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Plut0nian2
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posted January 03, 2018 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think my natal Jupiter has expired or something. I've mentioned many times before it is the only thing that gives me hope in my natal chart.. that beautiful Jupiter in 2th H along with Venus and Mars there.
Jupiter in 2nd H is one of the best houses Jupiter could be in imo, but it feels like I don't have a natal Jupiter at all let alone one in the 2nd H.
My parents were poor but to the point they had not food to eat. They could afford the very basics, materials/money do not come easily to me, in fact they do not come at all.. My Jupiter return was a failure. I got a 10 dolar eyeshadows palette and it is the only thing I got in general. Nothing good happened that year..not even opportunities.. Even transit Jupiter hasn't brought me anything good practically.. just body expansion which is not good at all.
I've checked many natal charts and except of Jupiter in 1st, 3rd, 9th and 12th H (in which Jupiter is wasted imo) Jupiter does its miracle properly without even any effort on the part of the person. For example 2 friends of mine born a few days before me have the exact same aspects and sign my Jupiter has just in different houses. In fact our charts are the same except from Moon and house placements which I know they make a huge difference but not when it comws to Jupiter.
So one of them has Jupiter in 7th h (she is indeed lucky when it comes to relationships, and is treated very well by her boyfriends who always help her in many ways), the other one has Jupiter in 8th H and gets money and materialistc things in general without even asking for it. Not only her boyfriends but her relatives including her parents too.
Until now I thought that my natal Jupiter is not "working" because it is receiving negative aspects from both Saturn and Pluto.. now it hit me though that my friends have those same aspect too though.. why is working for them and for me? Why even the only good thing in my matal chart isn't working? Why bad things happen no matter how hard I try to stop them from happening but good things do not happen no matter how hard I try to make them happen?

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posted January 03, 2018 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you believe in yourself?
I have mars in 2th house and somebody told me in order to make money I would have to believe in myself and in what I'm doing.That is how money comes for everyone but especially for people with mars in 2th house.It makes sense to me.

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posted January 03, 2018 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can I ask you how do your planet in 1st house works?Do you have gemini or virgo traits?

Can you tell me a little about saturn in your 8th house?How do you feel it?

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posted January 03, 2018 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is your birth time correct, from a birth certificate ?

Nevertheless ...you also have Saturn in the 8th house of money and material things given to you. 8th house is also ruled by Saturn so its a double dare. With Jupiter in the 2nd and Saturn in the 8th - your only way to make money and be financially well is if you work yourself or make the money yourself but not expect to be given much from others since Saturn in the 8th limits benefits coming from others - that includes even banks or using credits. No gifts or anything coming to you easily from others. So it's entirely on you to support yourself. But if you make an effort - it will be plenty of income. You are given the ability to make your own money and if you start - it will be a lot.

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posted January 03, 2018 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW,
Your OP ( original post ) was the cutest thing I've read recently. An expired Jupiter ...hahaha. .so cutee, I love that

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posted January 03, 2018 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason for poverty in your chart is because of mars and Venus together in the 2nd house, but especially because of mars in the 2nd house which is considered lack of money, and your second house ruler is in the 12th house of loss (sun). If none of these positions/aspects were there, Jupiter by itself in the 2nd house represents that the person gains and spends a lot of money, they're rarely in debt or have lack of money. But it's because of these aspects and positions that you're experiencing finachial problems.

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posted January 03, 2018 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can make your Jupiter strong by wearing yellow clothes more often and especially on Thursdays, and on Thursdays eating yellow foods like bananas or nutritional yeast. And by avoiding the color red. The energies of the planets are in their colours. Maybe this could help.

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posted January 03, 2018 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
Can I ask you how do your planet in 1st house works?Do you have gemini or virgo traits?

Can you tell me a little about saturn in your 8th house?How do you feel it?


Of course! Saturn in 8th well I feel it in every possible negative aspect you will read online.
I don't know where to start from.

