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hannaramaa
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posted August 23, 2014 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wondering how much you know about Valentine and it's affects in a natal chart?

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posted August 24, 2014 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Hanna! How are you?
The asteroid Valentine is arguably the most important love asteroid (next to Amor) and is actually associated with the Lover's card in tarot. Valentine, from my own understanding and personal experience is about ultimate unconditional love. So in synastry one's Valentine conjunct another's planet/asteroid will show deep unconditional love for that particular aspect of the other. It is said Valentine conjunct Valentine or Valentine conjunct Amor is rare and a "true blessing" to a couple in a synastry chart....associated with the idea of sacrificial love and loving someone so much you would "jump in front of a bus" for them!

In the natal, Valentine's placement would color any planet it is conjunct to and that unconditional love would be seen and felt by the house it is placed in. For instance I have Valentine conjunct Jupiter in my 1st house Cancer and parallel Ceres. My valentine in my natal is expressed as showing unconditional nuturing love (mother-like love) for others. Being close to my ASC, people can see this aspect about me. Conjunct my jupiter intensifies (expands) this quality even more. Ceres asteroid is all about nuturing/ motherly love as well. Interestingly, my natal Amor is conjunct my Name Asteroid as well! Does that make sense? Below is a link you can look at for additional info and you can also do a search on the LL search engine as there is a TON of stuff on Valentine. Hope this helps
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20100502-1-009111-3.html

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posted August 24, 2014 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yay, you saw the thread! Thank you for the interp. I guess asteroid meanings are more valid in synastry than natal? I brought this up because I put in a few love asteroids into my natal chart. Of course, none of them aspect each other like the pages I looked up on the internet studied...but my Valentine in the third house of Leo (also where Juno is, but they don't aspect!) and is square my Pluto in Socrpio in the 5th house. Does this mean I think obsessive behavior is unconditional love?

I put this in personal readings so I could read for you in any way if you were to answer my question(s)... 😊

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posted August 24, 2014 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And still an excellent link once I do start looking at synastries.

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posted August 24, 2014 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Asteroids are definitely helpful in interpreting the natal chart as well as synastries, don't underestimate them in a natal. Here's the best way I have found to look at it: the planets in our chart are like nowns identifying a particular subject matter per se (venus-love, moon-emotions, mercury- thoughts/communication etc.). The asteroids can be used like verbs...to describe in more detail the subject matter. For instance venus is a genral planet of love, but can also include beauty, money, luxury etc. You can turn to asteroids to better describe an aspect of venus and get a better flavor of how it plays out in a chart, whether a natal or synastry. Example: asteroids valentine and Amor describe "true love," but say involvement of asteroid Cupido would be more of a crush/infatuation, Eros or Lust would be more sexual, Aphrodite would be sheer beauty. See how those asteroids (all associated with venus) can give you a clearer picture of what is going on? I'll give another example of my natal: I have Eros conjunct Lust conjunct my natal sun in Taurus. I also have Eros parallel my ASC. I have been told that I am very attractive (venus trine and parallel ASC exact) but with the Eros and lust in there, I have been told I have a very sexual vibe to my essence and personality. Kind of like asking a guy the difference between a woman who is pretty, one that is cute and one that is sexy! All different vibes of venus. This also works for other planets like mercury for instance. There are certain asteroids associated with mercury/neptune you can plug in to see how strong your psychic abilities are and in which areas.

Here are some love asteroids you can look up in your natal to see what they are doing..and don't forget to look at the declinations (parallels.) if you want you can plug them in your chart and post it...I'd be more than happy to take a quick look
Valentine
Amor
Cupido
Lust
Aphrodite
Eros
Black moon Lilith

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posted August 24, 2014 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another good link on Valentine: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003081.html

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posted August 24, 2014 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thx so much for offering an exchange with me- I actually have 2 questions if you wouldn't mind pulling?

1. Who was the spirit/energy that visited me last Tuesday night? Are they someone I know (was close to) and what was the purpose?

