is a focus on higher thinking and digging deeper when it comes to most of my lessons. Saturn in H3 can be quite a burden, I empathize…I am an only child and had a speech impediment until age 7 or so. I am sorry to hear about the defect. I wasn't aware you had so much Chiron in your natal. That is always difficult and I feel for you but at least we can understand each other.

Thank you for the initial composite reading! It is very accurate to me. I definitely agree that I am going to take the role of 1H Jupiter. I have a very forceful personality so I can see this being true. Mercry sq. Pluto is also fitting for her because her Pluto conjuncts her ASC from the 12H side and I have the hint that she would try to be more controlling in certain ways due to insecurities. However, I wouldn't resent her for this since I understand the difficulties of not being controlling. Oh boy, that Saturn in 3H is definitely all me. And I can see it making me more authoritative/commanding vs. 'controlling' but I guess I have to work on not being too dry... The Moon-Venus tight conjunction sextile Mars is definitely a great plus.

posted July 11, 2014 10:24 AM            

I'll review them, too.

Well the speech impediment isn't THAT bad.. lol.. but I have been teased for it before, yes. Especially by intolerant people.

Chiron is very difficult. But I have learned to channel it into healing.. for now at least. It could be because Jupiter conjuncts my DC and my Sun at the moment.

IC is the home and comfort zone, major and primal feeling in the relationship, Saturn conjunct it is like you two will feel at home with each other, difficulties but very secure.

posted July 11, 2014 10:49 AM            

What you said about Saturn on IC makes sense to me now. I guess my biggest fear is restricting her and holding her back. Seems like our composite is pretty telling and we do have some good potential but I really don't want to be her wet blanket that spoils the fun. What is weird is that I can actually be really playful and humorous, I guess because of the Sagittarius? So I hope that trumps the less positive aspects I bring to the synastry and composite. Her Saturn falls in my 4th house in synastry, too. I have the overwhelming feeling that this may be a serious connection for me, romantic or not.

posted July 11, 2014 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
It is! Anyways, I think synastry/composite is the dormant energy and is really important blue print and combined with Tarot you really know where your relationship is.

Yeah, she said he was damaged mentally and psychologically -- and that he had perversions. When will you have the cards? (sorry for bugging you but I'm really anxious over this)

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I am sorry to hear that my intuitions were right...I had the strong sense that she said something offensive to you that you would lash out against on reflex. You're not bugging me, don't worry. I'm going to look for my cards today if I got them back. I had to ship a lot of stuff from where I was living before. Hopefully they're with my things; if not, I will have to buy new this week unfortunately.

posted July 11, 2014 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I am sorry to hear that my intuitions were right...I had the strong sense that she said something offensive to you that you would lash out against on reflex. You're not bugging me, don't worry. I'm going to look for my cards today if I got them back. I had to ship a lot of stuff from where I was living before. Hopefully they're with my things; if not, I will have to buy new this week unfortunately.

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I didn't lash out, but I am definitely here. I'm trying to keep it rational-headed and cool because I like her and she is usually very accurate and not critical which is a strong point. She however did 3 things very wrong about other things and I wonder if it is the same too. Heck, I'm not right all the time either...

posted July 11, 2014 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I didn't lash out, but I am definitely here. I'm trying to keep it rational-headed and cool because I like her and she is usually very accurate and not critical which is a strong point. She however did 3 things very wrong about other things and I wonder if it is the same too. Heck, I'm not right all the time either...

Thank you I owe you a Tarot reading too lol (and astro keen too)

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posted July 11, 2014 11:27 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Hey KQ, just wanted to let you know I found my cards! That is good news. I am happy. I think I am too tired to read tonight though... was a very stressful, weird day.

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Good.