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KayK
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posted March 09, 2017 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KayK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anything in my chart indicate involuntary celibacy....or celibacy in general?

I haven't had a sexual relationship in decades. Not because I didn't want one, but somewhere in my life I became convinced that I need to be celibate even if I don't want to be celibate.

This pattern of thinking has been constant and consistent. Sometimes I feel it is karmic, that I am paying my dues via my celibacy.

Is there anything in my chart that indicates celibacy, and does the chart indicates any hope or potential to overcome this pattern?

I've read that a well placed venus and jupiter could indicate celibacy, but can these supposedly 'benefic' planets produce such malevolence?

Really appreciate any insight into this matter.

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posted March 10, 2017 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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KayK
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posted March 10, 2017 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KayK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks a lot for the reply!

I have read about afflicted Jupiter in 9th house, on top of that my Jupiter is also retrograde. Delay in education is an understatement. Higher education has become all but a dream deferred. Oh well....dats fine, i'm focusing on other things in my life.

I think Saturn in 5th house conjunct Juno also doesn't help. Saturn is in Jupiter's sign and Saturn rules the 7th house. I think the themes of my life is delay or denied completely....perhaps this is why I feel that my celibacy is meant to be, and i don't see it ending anytime soon :/

My dob is 6th sep 1986....when's urs? I'm curious, and sorry if this is too personal...what's the reason for the voluntary celibacy? Was there a particular event/moment that made you take this path, or did you feel your life was geared towards making this choice?

Also, did you see anything in your natal chart to indicate this? It would be interesting to see your chart, if you're willing

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Orienta25
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posted March 10, 2017 02:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read your post but unfortunately, I dont really have knowledge of astrology. However, I was doing this meditation today and somehow you came to my mind, so I just thought I will leave you a link of this meditation in case you are open for it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVQDFnlAc5k

ps. That Saturn in 5th I've seen it can be really hard to overcome. I know many people with this position that are kida limited in love matters.

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Sikanda
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posted March 10, 2017 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sikanda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG KayK watching your chart was like... no way, it's *so* similar to mine it's uncanny! I have the same planets in the same signs (even the Libra Moon) and even the same aspects (Sun conj Mercury, Venus conjunct Pluto...). Then I saw that you were born on September 6th, 1986. Just a day away from me: I was born on the 5th of September, 1986.
The most significant difference I see between our charts is that our houses don't fall in the same order. My ascendant is in Taurus, so I have: 2nd and 3rd house in Gemini, IC in Cancer, 5th in Leo, 6th in Virgo, 7th in Scorpio (I have Saturn here)... MC in Capricorn. My NN falls in my 12th.
A good friend of mine was born on September 6th too, but in a different year.

As for your question, I can't really give an answer. I think we are picky in love and we search for an ideal. We also need to really fall in love and feel some passion that makes us want to be with that person (I really did feel love-at-first-sight once, which of course, is not deep enough to be love but I couldn't stop thinking of him). I have fought against myself a lot with one particular relationship of mine (I met him this year), because I knew he was adorable and sweet and all I wanted and I simply had to let love *bloom*, but I was afraid of that.
I believe one might not be willing to let go of one's independence.
Astrologically I believe Venus in Libra and Mars in Capricorn are at odds. The refinement one desires in love almost contradicts Capricorn's rough passion. Moreover our Sun & Mercury, and Venus make a semisquare. Amd the Moon sextiles Saturn. Sometimes I do appear aloof to people around, except for those who know me better. Does this happen to you?

As for myself I must say I live too much in my head. I can live and relive and relive a romance I had with someone which now bears no relationship what-so-ever with the truth from which I have already distanced myself. This happened to me as early as an 11-year-old, and the feeling that I owed some loyalty to that one person, made me desire no one else and lasted well after high school. This romantic characteristic is wonderful to write romance and draw stories, but not great with real life.
After that, when I finally got over that person (I did meet him again ad saw things like they were, I idealised him and he didn't interest me anymore) I have had some love interests.
At this point I am going to ask you something, which relationship have you got with your father? Because mine has always been present, but emotionally unavailable, he seemed careless about me although he would care. I ask this because an important and revolving relationship in my life (but is not important anymore) was with an emotionally unavailable guy. Yes, he had a girlfriend (and he still does, as we never were boyfriend & girlfriend), but his appearance was *cathartic* for me; it turned my whole life upside down, he made me feel weird, like I was not myself, and from that experience that coincided with the end of a cycle in my life I turned out wiser.
As for other relationships, we went out and well.. It didn't stick, I did get attached but then I used to picture myself with that person in 10 years (that would be fine), but I would question myself if that was what I really wanted. I didn't and couldn't settle. "So that's about it? There's nothing more to a relationship?".

