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Isa
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posted July 29, 2015 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys,
Could someone tell me what to expect when you have pluto in the 7th and Saturn in the 5th house in the solar returno chart? Saturn squares my sr venus in the 2nd house. It doesn't look good. I'm feeling hopeless.

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WastedLove
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posted July 29, 2015 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WastedLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this exact configuration in my transits rn

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Isa
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posted July 29, 2015 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, WastedLove. So, how is it going so far? Could you tell me some of your experiences with this transit?

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posted July 30, 2015 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WastedLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Basically Pluto put an end to my 10 year relationship with my bf. It was conjunct natal Saturn and Neptune when that happened (both sitting in my 7th house).

Then again, Pluto brings transformation, it can be good or bad. It can bring death but also rebirth Check out this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/003913.html

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posted July 30, 2015 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for javaweb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am going to have the same!! My birthday is Saturday Also curious about these placements.

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ash20
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posted July 30, 2015 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'Planets in Solar Returns' Mary Fortier Shea

Saturn In The 5th House:
Saturn in the 5th house of the solar return indicates that normal self expression is affected by present circumstances. For one reason or another, you feel very unsure of yourself and find it difficult to express who you are without fear of criticism from others. Most likely, your social milieu has changed. You may feel like a fish out of water and you no longer feel relaxed and comfortable with yourself. This is especially true if you suspect that you are in an unfriendly environment and you are consciously trying to be inoffensive to those around you.

For example, a psychic who went to graduate school found that another psychic had attended the same school before him. The first psychic had verbally threatened various professors and alienated them to such an extent that the second student had to deal with the stigma of being a psychic. It was to his advantage to be very inoffensive and nonthreatening until he was able to establish his own personality as separate and distinct from his predecessor's. He experienced a period of self imposed personality limitation while he worked toward greater definition of who he was. When he succeeded he was able to show practical applications for his skills.

Another example of this uneasiness with self is the experience of an older woman dating a much younger man. She did not really fit in with his friends and he could not really relate to hers. The transition from one environment to another may involve some inhibition. The natural flow associated with self-expression seems more controlled and consciously directed. There will be situations where caution is warranted and even advantageous. The ability to "fit in" where you would not normally go can be beneficial to your own growth and to those you meet.

The need for greater discipline when working creatively is commonly seen with this Saturn placement. During the year, even the creative process itself will be subject to greater control. The natural flow needs to be channelled in a more organized and productive manner, while the final creation needs greater refinement. Some examples of these changes might include working within a scheduled time frame or having deadlines to meet. You may have a particular piece which is popular and can be reproduced for the mass market. You probably should review the creative process and make changes according to your future needs and ambitions.

During the year, you are likely to ask for constructive criticism of your work in the hopes of getting a clearer definition of what you are trying to get across. You may find that what you create is not exactly consistent with your intention. If this is true, the creative process will now be more labored and tedious as you work to refine your creation. You become less involved with Venusian creativity since you are now more involved with Saturnian perfectionism. Major pieces of work and long-term difficult projects are also implied by Saturn in the 5th house.

In all of these instances, it can initially become more difficult to express yourself creatively. Blockages can occur, but the goal in the end is a better product which is a more accurate reflection of what you were trying to get across. You are willing to make the extra effort necessary to perfect the creative process and, ultimately, your creation. Those who are unable to make this kind of commitment and who lack the perseverance necessary will remain blocked throughout most of the year.

Self-criticism can be at an all-time high during this period while self-confidence may be shaken. These personality tendencies directly relate to the refinement process and the desire to handle very different or difficult situations. Moving closer to perfection means first seeing what is less than perfect. Do not let criticism, whether yours or someone else's, discourage you. You should actually welcome constructive criticism since it will help you see what must be done. You must go beyond your disappointment. The quality required for future tasks is much higher than that required in the past. You need to be more organized, disciplined, consistent and practical in the future. Sloppy habits, laziness, inconsistency and hypocrisy can limit your success and weaken your self-confidence, both this year and in years to come.

