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poppyryce
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posted September 15, 2014 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for poppyryce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My father is an alcoholic and has always been mean and emotionally abusive. What does my birthchart say about our relationship or his role in my life? I have severed all ties because he is beyond abusive and I just got to thinking maybe his role in my life was to teach me to rise above hate and ignorance..... Thank you in advance. Just wondering what the chart might say.

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Springtimeflower
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posted September 15, 2014 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Springtimeflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Poppy,

You have some wonderful contacts in your chart that relate to friends, coworkers, and neighbors that has helped you to move away from this situation in your home life and grow emotionally beyond it.

Often, how people treat others has a lot more to do with how they themselves grew up rather than somebody saying or doing something to set them off. Your moon in pisces opposite your sun shows the family strife as your parents weren't in a harmonious relationship when you were conceived. Pisces/Neptune rules alcohol/drugs and the Virgo/Pisces opposition is a conflict between service to self and service to others.

A psychic once told me that the reason people become alcoholics is because they think no one loves them.

I also heard this saying once before: The hardest people to love are the ones that need it the most.

To look at a father and child relationship in your chart, from what I've learned, is by seeing what contacts to Saturn, the midheaven, 10th house are being made and also sun/moon contacts.

Hope this helps,
Spring

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carm76
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posted September 15, 2014 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carm76     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just got to thinking maybe his role in my life was to teach me to rise above hate and ignorance..

Well put Poppy,

I too had to say no more and walk away.

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carm76
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posted September 15, 2014 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carm76     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Springtimeflower:

A psychic once told me that the reason people become alcoholics is because they think no one loves them.

Yes, it's true and an pandemic.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Springtimeflower:
I also heard this saying once before: The hardest people to love are the ones that need it the most.

again so very true.

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Springtimeflower
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posted September 15, 2014 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Springtimeflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by carm76:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Springtimeflower:

A psychic once told me that the reason people become alcoholics is because they think no one loves them.

Yes, it's true and an pandemic.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Springtimeflower:
I also heard this saying once before: The hardest people to love are the ones that need it the most.

again so very true.


Thanks Carm.

My father wasn't an alcoholic, but the last boyfriend I had was. What was interesting is that he couldn't get past how his mother would hug him--she just didn't do it the right way for him. Later he was diagnosed with a brain tumor and had to quit drinking. It surprised me to find out how easy it was for him to turn it off. I asked him how his mother took the news--he said she fell apart. We weren't dating then as I couldn't deal with the drinking. I told him: She's human, isn't she?

He agreed with me, but he did pass away--only 53 years old.

Spring

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poppyryce
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posted September 15, 2014 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for poppyryce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"You have some wonderful contacts in your chart that relate to friends, coworkers, and neighbors that has helped you to move away from this situation in your home life and grow emotionally beyond it."

This is so so true! My friends growing up is the exact reason I was able to rise above.

"Often, how people treat others has a lot more to do with how they themselves grew up rather than somebody saying or doing something to set them off. Your moon in pisces opposite your sun shows the family strife as your parents weren't in a harmonious relationship when you were conceived. Pisces/Neptune rules alcohol/drugs and the Virgo/Pisces opposition is a conflict between service to self and service to others."

You nailed it concerning my parents relationship when I was born. They never ever had a harmonious relationship and split soon after my brother and I were born. I tried so hard over the years, but I finally had to walk away. I can't take anymore abuse and I have tried to figure out why. HOnestly I do not know.. I have no reasons for why he is the way he is. The way he grew up... I don't know because his sisters my aunts are quite different. Whatever the reason he is a bitter, angry, and at times sadistic person. I thank you so much for looking at my chart.

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poppyryce
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posted September 15, 2014 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for poppyryce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Carm! <3 Sometimes it's best just to walk away. I have to let it go. After years of emotional abuse and watching him physically hurt my mother and stepmother I just can't. I am grown with my own children and for years would question what or why did things happen this way? I have heard some say you pick your parents before being born.... that used to bug me a lot... but it makes a lot of sense when I truly think about how I have grown emotionally and how I parent my children.

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Springtimeflower
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posted September 15, 2014 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Springtimeflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome Poppy.