2. Why hasn't D responded to me yet? What's he thinking?

Thx so much- hope I didn't overwhelm you 😊

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posted August 24, 2014 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 24, 2014 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, you didn't! I'm just really bad about multi-tasking getting distracted You were very informative and I actually had a chart casted yesterday with those. I'll put it up in a little bit after I do your questions.

1. Who was the spirit that visited you?

3 of Swords Knight of Wands Queen of Pentacles
Base: Ace of Pentacles
Extras: Page of Cups / The High Priestess
Now, I haven't asked if you know / knew him yet so stay open minded about the interpretation! I feel this spirit is definitely earth bound since the Ace of Pentacles was at the bottom of the deck. This person still has not crossed over (Temperance flipped over while I was shuffling which confirmed a spirit indeed visited you) because they have debts to settle here. They are a kind spirit, I think.

2. Do you know them?

3 of Pentacles RX Ace o Pentacles 2 of Swords RX
No, I don't believe so. They are completely new to you!

3. What was the purpose?
9 of Pentacles RX The Chariot The High Priestess The Moon 4 of Swords RX

Have you previously doubted your ability to connect with spirits? From these cards I would say it was a sign given to you from the Universe and they were trying to show you the right direction or guide you towards an answer about something you've been deeply confused about and haven't been able to make peace with.

4. Why hasn't D responded to you yet:

7 of Swords 9 of Swords The Hierophant RX

He wants to do the right thing but right now it's easier to avoid you? I also think he's basically just thinking of the right thing to say.

5. What's he thinking?

The Empress 5 of Wands rx Ace of Wands rx

I think he wants to see you mad. Does that resonate? He thinks you are or have been very laid back about whatever your situation is, and I have a feeling he wants to see just how much work you're willing to do to get it? Kind of pushing your buttons on purpose to see how much you'll take or how bad you want it kind of thing.


Does that make sense? Let me know!

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posted August 24, 2014 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now, I notice Pluto is square Valentine, but trine Eros. That can't be a coincidence right? It's like saying I have a hard time with emotional love but not physical love.

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posted August 24, 2014 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
No, you didn't! I'm just really bad about multi-tasking getting distracted You were very informative and I actually had a chart casted yesterday with those. I'll put it up in a little bit after I do your questions.

1. Who was the spirit that visited you?

3 of Swords Knight of Wands Queen of Pentacles
Base: Ace of Pentacles
Extras: Page of Cups / The High Priestess
Now, I haven't asked if you know / knew him yet so stay open minded about the interpretation! I feel this spirit is definitely earth bound since the Ace of Pentacles was at the bottom of the deck. This person still has not crossed over (Temperance flipped over while I was shuffling which confirmed a spirit indeed visited you) because they have debts to settle here. They are a kind spirit, I think.

2. Do you know them?

3 of Pentacles RX Ace o Pentacles 2 of Swords RX
No, I don't believe so. They are completely new to you!

3. What was the purpose?
9 of Pentacles RX The Chariot The High Priestess The Moon 4 of Swords RX

Have you previously doubted your ability to connect with spirits? From these cards I would say it was a sign given to you from the Universe and they were trying to show you the right direction or guide you towards an answer about something you've been deeply confused about and haven't been able to make peace with.

4. Why hasn't D responded to you yet:

7 of Swords 9 of Swords The Hierophant RX

He wants to do the right thing but right now it's easier to avoid you? I also think he's basically just thinking of the right thing to say.

5. What's he thinking?

The Empress 5 of Wands rx Ace of Wands rx

I think he wants to see you mad. Does that resonate? He thinks you are or have been very laid back about whatever your situation is, and I have a feeling he wants to see just how much work you're willing to do to get it? Kind of pushing your buttons on purpose to see how much you'll take or how bad you want it kind of thing.


Does that make sense? Let me know!