One more question, having your Venus and SN in the 4th house, do you feel drained at home or do you feel happy and very much loved? Because I have those in my 6th and I feel both, loved and drained at my job.

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KayK
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posted March 10, 2017 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KayK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Orienta25....thank you so much, that's really touching that you thought of me ..... I do yoga and a bit of meditation myself, i'm sure I can learn more to add to my experience

@Sikanda...great heavens above!....some of the things you wrote seem like a reflection of my life!....uncanny

Yes i am picky in love, yes i need to feel passion/chemistry to even consider a relationship, and if chemistry is not immediately felt then there is no scope of it ever turning into a relationship....it’s all or nothing for me in love (venus conj. pluto)....not surprisingly resulting in a dearth of relationships

YES, i do appear aloof....without even meaning to be, many people and friends have told me that they thought i was a ***** or snob when they first met me....and later their opinion change 180 degree after getting to know me....this has made me very reticent about forming long term bonds with people who though this of me....i mean if they can form such an irrational opinion as a first impression, it seems very unlikely that they have the ability or even the inclination to know me at a deeper level. I am easily misunderstood, it happens so often it’s a norm for me now.....so i rather invest my time and energy in a relationship with people to get me from the start....it is extremely rare to find such people....but not impossible and so worth it....i'm glad i have such people in my life

Live too much in my head?...check....think too much?....check.....live a relationship more in my head than in reality?....been there, done that and currently doing it ...but at this point in life i don't feel guilty or ashamed of this, because i had an epiphany that this is a form of microcosm i built for myself where i can enact/feel joys and pitfalls of a relationship...until i decide i am ready to face all of this in reality....i have an active and livid imagination (moon in 3rd house)...though i need to be careful that i don't get stuck in my head (moon sq. retrograde neptune)

No never felt loved at home, my childhood was the worst period of my life so far. Both my parents were emotionally absent and both endured domestic violence. Because they had their own demons to fight...it didn't leave much time for child rearing....my parents’ marriage ruined them and any potential they had for happiness in life...oh well c'est la vie....i think SN and pluto in 4th house overshadowed any positives of venus in 4th. My childhood has also created a weird type of neurosis...if i were to ever get married it must and should be with someone who had a similar (not same) childhood...strange, i know :/

How has saturn in the 7th house played out for you?....were there any delays in forming romantic relationships? Where is jupiter placed in your chart, and is it retrograde? If it's in the 9th how has this manifested for you in terms of higher education? It would be nice to see your chart

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Kannon McAfee
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posted March 10, 2017 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Involuntary - no. Your explanation tells us it was voluntary.

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Originally posted by KayK:
This pattern of thinking has been constant and consistent. Sometimes I feel it is karmic, that I am paying my dues via my celibacy.

There you hit it. The pattern can be set in place by past (or present) life vows. You can revoke them. You simply hold the intent while in a clear peaceful state of mind and say it out loud something like this:


"I revoke all vows of celibacy, aloneness, poverty, etc ... I ask to be shown clearly so there is no doubt what I must do to release these patterns to my past so that I my experience full love, joy, and peace in human relations."

If you do this successfully (by meaning it and persisting) the astrological factors don't matter. Discussing them at length could set into your mind some belief that it was 'meant' to be by 'karma', thus keeping you in a state of unfulfillment. Karma is not implacable fate. That is being stuck in a particular karmic pattern. Karmic patterns are always initiated by our own choices, even if they led to unintended consequences. Those patterns can be change at will with clear spiritual communication to the universe and the cells of your body.

I know about this personally from long hard experience. I changed the pattern and it is now in my past.