Relationships, especially love affairs (but generally not including marital relationships), can be more difficult with Saturn in the 5th house. Saturn is consistent with limitations of one form or another. These limitations may be specific to this particular relationship or they may be residual fears from a previous involvement. Common specific limitations include long-distance relationships, May-December romances, extramarital affairs, or relationships that involve a great deal of separation at least for the present year. You or your loved one may not have the available time necessary to carry on a wild romance. Practicality may be important.

The very worst manifestation is that you will be denied the relationship you want. This is most likely to be true if you are presently involved with a person who has previous commitments. Sometimes the relationship itself lacks affection and true caring. With very negative manifestations, Saturn may indicate sado-masochistic attractions or relationships that involve more pain than love.

If you have children, they may require closer supervision during the coming year. More of your time and energy can be taken up by their demands, and some individuals will find this frustrating and restricting. Situations will require you to be more actively involved with your children on a daily basis. New parents tend to have this placement (or a similar strong Saturn placement) because of the time and energy needed to care for an infant. The most common issues associated with school-aged children are either academic or behavioral goals or problems. For one reason or another, children may not be able to cope with everyday circumstances on their own and now need your guidance and support. This is especially true for children going through major life stages (infancy, terrible twos, puberty) or children trying to adjust to major life changes (relocation, new school, parents' separation or divorce, birth of a sibling). Increased discipline may or may not be appropriate, depending on the circumstances. Increased support and guidance is always appropriate. If your children are now adults, it is still possible for them to be involved in life situations that concern you greatly or require some assistance.

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posted July 30, 2015 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(Same book)

Pluto In The 7th House:

While Pluto is in the 7th house, issues concerning relationships become complex interactions which must be analyzed to be fully understood. Awareness is being raised to a new level of understanding and there is no book or course you can take which will give you the information you need for this passage. Knowledge springs from the inner reaches of the mind, and is fueled by the compulsions and frustrations realized in both intimate and non intimate relationships.

We must make a distinction here between two different relationship processes, and three different levels at which you may choose to work. The two different processes are love and hate, and the three different levels of interaction include non intimate partnerships, intimate relationships, and soul-level attractions. (All three will be defined and explained.) It makes a difference whether you choose to learn through lessons of love or hate. Certainly the information gleaned will be different; however, the compulsion to see remains the same. Those who choose to see through love excel despite despair, while those who choose to hate will despair despite their ability to excel. The issue of power is innate to this placement and cannot be taken lightly. One must acquire and maintain personal and relationship power through new insight and understanding. Power may be acquired through love as easily as through hate; the choice is yours, but generally those who seek to love gain power over self, while those who hate (control) seek to gain power over others.

Non intimate relationships consist of everyday acquaintances and business partnerships. At this level, almost anyone can trigger the need to face the issue of power as it flows through relationships. Conflicts are either specific or diffuse; one person in particular may become the trigger to powerlessness, or a power deficit may exist in all relationships in general. For example, you may be locked into a business partnership in which each individual is trying to meet certain goals and needs. This type of struggle relates to a specific area of your life, and the intensity is mostly restricted to that area, though insight and tension may affect interactions with other people.

Generalized power struggles are caused by an inability to actualize personal power in any relationship. In this case we are not dealing with one particular situation, but with a diffuse problem which encompasses all interactions. The inability to be assertive is the most common manifestation of this nature. Both types of struggles, whether specific or generalized, cause external confrontations which force the individual to look at the unconscious need to maintain power while interacting. This need can be met through an increased understanding of the mechanisms which govern the power flow.

Psychological issues are crucial with this Pluto placement. It is at the non intimate level that one first begins to understand how psychological motivations and fears affect the way one communicates and relates. Blatant manipulation can be the primary form of expression, in which case much of the struggle will be nonverbal in nature. You may be the instigator or you may be the victim; it makes no difference since each position correlates with psychological complexes you must understand and conquer. There is never the one-sided attack; all struggles represent a mutual process whereby the aggressor either knowingly or unconsciously triggers reactions in another. In the most negative manifestation, power struggles are difficult hate battles that last most of the year. Legal confrontations are possible. Enemies can arise and some attacks seem unwarranted. But those who master the psychological influences create new patterns of relating which represent power delicately balanced. Old partnerships, regenerated, become cooperative. Even those with generalized assertiveness problems can learn to express personal needs to others.