Lack of trust in general. I test people way too much until I am sure I can somewhat trust them.
I don't really want money from other people.. I generally don't want anything from others (favors, help, presents.. nothing)
I do not want to receive because I know then I will have to give something back. It's very rare of me to ask for something and it is very difficult for me to do so. Don't get me wrong I like giving but I feel like others ask too much in return.. When I give something I don't expect something in return, but most people I know give something when they want to ask for something which feels like hypocrisy.
Somewhere I read that a person with Saturn in 8th H will either have a cold father or that the father will die soon. I did lost my father when I was almost 22.
I do not trust people unless I test them and I really mean it..
I don't like to be touched/hugged/kissed etc.
I feel like I wanna escape, I was like that since I was a kid crying because no matter how much I told others that I hated it they didn't give a sh*t.. they would go and kiss me and it felt disgusting.
When I like someone I kind of like it when he hugs me but I still wanna run away, I do not feel fear I do feel kind of detouched.
I have never had sex, I never understood why people couldn't control themselves and I see no reason trusting my body to someone that I know some day will be again a stranger to me.
The only way I will be interested to have sex with someone is if he gives me too much time and control.. Once I met a gay guy which was my friend for a while, I felt so relieved at the thought that he would not secretly have sexual feelings for me, I hugged him and I kissed him so much, I was generally touching him a lot and I felt so free with him until he told me he was not indeed gay and just told me so in order to come closer to me.. I never talked to him again.. I wasn't really angry because he lied to me I just freaked out that he will start making moves and wanting sex, relationship etc.. In other words.. I want someone who adores me with his mind and soul and is not showing me that he is interested in sex in anyway.
Funny thing I get so easily turned on but I don't feel the need to act on it.

I am afraid of death but not my own..
It takes me too much to get over any emotional pain when compared to the others.

If you would like to know something else ask me I may forget something related this placement.

As for the 1st House.. Yes I was always wondering why the hell my mind is so logical..
Having so strong emotions and logic at the same time.. My mind is not emotional at all if that makes sense. I am analytical and I 90% listen to my brain and not my heart no matter how much pain that may cause me.
My brain always wins.


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Do you believe in yourself?
I have mars in 2th house and somebody told me in order to make money I would have to believe in myself and in what I'm doing.That is how money comes for everyone but especially for people with mars in 2th house.It makes sense to me.


I do believe in myself although I am dissapointed to be honest.


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posted January 03, 2018 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
Is your birth time correct, from a birth certificate ?

Nevertheless ...you also have Saturn in the 8th house of money and material things given to you. 8th house is also ruled by Saturn so its a double dare. With Jupiter in the 2nd and Saturn in the 8th - your only way to make money and be financially well is if you work yourself or make the money yourself but not expect to be given much from others since Saturn in the 8th limits benefits coming from others - that includes even banks or using credits. No gifts or anything coming to you easily from others. So it's entirely on you to support yourself. But if you make an effort - it will be plenty of income. You are given the ability to make your own money and if you start - it will be a lot.


It's true that I do not get anything from others except of my dad.. He was the only person that would give me something with all his heart. He was even more happy than me when he gave me money or presents.
I don't really want to take anything from others but when I worked for some periods my income was the lowest possible. All of the 4 times.


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BTW,
Your OP ( original post ) was the cutest thing I've read recently. An expired Jupiter ...hahaha. .so cutee, I love that

Hehe ♡

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posted January 03, 2018 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks You can erase your personal info if you want to.

I have saturn in 8th house.(besides uranus/neptune) and I relate to many things here.
I also didn't like to receive things from others hahaha Now I changing.I'm letting people help me if they want too,it is good to let people take care of us once and while.It helps our femine energy to flow better too.

I like to hug though but sex for me has to be with someone I'm in love with.

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I want someone who adores me with his mind and soul and is not showing me that he is interested in sex in anyway.


You have moon in pisces.
I have venus in pisces.

You have sun in 12th house
I have sun/neptune

This combo saturn in 8th house/Pisces makes us desire something deeper.I know how you feel

I know how you feel about your chart too.I'm trying to embrance mine.I used to hate it with passion,now I'm using it to cut the negative cords.It is hard but I'm trying to see the whole thing throught a different light.We are in constant movement,we can be whatever we want to be!!! Actually is good to have hard aspects,"hard placements" because they make us WAKE UP.For example I have sun in 7th house and a weak mars (debilited).It is like heaven telling me "If you don't watch out you gonna be a doormat" "If you don't watch out you gonna be codependent of others".