Vows are sneaky. They don't always come in the form of religious vows by a nun or priest, etc. Most often they come at the hands of pride and/or emotional disappointment in which someone says inside themselves some version of, "I'll never let them do that to me again" or "I'll never let myself be vulnerable again". The words/intent was ours and can be revoked in the same fashion in which it was given.


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Valmu83
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posted March 10, 2017 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Kannon I don't know exactly how to phrase this but do you mean that you have freed yourself from some learning experiences that were ahead of you in this life?

Does this manifest in example when you are living through hard transits..like they are not hard for you as you don't need these experience anymore..? Or did I misunderstood.

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KayK
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posted March 11, 2017 05:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KayK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Kannon McAfee, thank you very much for this, and some of the things u said about karmic patterns does resonate with me.

It's just that I do feel like the decks are stacked against me with regards to sexual relating. Typical. I try very hard not to develop a fatalistic view, but sometimes its very hard when reality ties in very well with my fatalistic view. Intellectually I know we create our own realities, but I also know intellectually that there is a limit to me creating my reality, I am not that powerful. I just wish I didn't have to fight against cosmic forces just to have a sexual relation.....that's so lame

I wonder though, even if the vows are formed because of pride or ego or from a past life deed/misdeed, the very fact that they are formed and exist, doesn't this indicate the vows need to be consummated? And if we do decide to consciously break the vow, doesn't this mean we are causing a karmic imbalance? I've understood Karma as a form of maintaining balance, and if balanced is not achieved in this lifetime, it'll just carry forward into another until you have paid back what you owe.

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posted March 11, 2017 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Valmu83:
@Kannon I don't know exactly how to phrase this but do you mean that you have freed yourself from some learning experiences that were ahead of you in this life?

I freed myself from staying at a level of schooling that I'd already completed. Sometimes the way we stay stuck is by not leaving spiritual grade school after we've graduated, but hanging around in the class room instead of moving on to bigger and better things.

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Does this manifest in example when you are living through hard transits..like they are not hard for you as you don't need these experience anymore..? Or did I misunderstood.

I handle hard transits better than the average person who is still carrying karmic baggage. By that I mean, with less reaction, less upheaval. I'm more aware of my power in the situation.

But it is a challenge, as one must maintain balance within themselves and keep ego under control. It is a constant challenge and this last year or so I really slipped, but caught myself with the help of a good reader, Voix_de_la_Mer, and by getting back to my guiding ideal of being a healer in whatever I do.

KayK, there is no cosmic force fighting against you. Work with the universe by telling it -- commanding -- in the direction of your better well being. That is the big shift. It is in your hands.

Vows are personal choices enacted from various levels of intention (constructive or destructive), emotion, disappointment, unnecessary self-sacrifice. Any vow (resolve) can be retracted completely at any time if it is no longer serving you. What you've described and the questions you've given go to some belief you must sacrifice your desires and well being in order to be 'good' with some superior force working against you.

You can change this anytime, but you first have to decide you can.

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posted March 12, 2017 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Iridia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Without reading the replies...

8th house ruler opposite Chiron: major pain related to sex

Chiron in the 12th: you don't even understand why you're doing this to yourself

Chiron in Gemini: a matter of mindset

Sagittarius Uranus square Pisces Jupiter in the 9th house, Mars sextile Jupiter: sexual nature affected by some kind of sense of morality (Sag, Jupiter, 9th) which happens to confuse you (Pisces)

Sun in Virgo: trying to achieve some kind of purity

Moon square Neptune: confusion, delusion, less doing more dreaming, "sex should be spiritual/an expression of love"

Mars in Capricorn: sexual discipline


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I've read that a well placed venus and jupiter could indicate celibacy, but can these supposedly 'benefic' planets produce such malevolence?

Well placed Venus and Jupiter are no guarantee of an abundant sex life. In fact, Jupiter rules religion and there are religions who expect their priests to be always celibate and their followers to restrict their sexuality. Maybe you were a catholic priest in your previous life or something.

Judging by your whole chart, you could use some romance first and foremost. I believe a legit, satisfying relationship would help you break out of this cycle.

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posted March 13, 2017 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sikanda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I am posting my chart. I don't know how to make it smaller though :/.

