posted July 29, 2014 12:46 PM            

So, here's the guy who's been a constant crush of mine for the last - oh, 8 years? Yeah. SMH at myself.

His tob is approximated because he likes to be uncooperative with me. Said it was in the morning, and I thought the house placements suited him in particular. I can upload a pic of him if you think that might help determine his Ascendant.

Anyways, here are the synastry and composite. Go crazy!

And leave me your questions, of course!

posted July 29, 2014 03:07 PM            

are you in the outer circle?
Sorry, short term memory here. lol

posted July 29, 2014 03:09 PM            

Oh yeah, of course also Venus-Mars-Pluto I think.

Is your Venus on his Mars/Pluto-mp, squaring his Mars and Pluto? Can you say what the orbs are?

posted July 29, 2014 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Is your Venus on his Mars/Pluto-mp, squaring his Mars and Pluto? Can you say what the orbs are?

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posted July 29, 2014 04:14 PM            

You are (erotically) drawn to relationships that might be potentially painful due to experiencing a lack of emotional caring through your partner, despite a fiery hot sexual attraction; and that pain might be caused by their elusiveness or unavailability in some way (as if they exhibit extreme charisma and creativity, which draws you like the moth to flame, but they stay a little out of reach or if they don´t, you do).
Another reason for some pain there might be the fact that either you do not see them for how they really are, spiritualize or romanticise them, or there is a split between your compassionate spiritual side with a tendency to love more universally than personally, and on the other hand these very strong physical needs, as shown by Mars in Aries as ruler of 5th house. Of course it also means that you can be extremely creative.

Also, just as much as Chiron can hurt and cause pain, it is also the key to the ultimate healing-experience. you might be very vulnerable when you really open up to a partner and you can feel endlessly deeply (Neptune as ruler of 4th house of the soul in your ASC).

There is a lot of charisma with Mars-Neptune, but do you always know what you really want? And if you get it(or him), will it still be what you want?

Anyway, anyone who ties into that T-square of yours, will probably trigger that potential, and should he have strong aspects to your Mars will draw you like a moth to flame, as I said.

I will have a look later if he does.

Probably even more strongly affecting your personality than Neptune, might be Saturn, ruler of 1st house, and uranus on your ASC in Capricorn.

Well this constellation to me represents the "Should I stay or should I go?" theme. On the positive side you can be innovative AND practical at the same time. The shadow of this might be a feeling like being torn between wanting to commit to something or someone (well you would need to stay true to yourself with it on the ASC - no compromise in that) and on the other hand an urge for freedom and enough space to move and think for your own. No tendency for codepency that is for sure.

And the Aquarius-Moon ties into this theme as well. ACtually I hae the same thing happening in my chart. Aqua Moon in 2nd house. Another constellation showing being a bit torn between wanting to be your own person and belonging to something or someone.

Like in my case Moon rules your 8th house, so your 8th house ruler in your 2nd house, Venus/Pluto-resonance but coupled with uranus (because in Aquarius). Yeah talk about deep passionate involvement and entanglement, but doing so in the typical Uranian way. lol

Actually like me you have another Venus-Pluto-scenario happen in your chart.
Venus square Pluto, and Venus in 8th house. Wow. Venus/Pluto all through your chart.
Once we decide we love (could take a while with Saturn and Uranus), we can love forever, right?
Tell me how easy is it for you to let go, especially if you are feeling a certain emotional attachment?

posted July 29, 2014 04:23 PM            

Actually what is for sure is that he hsa Mars-Pluto in his chart and you have Venus-Pluto. That is key-to-lock. A basic Venus-mars-similiarity that works through the intensity and passion of Pluto. Wow, deep and intense.

if his ASC is the right one, Pluto, as ruler of DESC, is conjunct DESC. So that is Venus-Pluto again. And here he encounters Pluto through his relationships. Either because he IS Plutonic, or he encounters Pluto through others, if he lives it in projection.

There is of course a strong pull between you, with all your Venus-Pluto, and him having Pluto on the DESC. Who is attracted to whom depends a little if he experiences his Pluto-dESC as attraction or lives it in projection. (well in the worst case Pluto-DESC could encounter stalkers, and that is not the best scenario. lol)

However in most cases I would say it shows that the guy is drawn to Pluto in his relationship (if the angles are right), and in this case he should be extremely drawn to you, too.

Is he?

But keep in mind Venus/Pluto is Heathcliff/Cathy rather than Norma and Norman Normal with their 1,5 children as average.

I mean Taylor and Burton had it, Johnny Cash and June Carter did, too, even Paul Newman and his wife had it (though they eventually became a lasting couple, there were quite some upheaval going on before).

Venus/Pluto and Mars/Pluto is not for the faint at heart and ESPECIALLY not should it come up in the natals (as relationship-blueprint, through being connected to the succedent houses or 7th house) AND either in the synastry or/and composite, and should they even INTERCONNECT, you better duck for cover.
And if you ar enot carved out for heaven AND hell, you better run, and you should run fast, but then it`s already too late for that, right?

posted July 29, 2014 04:34 PM            

Intense, compelling (and compulsive), powerful passionate of Venus-Mars-Pluto, interlaced with the otherworldly, mystical, and also sometimes evasive, not-of-this-world Uranus-Neptune.