I wonder if your dad was born last and maybe felt like he didn't get the attention the others did or he was first and the girls got more attention afterwards.

My mom once had a neighbor who drank (don't know if he was an alcoholic), but he told her once that he didn't keep in contact with his siblings (think there were around four of them). He wasn't happy that his parents ran out of money when it was time to get him a car and he never forgot it. He and his wife would argue a lot--I knew this only because as kids we played outside (a kind hide and go seek game) and I remember seeing them argue more than once.

My father wasn't perfect, but I knew that his upbringing wasn't the best and no matter how harsh he was I made peace with it and him before he passed over 15 years ago.

What I find wonderful is that people can take living through a bad experience and grow as a person and then raise truly special children of their own realizing that they themselves are not their parents and can choose how they treat or behave towards others.

I learned a lot from looking at my chart years ago, with the help of Linda Goodman, and that is how my interest in astrology began.

Bless you for creating your own wonderful life,
Spring

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carm76
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posted September 15, 2014 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carm76     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Some people do things to escape life and some people do them because they can't handle life.

My parents weren't drinkers, smokers or drug users. They just couldn't handle their life and did what they were taught. I have chosen to end the cycle and in doing so I had to leave what I knew in order to find a new positive way.

I once asked a physic why my soul chose to go through the physical and emotional abuse and I was told so I could be the mom I needed to be to my children. We live on a planet of duality and free-will, in order to fully appreciated the experience of a aspect/theme we need to know it's opposite.

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carm76
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posted September 15, 2014 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carm76     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Springtimeflower:
Thanks Carm.

My father wasn't an alcoholic, but the last boyfriend I had was. What was interesting is that he couldn't get past how his mother would hug him--she just didn't do it the right way for him. Later he was diagnosed with a brain tumor and had to quit drinking. It surprised me to find out how easy it was for him to turn it off. I asked him how his mother took the news--he said she fell apart. We weren't dating then as I couldn't deal with the drinking. I told him: She's human, isn't she?

He agreed with me, but he did pass away--only 53 years old.

Spring


She probably wasn't.

After the stomic bomb went off, a call went out from Gaia's Guardians. They didn't want human destroying her like previous civilizations did (alantis, Mu, Lumeria). Anyway, people born in the late 40's and 50's were the 1st of a 3 wave starseed infusion mission to bring love to Gaia so she may ascend. Many the of 1st wave weren't prepared and "lost" themselves.

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athenegoddess
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posted September 15, 2014 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes your chart says it. At age 15 things got very bad and you noticed his problems. Also at age 9 something might have happened out of the blue.

You have Sun/Moon approaching square with Neptune and Moon square Uranus.

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Springtimeflower
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posted September 15, 2014 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Springtimeflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by carm76:
She probably wasn't.

After the stomic bomb went off, a call went out from Gaia's Guardians. They didn't want human destroying her like previous civilizations did (alantis, Mu, Lumeria). Anyway, people born in the late 40's and 50's were the 1st of a 3 wave starseed infusion mission to bring love to Gaia so she may ascend. Many the of 1st wave weren't prepared and "lost" themselves.


That's interesting. She wasn't a very deep person and was into the affluent social group. I have some of them around me during the morning hours and then there are others that have some depth. People born in 1962 are interesting as well and so different than those in 1961 (young soul and old souls respectively). There's one in the group (a man) that is much like her--no emotional depth even though one of the older women called him "sweet".

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poppyryce
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posted September 15, 2014 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for poppyryce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Spring. Yes my dad was the baby of the family. I am not sure if it was jealousy or my oldest aunt was the favorite. He just never could control his self or his drinking and today I wonder how badly it has damaged his thinking and his brain. Thank you for your words.

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poppyryce
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posted September 15, 2014 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for poppyryce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Carm76 I completely agree. It's so hard sometimes, but I can finally see now a meaning to it all.

Athene you are spot on! I stopped going to my father's house for visits when I was 15 because of house bad my dad got.
At age 9 my half brother was born... maybe that is it and not longer after my dad got divorced for the second time.

I am amazed by you all. Thank you so much. I keep learning more and more about my chart and I really appreciate you pointing out the different aspects.

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