AHHHH!!!!! You see? This is why you are one of the only one's I ask for readings!!! Again...you hit the nail on the head!
Ok, about the spirit: this makes COMPLETE sense. I started being visited by spirits in 2011 when I had my spiritual awakening. They come to me quite often. I have been told I'm very empathic and have strong psychic abilities...the thing is, my family doesn't believe me...they all think I'm nuts and bi-polar blah blah....
So consequently I have really questioned my sanity over the last few years since i respect their opinions so much. The fact that the purpose of the visitations is to confirm my abilities from the universe makes perfect sense. I just feel so alone sometimes when the people I love the most don't believe what I tell them.

About D: I seriously laughed out loud when I read this interpretation. Yep, that's him alright...pushing my buttons again. Ooh, that man is gonna be the death of me! BUT...I love him like crazy so what can you do??!! Im glad he wants to see me..that makes me happy . You mentioned he thinks I'm acting a little "laid back about the situation?" Meaning the situation between me and him particularly or my personal life situation in general?(going through a divorce.)

Girl...you are sooooo gifted!! I swear! Thank you for this sooooo much! Ok now to study this chart of yours...give me a few and I'll get back to you

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posted August 24, 2014 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AW TGem you are too sweet. I'm glad that they made sense for you!! I connect better with some people's paths than others, but I do love that feeling of relief when you've found a good reader that validates what you've been thinking, and I'm glad you were able to get that from these readings.

I was thinking D wanted to see you fight for his attention more? So he thinks you're laid back about him / comfortable and it's got him scratching his head a bit, lol.

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posted August 24, 2014 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi tgem, i had my spiritual awakening in 2011 too. The solar eclipse that year was extremely powerful. It activated my heliocentric chart (christ consciousness) profoundly.

I too have 'spirits' around me. But they are Angels and Ascended Masters. these may be angels around you.
They are trying to get through to humanity that is awakening, because we have a lot of work to do to heal the planet and humanity.

Also don't bother telling people about what you are experiencing. If they aren't awakened, its never going to be words that effects them.

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posted August 24, 2014 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Now, I notice Pluto is square Valentine, but trine Eros. That can't be a coincidence right? It's like saying I have a hard time with emotional love but not physical love.


Ok let's break this down. Talking about valentine: it is square your Pluto yes, but also square your vertex axis in the 5th house house Scorpio. The vertex axis describes where/how you will encounter fated relationships. With valentine square your vertex axis, it means you are fated to experience soul transforming love relationships through romance and creativity. Lust is parallel your antiVTX which means these relationships will also be very sexual in nature. Eros trine Pluto in your 5th verifies these aspects of fated romantic encounters. Valentine and Cupido are also contraparallel your Saturn (planet of karma) which again shows you will experience karmic love relationships. Amor is contrparallel Pluto in your 5th Scorpio which follows the same pattern of experiencing life changing transformational/unconditional love. Since Amor isn't necessarily sexual, with it being contraparallel Pluto in your 5th, it can also mean this experience with any children you might have since the 5th also represents children.

Your moon is exalted in Taurus in the 11th widely conjunct Lust and really doesn't have any bad aspects except that opposition to Pluto. To me I don't see any MAJOR issues with emotional love since most of the other placements are good. Since the opposition is fairly tight though (4 degrees) it's affects will show up a bit stronger though so I would read about this aspect a d the best way one can learn to tame it . Either way, your moon is trine Saturn, conjunct your antiVTX and quincunx your Karma so you are fated/destined to experience these aspects of your moon in these fated relationships as well. Hope this resognates?

With that said, I know I've done a couple of synastries of yours in the past..any updates on any of those? Did anything come of any of them?

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posted August 24, 2014 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW...speaking of being able to resognate with some better than others? Check out our synastry!! Pretty amazing- must be why we can connect so well

[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsa5d86be 4.jpg[/IMG]

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posted August 24, 2014 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About the synastries: I know we talked extensively about the out-of-state guy. We had a friendship, but nothing tangible ever came from it no. I left that behind.

I'm not sure if I showed you the synastry with the Aries guy I cared about, but if I did and you remember - that ended too (again, my choice.)