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posted January 03, 2018 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Spica:
The reason for poverty in your chart is because of mars and Venus together in the 2nd house, but especially because of mars in the 2nd house which is considered lack of money, and your second house ruler is in the 12th house of loss (sun). If none of these positions/aspects were there, Jupiter by itself in the 2nd house represents that the person gains and spends a lot of money, they're rarely in debt or have lack of money. But it's because of these aspects and positions that you're experiencing financial problems.

I know Mars is considered malefic, but I read that it means that I will indeed take action in order to make money. As I said though these aspects apply to my friends too I mean they also have Venus conjunct Mars and Jupiter. So the only thing that differs is the 2nd H Lord's placement .. Is it so powerful to ruin the whole thing? It is so difficult for me to accept it. It feels like nothing will ever go well for me..


EDIT: About the colors.. That is very interesting. I dislike yellow too much, I love red Thursday is my favorite day. Have you seen a change when using the "right" colors? I believe in energy so I am interested in these things.

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posted January 03, 2018 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I know mars is considered malefic


Mars is considered malefic in western astrology?Or you are talking about vedic Plutonian?I don't usually hear this word "malefic" in western.I'm avoiding vedic astrology as hell ever since I started to have positive thoughts lol If you want something to drag you down,that is.It tells you have no power over anything on your life and that is very self-destructive.Especially for people who already deal with pessimism.

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posted January 03, 2018 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[B]Empty Spaces

I am happy that you are at least trying to see your chart through a different light..
It feels like a burden to me when others help me, like I use them, I feel guilty.
I dislike Pisces too much Pisces Moon makes me satisfied just with my fantasies.. I am lost to my fantasy world and I am not interested or motivated to make my fantasies come true.. Fantasies are perfect and do not compare to reality. That is a very bad thing. Makes me very passive in a really negative way. Oh.. and I need music to do that..

My Moon and Neptune in 7th H cusp tell me "just ignore reality and escape to your fantastic world where everything is perfect without you even trying.. leave reality behind.. reality doesn't love you that is why no matter how hard you're trying everything turns bad"

I agree about wanting deep relationships and I dislike swallow people.

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posted January 03, 2018 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:

Mars is considered malefic in western astrology?Or you are talking about vedic Plutonian?I don't usually hear this word "malefic" in western.I'm avoiding vedic astrology as hell ever since I started to have positive thoughts lol If you want something to drag you down,that is.It tells you have no power over anything on your life and that is very self-destructive.Especially for people who already deal with pessimism.


Oh no.. I don't read about vedic astroloy.
I was talking about western astrology, both Mars and Saturn are considered malefics (at least that is what I read).

You know what.. It is reality that makes me feel depressed not the natal chart itself
I do not like my natal chart but it is indeed reflecting reality

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posted January 03, 2018 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for furrybunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
venus Jupiter makes an aspect and to my knowledge alot of famous celebrities, politicians models who get rich and fame quickly have that aspect even in negative. I have puto in second house like my ex and we both go through REAL fluctuations of income. Super rich one day then super poor haha. so yes being optimistic helps because its a great aspect. just work hard and wait for the right time.

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posted January 03, 2018 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars is good on the 2nd houss, especially with Jupiter, it shows action and energy to make your own money , it's a good helper.

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posted January 03, 2018 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you, gals, enlighten me more on the Pisces Moon/Venus and the no sex thing about their prospective partners ?
I noticed this in someone with a Pisces Moon and Pisces Venus and I was perplexed , as if - isn't it normal to express feelings thru the intimate act of sex? I mean - you love someone, you want to merge with them in any possible ke ways, right?.
So why sex is considered shallow to a Pisces creature then ? Enlighten me, please, and also explain - is sex okay with someone who is not a love partner, like when feelings are not involved then it's easier to just have sex and that's it ? But when it comes to a serious love interest - then pressing for sex from their side is somewhat too shallow?
I need to understand that mindset

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posted January 03, 2018 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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"It feels like a burden to me when others help me, like I use them, I feel guilty"

It is exactly how I feel!!! But this guilty isn't healthy.Accepting one thing or another isn't taking advantage of others.You can always do something in return hun?but not as an obligation just when you feel you should.

I don't know about you but I took a deep look into myself I noticed that I miss people showing they care.Letting them take care a little bit of me is good.I just have to let them.