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Well the orbs to his Venus are actually too wide to be part of this, but since it is a great major pattern, I drew it in nevertheless.

posted July 29, 2014 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
It is, by 2º. My Venus is at 15º19' and his Mars/Pluto-MP is at 17º31'

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Wow, and he is not all over you? HOw not?

He should be having difficulties to even be around you fighting the constant urge to tear off your clothest and push you up against a wall.... okay too many of these novels in my youth

only reason why not could be that his 5th house ruler is possibly Mercury in detached Aquarius, VERY Suspicious of the passionate undercurent that is flowing between you and pulling you together like magnets.

Mercury in Aquarius might not be too fond of feeling like being on the brink of losing control any moment around you. Also his Mercury seems unaspected, right?

trine the Lilith in his 5th house which is part of the attraction-scenario. And Lilith is scary (well I read for men it can be the woman who is easily able to "push them right over the edge"), and Mercury here might try to rationalize this sort of chemistry.

The sextile to your Mars might be very helpful, sextiles between two 5th house rulers seems nice and playful, you can have fun together.

however your Pluto squares his Mercury as well, and maybe he feels like you are sometimes overwhelming him, his feelings and his rational side, and can an Aquarius really deal with it?
And then again his mercury is triggering your Moon/Venus-mp; there is a lot of affection generated in you. Since Mercury is his 5th house ruler, and Moon/Venus is the summarized feminity, you could actually be the ideal woman to him, at least erotically, if he let down his guard enough to really feel it.

posted July 29, 2014 05:06 PM            

Yes, I am unbelievably attracted to unavailable men. I've had available men approach me and I just can never work up an attraction to them. I want guys who have this aloof, out-of-your-league aura. It is such a nuisance to be this way!!!

I'm pretty good at seeing people for who they are (or at least eventually), but I am much more prone to love universally than personally. I empathize, but I'm not good at comforting people. That's just not for me. It makes me feel all awkward and out of place. I am pretty creative as well. Or at least I was more when I was younger and didn't have to focus so much on career/money.

I feel very vulnerable opening to anyone and it does take me either a long time or a leap of faith. And yes, I feel endlessly deeply, every word and every action of those important to me.

I've been told I'm charismatic and easy to like. I don't find myself all that likeable; I think I'm just polite and kind, and there's nothing more to it. I do have a hard time deciphering what I want. And when I have it, it's still a bit of a struggle to know if I'm happy with it.

OMG, you got my Capricorn-Uranus-Ascendant complex down pat. It works like this, if I don't feel tied down or demanded, I am happy to commit fully to any relationship. If I feel someone is too dependent on me, however - that's when you see me running for the hills.

I have actually worked out a way to deal with my Uranian deep passionate involvement and entanglement: I advocate for basic human rights and study them and their many facets. It certainly makes my Aqua Moon feel emotionally fulfilled.

posted July 29, 2014 05:18 PM            

He is plutonic. Trust me on this one. This boy is so plutonic in his relationships, it's crazy! I've seen him with his past girlfriends - if he's not calling the shots, he freaks and ends everything. He's also very intense with the way he relates to people in general.

He seems to be drawn to me, yes. I wouldn't know this from the way he talks and behaves around me, but I've been told by reliable people that he talks a lot about me and how I'm "going to be someone one day". He got closer to my cousin after he met me - before, they were just acquaintances, now my uncle and aunt know him and that he's "fond of me", whatever that means.

My Venus in 8th CRAVES that kind of Heathcliff/Cathy passion. It is such a silly thing, that Venus!

posted July 29, 2014 05:24 PM            

you are so much like me, it is unbelievable.
Everything you wrote about yourself, I could have written about me, too.

But then again we have some astro-things in common. The Aqua Moon in 2nd as ruler of 8th. Venus-Pluto-square (though my Venus is in Capricorn).

And well my 5th house ruler is actually venus in Capricorn.

But my Neptune on ASC is just like yours, and add to that it s conjunct my Mars, and Mars is part of a Hammer-formation with Chiron in Aries and Vertex in Cancer in 8th house.

So similiar themes, though expressed a little differently astrologically.

And yes, once someone is in my heart, they are in it forever, even if we may never talk again, I will simply go on loving them, though that kind of love is of course prone to change and transform, it is Plutonic after all.

posted July 29, 2014 05:30 PM            

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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how a soulconsuming heartscorching passion looks like.

Intense, compelling (and compulsive), powerful passionate of Venus-Mars-Pluto, interlaced with the otherworldly, mystical, and also sometimes evasive, not-of-this-world Uranus-Neptune.

Well the orbs to his Venus are actually too wide to be part of this, but since it is a great major pattern, I drew it in nevertheless.

I wonder if maybe he feels more detached int hat very attached pattern, like if the greater orbs to his Venus give him more of a possibility to withdraw if things get too intense. Or is his Venus drawn in through the other valid aspects?