I remember a long time ago you did a synastry between me and my Capricorn co-worker, but that was really just a friendship and no relationship or anything heavy and changing came of it. I just saw a lot of similarities between us.

Sigh... honestly nothing has come of any of my romantic endeavors I legitimately dated one guy for a month this year and that was a terrible experience all around. (Come to think of it I technically ended that too... guess I'm always the dumper.) He was a Capricorn, Mercury Venus and Mars also in Capricorn, Moon / Pluto too so the mere fact he was ridden with Saturn lead me to believe this was all karma or something.

I feel my aspects (not sure if I'm feeling the asteroid ones because I still need to do a lot of research) more when I'm in relationships than the synastry aspects.

Sorry I couldn't give a more detailed or upbeat feedback about those

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posted August 24, 2014 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tgem:
BTW...speaking of being able to resognate with some better than others? Check out our synastry!! Pretty amazing- must be why we can connect so well

[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsa5d86be 4.jpg[/IMG]


Wow, is that Moon conjuncting Jupiter in the 12th house? I've always felt you were easy to get along with!

And your Moon and Venus in the 12th house, no wonder you can connect with spirits!

What's that Anubi in the 8th house?

Man, I really need to learn asteroids now. Do you have any specific books you'd recommend?

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posted August 25, 2014 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow, is that Moon conjuncting Jupiter in the 12th house? I've always felt you were easy to get along with!

And your Moon and Venus in the 12th house, no wonder you can connect with spirits!

What's that Anubi in the 8th house?

Man, I really need to learn asteroids now. Do you have any specific books you'd recommend?


Heck yeah...look at our 12th house synastry going on??!! My sun, moon and venus in your 12th...your mars and jupiter in my 12th. But the SHOCKER is our angles!!! All of our angles are Conjunct!!! That's big...we are probably from the same soul family...probably related in another life . Cool huh? My destinn and karma are on your Aries stellium, your NN on my MC and our vertex's are conjunct and our Amor's are conjunct! I love it!! Yep...that's why we connect so well.
About Anubis in your 8th, it is one of the asteroids used to determine level of psychic ability/spiritual awareness. Yours in the 8th would be a strong placement as it is at home here in the house of death. Anubis was the Egyptian God of death that carried/guided souls to the otherside. He was very powerful. Below is a link that you can read about plugging certain psychic asteroids into your natal to see where your abilities lie:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003093.html

I really don't have any books I can recommend about asteroids because I've done all my reading and research online through google or LL..that sort of thing. I highly recommend studying them though...they really do give your such a better..more in depth picture of any chart you are reading


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posted August 25, 2014 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Hi tgem, i had my spiritual awakening in 2011 too. The solar eclipse that year was extremely powerful. It activated my heliocentric chart (christ consciousness) profoundly.

I too have 'spirits' around me. But they are Angels and Ascended Masters. these may be angels around you.
They are trying to get through to humanity that is awakening, because we have a lot of work to do to heal the planet and humanity.

Also don't bother telling people about what you are experiencing. If they aren't awakened, its never going to be words that effects them.


Hi Athenegoddess! Wow, I never really connected my spiritual awakening to the solar eclipse but that would make sense! Thank you for your support regarding the souls around me. I agree, I just have to know in my heart what's real...regardless of what other people say. How do you know you have ascended masters and angels around you vs. earth bound spirits? Do you see or talk to them? I wish I knew if I had the angels or masters around me...I do see the numbers all the time...especially 333 and 444 so I've always taken that as a sign but other than that..I'm really not sure

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posted August 27, 2014 07:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
About the synastries: I know we talked extensively about the out-of-state guy. We had a friendship, but nothing tangible ever came from it no. I left that behind.

I'm not sure if I showed you the synastry with the Aries guy I cared about, but if I did and you remember - that ended too (again, my choice.)

I remember a long time ago you did a synastry between me and my Capricorn co-worker, but that was really just a friendship and no relationship or anything heavy and changing came of it. I just saw a lot of similarities between us.