I don't know if this is happening to you, but right now I am feeling quite misunderstood. Not in the family, but specially in my work environment. When I talk to coworkers my age, I realise our life experiences are different and we are not on the same page. I need people who can get me... Anyway I won't pay that much attention to the people who don't. Some even look at you like you would offend them by just staring? But if one had to care about that all, then... I have friends to get me, though and yes, they are really worth it.

May I ask you? Are you quite tall and slender? Because I don't know if this has to do with my ascendant or genetics, but I am unusually tall for the average women where I live.

"I had an epiphany that this is a form of microcosm i built for myself where i can enact/feel joys and pitfalls of a relationship...until i decide i am ready to face all of this in reality".
I know, I have done that way too many times. Yes, to help myself with the real-life situation. This is why I always loved to become an animator, because I love drawing and I love to tell by drawing all that my head is thinking. Because I like to make people participate of my thoughts, letting them sink and being replied to. I loved how Disney in his time was able to convey his opinions through the visual channel and how he could make it entertaining too, because entertaining means sure instant like (I am not just talking about disney princesses).

My Moon, Venus, SN and Pluto are in the 6th house, and this is where I often feel stressed. I can feel loved too...
I have a wonderful family which always sticks together (on my mother's side), not so much on my father's. My childhood was very happy, I was a quite placid and responsible child, but as I grew up I understood that my parents' marriage was not an ideal one. Granted it wasn't awful, but I believe they tried to mend it and failed because they had very different interests to follow in life. My father, in particular, would *never* give in, not even to us who were children! This is something I remember from my childhood, he should have been reasonable, kind, generous... If my mum was, I didn't get why it was easier that the Earth would stop before my father would give in to any of our suggestions (about... mostly anything). He never let us hold and validate an opinion of our own because of his dominant nature. You know what I do now because of that experience? I tell the children I work with that they have a voice of their own, that they need to follow what they believe in.
And because of this I told you I really really *hate* men who are dominant. That really angered me about him. Still my parents stuck together because of my sister and me, and as years went by, they became more tense. For me, my mother was an example of what a good mother should be. She always said that we were the first thing for her in her heart, no matter what. My father, on the other side, is in my opinion very far from it. He even made unintentionally demeaning remarks about me and other family members in presence of his colleages; and this is something that I needed time to forgive.

Saturn in the 7th (almost touching the 8th) I have not really noticed much to be sincere, but I am attracted to men with Capricornian/Saturnian traits although I often feel an interest for young looking men. I like guys who look my age, as simple as that. Yes, as I told you I have had delays in forming romantic relationships. I have been much into a person and made that last for years, being loyal to my idea of him, so I couldn't focus on what was before me. I have advanced very slowly but surely on that matter. And I didn't get serious dating proposals up till a couple of years ago. I felt very disconnected and focused in other areas of my life before that (like study and career).

Yes, Jupiter is retrograde in my chart and it is in my 11th house (the friends house). I have often been a loner as a kid. It was strange, because I felt comfortable to talk a lot at home, but among peers I felt like I couldn't trust to speak my mind to them, because again I felt like they didn't get me. Adults did get me though and I had a wonderful relationship with teachers. I was, in fact, a very good student. So I think for me it means a delay in getting true, honest friends. I only found them as an adult. And sometimes disillusion or feeling deceived by a person whom I thought more of a friend than he did. Fortunately I have learnt from this.

Don't quote please, may erase later. Thanks.

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posted March 13, 2017 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars is war and sex,
it is the planet of getting what we want and how we go about getting it. Your mars is in Capricorn, that usually is a structure planet and practical. I think this is probably why you may have no desire for sex.

My mars is in Gemini, we can go with or without but it is based off intellectual pursuits. Right now mine is progressed into Cancer, nice to some degree but blahhh in other ways. You really do have to focus your energy outwards, to turn inwards is like a death sentence. As in don't feel like dong nothing.

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posted March 17, 2017 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
Mars is war and sex,
it is the planet of getting what we want and how we go about getting it. Your mars is in Capricorn, that usually is a structure planet and practical. I think this is probably why you may have no desire for sex.

My mars is in Gemini, we can go with or without but it is based off intellectual pursuits. Right now mine is progressed into Cancer, nice to some degree but blahhh in other ways. You really do have to focus your energy outwards, to turn inwards is like a death sentence. As in don't feel like dong nothing.


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posted March 22, 2017 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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