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Well, we just Skyped yesterday. We hadn't seen each other in 2 years, even though we text every month or so. I swear, it was a bit too much to look straight at him. He didn't help matters by having no shirt on and a clean-shaved face with his hair groomed the way it used to be. I mean, I mentioned ONCE - years ago! - I don't like beard and he shaved off the beard he was sporting? I was like... DROOLING. I was blushing and looking everywhere else throughout the 30 minutes we chatted.

He acts very detached towards me, tbh. The way people tell me he speaks of me would make you think he was all warm smiles, nice compliments and sweet to me. Nope. He either acts serious (when we talk work) or he sports this hard-edged smirk that drives me insane. Won't tell to my face that he cares for me unless I'm upset or annoyed at him.

posted July 29, 2014 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wow, and he is not all over you? HOw not?

He should be having difficulties to even be around you fighting the constant urge to tear off your clothest and push you up against a wall.... okay too many of these novels in my youth

only reason why not could be that his 5th house ruler is possibly Mercury in detached Aquarius, VERY Suspicious of the passionate undercurent that is flowing between you and pulling you together like magnets.

Mercury in Aquarius might not be too fond of feeling like being on the brink of losing control any moment around you. Also his Mercury seems unaspected, right?

trine the Lilith in his 5th house which is part of the attraction-scenario. And Lilith is scary (well I read for men it can be the woman who is easily able to "push them right over the edge"), and Mercury here might try to rationalize this sort of chemistry.

The sextile to your Mars might be very helpful, sextiles between two 5th house rulers seems nice and playful, you can have fun together.

however your Pluto squares his Mercury as well, and maybe he feels like you are sometimes overwhelming him, his feelings and his rational side, and can an Aquarius really deal with it?
And then again his mercury is triggering your Moon/Venus-mp; there is a lot of affection generated in you. Since Mercury is his 5th house ruler, and Moon/Venus is the summarized feminity, you could actually be the ideal woman to him, at least erotically, if he let down his guard enough to really feel it.

Of course all that is only true if Mercury really rules his 5th hosue.

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There's an eletrical tension between us.

I'm pretty sure if I were anyone else, he'd be all over me. He just has this really deep-seated respect for me and an uncanny wish to not hurt me. I told him some years ago I had a crush on him and his exact words were, "You're my friend, I don't want to hurt you." He never truly said he didn't want me, just that there would be no "us" because of that.

He saw me crying once and was like, "Who did this? Tell me his name and I'll beat him to a pulp." Don't know why that makes me all tingly inside, when I don't condone violence of any kind.

His Mercury has only wide aspects, yes.

Oh, okay. I do have evidence that I overwhelm the way he thinks, because I will do things one way, a certain way that he expects no one to act like. This has happened in the past.

posted July 29, 2014 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes. Beneath all the fun and games and misty vagueness and improbabilities, what does P feel about me. I mean the dirty gritty truthful core of it. (speaking of Here and Now of course).

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Base: 5 Clubs
Spread: 7 diamonds - 8 clubs - Jack clubs

His feelings are going through a process of reevaluation and change at the moment. Nothing is certain in his head or in his heart, as everything is up in the air. Diamonds and clubs show that there's an attraction feel to his feelings, but that they're more of a social/acquaintance nature. His attraction to you has the potential to become more than it is, but as of right now, it stands as just a physical attraction one feels for a good-looking, interesting stranger. He's trying to work out and sort what he feels for you consciously. There's attraction, yes - but he barely knows you. Is it enough to take things to the next level and approach you romantically? He's not sure, but he's trying to make up his mind about it! Is he younger than you? He's trying to be sincere in his feelings and to you, but he might use flattery to persuade and make you feel good enough to let him in without him having to commit himself to any type of relationship - friendship or romantic. All in all, I would says his feelings for you right now are of sexual attraction and friendly acquaintance.

posted July 30, 2014 06:55 AM            

Yes, your reading makes much sense. Despite this intrigue (and Iam glad I am not the only one feeling that. lol), we just don`t know each other well enough to say anything.

And yes he is younger than me, how did you know that?

Well, on latest occasions he seemed puzzled about me. Like he suddenly got aware of some sort of attraction and just can`t figure out what it is about or what (or IF) to do about it.
Well he can`t DO anything about it, being unavailable.

For me I am not really used to men being attracted to me, so it`s really a weird scenario.

But at least I am not totally deluding myself and there IS some sort of intrigue/spark.

So yes, your reading seems very spot on, and it is nice to know that the intrigue I feel is not totally unrequited (even though naturally it cannot be that deep or emotional, considering the circumstances and us being almost complete strangers to each other, at least in real-life-terms.)

I thought your reading was long enough, but if you offer to make another one, I am greedy enough to take the offer.

posted July 30, 2014 09:07 AM            

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I knew he was younger because he came up as a Jack and not as a King. He'd have to be your age or older to show up as King.

Oh, he's definitely intrigued. Believe me!

I'm going to do a few readings later today and I can look into your question for sure!