Sigh... honestly nothing has come of any of my romantic endeavors I legitimately dated one guy for a month this year and that was a terrible experience all around. (Come to think of it I technically ended that too... guess I'm always the dumper.) He was a Capricorn, Mercury Venus and Mars also in Capricorn, Moon / Pluto too so the mere fact he was ridden with Saturn lead me to believe this was all karma or something.

I feel my aspects (not sure if I'm feeling the asteroid ones because I still need to do a lot of research) more when I'm in relationships than the synastry aspects.

Sorry I couldn't give a more detailed or upbeat feedback about those


Aww, sorry to hear about those Hanna. Yes I remember the Aries guy and your co-worker. You were pretty smitten with the Aries guy if I remember correctly? Yes, I am very confident those were karmic relationships because you had very significant synastry with them. It's funny because your Cappy has very similiar placements as the guy I'm smitten over: Cap stellium (sun, mercury, mars) moon quintile Pluto but venus in Pisces. Maybe they should get together and hang out LOL

Anyway, have you had any readings lately about prospects over the next four months? I've decided to start doing tarot, I found a place to buy them and I think I'm going to start with the Rider Waite. Once we (the cards and I) develop a pretty good relationship, we could do some exchanges. Hopefully something comes up

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posted August 27, 2014 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tgem, can you tell me specifically what you are experiencing? then i can tell you what kind of spirits they are.

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tgem, can you tell me specifically what you are experiencing? the i can tell you what kind of spirits they are.

Sure. The spirits/energies I started noticing about two years ago did lots of stuff: they would tap rhythmic beats on my headboard and pillow at night, knock against the walls, sit on the bed next to me, sometimes shake the bed (wake me out of a sleep.) At the time I was living in a location of a famous war battle that had immense casualties so I figured it was war souls who hadn't crossed over.

Lately, the spirit(s) that have visited me just tap on my headboard or pillow (rhythmic beats). I am definitely not as scared with these as I was in my last home as the others were VERY adamant about getting my attention. This spirit, I feel like, just wants to say "Hi....I'm here."

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posted August 27, 2014 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aww, sorry to hear about those Hanna. Yes I remember the Aries guy and your co-worker. You were pretty smitten with the Aries guy if I remember correctly? Yes, I am very confident those were karmic relationships because you had very significant synastry with them. It's funny because your Cappy has very similiar placements as the guy I'm smitten over: Cap stellium (sun, mercury, mars) moon quintile Pluto but venus in Pisces. Maybe they should get together and hang out LOL

Anyway, have you had any readings lately about prospects over the next four months? I've decided to start doing tarot, I found a place to buy them and I think I'm going to start with the Rider Waite. Once we (the cards and I) develop a pretty good relationship, we could do some exchanges. Hopefully something comes up


Hey, just saw this!

Gah yes I REALLY liked the Aries guy but a douchebag is a douchebag even if he has hurt feelings. I've had a couple readings by Leoeve and another reader on a different forum who's pretty on point, but I think my energy and my life needs to get cleaned up a bit before someone will come in, and I think that's what's happening now and why there's so much shifting going on in my friendships and stuff. At least that's what I like to think.

WOO you're going after Tarot? Well I could talk about that all day long if you have any questions. I am so passionate about Tarot, it's great, especially when the cards start speaking to you! My unsolicited advice: develop your own meanings and feelings for the cards before you learn their standard meanings. It's hard to reverse what you know afterwards.

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posted August 29, 2014 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sure. The spirits/energies I started noticing about two years ago did lots of stuff: they would tap rhythmic beats on my headboard and pillow at night, knock against the walls, sit on the bed next to me, sometimes shake the bed (wake me out of a sleep.) At the time I was living in a location of a famous war battle that had immense casualties so I figured it was war souls who hadn't crossed over.

Lately, the spirit(s) that have visited me just tap on my headboard or pillow (rhythmic beats). I am definitely not as scared with these as I was in my last home as the others were VERY adamant about getting my attention. This spirit, I feel like, just wants to say "Hi....I'm here."


Bumping this for Athenegoddess

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