Intimate personal or family relationships lead the individual to make further distinctions in the understanding of psychological influences as they affect relating. External conflicts may be very apparent (similar to the non intimate level), but it is only in intimate relationships that daily exchanges can produce the subtle insights necessary for understanding psychological complexes at a deeper level. It is within this context that old psychological problems such as obsessions, compulsions, addictions, jealousies and control issues tend to surface full-blown and begin to play a much larger role. Personality traits and idiosyncrasies also affect the ability to relate in a meaningful manner. During the year, your relationship with another, usually a lover or spouse, will go through a period of transition. Both of you must look at the mechanisms by which you relate. The desire to control another is usually a central theme with manipulation and game-playing inherent in the process. You need to be aware of these ploys since they are impediments to greater intimacy and freedom. Complex power dynamics involving love and hate eliminate the possibility of freedom for one or both partners. Each must do as the other bids in order to suppress the unconscious fears motivating the need to control.

It is only through insight and an understanding of the underlying fears that one is able to dismantle the psychological complexes and begin to handle relationships clearly. The year can bring greater intimacy to those who are willing to work together to strengthen their commitment to one another while at the same time dismantling the control mechanism. Because of the placement in your solar return, you must make the transition, but it is up to others to decide whether or not to also make the necessary changes. If you are in need of a deeper, more intimate relationship than your loved one is capable of at this time, you may seek counseling, sever your present commitment, or seek other avenues for intimate exchanges. There are no easy solutions to the complex problems of relating.

If you are not already in a relationship, this can be a milestone year for you, one in which you are strongly attracted to someone new or someone you have been previously only acquainted with. Lost loves may return. Intimacy needs are increased at this time and you now need in-depth encounters. Intensity will be the norm and you do not care to waste time on superficial interactions. Even non romantic relationships can have an overpowering effect on you. Your psyche is vulnerable to the insight of others. Even those you meet only briefly can have a tremendous effect on your life.

Soul level manifestations involve new relationships which are karmic attractions that force the individual to seriously question all past and present relationships. The triggering mechanism is a desire for a new level of intimacy. The person you are drawn to may not be representative of someone you would choose for yourself on the conscious level. The implication here is that the unconscious chooses and there is no room for cliched romances. Only something very different will create the intensity necessary for the overwhelming growth pattern associated with this placement.

The issues that are dealt with this year involve a serious challenge to your ability to handle intimacy in a new way. The questions one should ask when faced with a relationship of this intensity are, "To what depths am I willing to go in order to acquire the insight necessary to understand my relationships as they exist now? Am I willing to face myself truthfully as one-half of and contributor to a complex interaction that affects both my capacity for soul growth and also the ability of others to excel? Am I willing to pay the price of vulnerability and honesty to acquire the highest level of intimacy to which I may aspire? " Intimacy at this level and intensity demands that one dismantle all defenses, and stop all ploys for power. True power comes from shredding the persona to reveal the true self. By doing so, one gains power over self and encourages all others to let go of useless power ploys also. It is at this point that meaningful relating on a karmic level can begin.

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Isa
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posted July 31, 2015 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much, Ash!

Wow, Saturn in the 5th is scary!

I found this:

Pluto in 7th house
Control and power issues along with feelings of ownership are present with the partner or
spouse. Cooperation with the mate will need to be learned. A partner may be selected based
on that person's ability to stand their ground and not give in. A partner such as this could
make the relationship very combative and competitive rather than harmonious and
equal-sided.
You are inclined to seek a partner who will provide a challenge to discover new resources
within yourself that will give you the power to transcend previous performances and to
transform certain aspects of your being. A partner who makes you feel growth and intensity is
one you seek. There is a tendency to admire well developed will power in others, with the
result that you may attract those who tend to dominate you, possibly feeling that if you have to
cope with a somewhat overpowering personality you may discover more effectively the full extent of your own resources.
There are intense feelings and reactions in your relationships. You have a need to cooperate
with others and expect total commitment in your partnerships. Trouble can occur when this
same sense of commitment is not felt by the other person in the relationship.

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