I'm so glad you are honest about your issues! I also have issues with fantasy.SUN/NEPTUNE.
Neptune ***** my sun hahahaha I desperately need to control myself or I end up living on the fairtytale land.I have been like this my whole life and I used to feel very ashamed to talk about it.I thought I was an ET! I think escapism issues have a root cause maybe a therapist could help us to identify what exactly.Only who have it this tendency understand how difficult to overcome but we can! I believe it.

We have so much things in common

I have moon in 1st house which gives cancer traits and gemini ASC.

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posted January 03, 2018 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Orange

Oh no what I meant is that I want something DEEP and not a casual thing.I don't want a shallow relationship.Casual sex is not for me (Saturn doesn't like casual hahha). Actually I want exactly this merge you are talking about but I need to be in love or that would be a mechanic act for me I think.This is not very realistic I know but I'm super romantic.It actually needs to be with a serious insterest,someone I love.

You mean that moon/venus in pisces guys/girls doesn't like to have sex with people they are in love?

Maybe the person think it is easier when feelings ain't involved.Maybe they think they will disappoint the person they love if they do something wrong or maybe they are scared about their own feelings.While when they are with a person they don't care about they don't have much of that concern.I once had this feeling,that would be easier if I didn't like the person.

I'm curious to hear what Plutonian will say about it.


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posted January 03, 2018 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Orange:
Can you, gals, enlighten me more on the Pisces Moon/Venus and the no sex thing about their prospective partners ?
I noticed this in someone with a Pisces Moon and Pisces Venus and I was perplexed , as if - isn't it normal to express feelings thru the intimate act of sex? I mean - you love someone, you want to merge with them in any possible ke ways, right?.
So why sex is considered shallow to a Pisces creature then ? Enlighten me, please, and also explain - is sex okay with someone who is not a love partner, like when feelings are not involved then it's easier to just have sex and that's it ? But when it comes to a serious love interest - then pressing for sex from their side is somewhat too shallow?
I need to understand that mindset

I will as best as possible.. Someone was hurt by me because of this and he could not understand how much I loved him.
But has someone told you these things?
I feel like someone you liked told you he/she was feeling like this and now you try to understand this..
I am asking because you describe it exactly the way I feel it but you don't understand it..
First of all I have to tell you that I like animal mode sex (Pluto in 5th and Pluto square Venus and Mars) so this doesn't help.. maybe if I was a bit romantic and I wanted the more romantic sex I wouldn't have this problem..
Indeed love and sex can not be connected.. I can't have good sex with someone I love exactly because I love him.. And that is why I can never be in love with someone that we even sex chatted for a minute..
Sex is ok if I have sexual chemistry with someone as long as he is a cold b@stard who sees me as a sex tool and won't be then coming to me crying saying he loves me and stuff.. I have no mercy and no compassion for those people.. I can not believe myself disgusted I was with someone I was sexchating for like 3 months and he started talking to me sweet etc.. I wanted to throw up and I kind of hated him for doing this to me because we agreed that we would just talk for sex no romance etc.. Can you imagine I felt betrayed when he suddenly started to be sweet and stuff to me, I put an end to it immediately and he was like "what the hell it is the first time a girl is angry for this reason.. it is always the opposite".
Once I was in a platonic relationshio with someone I was madly in love with, and at some point I decided that I would tease him in a sexual way and see how it goes.. I was so hurt.. I felt like my love was ruined.. I didn't want to talk to him anymore.. It was like everything fall apart.. and we didn't even talked in a dirty way or say weird stuff.. I don't know why feelings and sex can not be combined for me.. in fact it's like they cancel each other.. When I am in love with someone I want to merge with him in every possible way except of the sexual one..

In other words if I have even a sex chat with someone I love i suddenly stop loving him..
I do not know why it is like that
But it's very sad

Oh.. as I told you though I never had sex.. In teality something may change although I am not planning to have sex..But I had platonic relationship and very intense feelings and for some reason no matter how crazy that sounds especially for a "normal" guy with a lot of Capricorn and Scorpio, it's like they could sense my platonic love for them.. they were taking things seriously. It is like they were confused because they felt that I am a trustworthy peron and that I am indeed intrested but they could not understand why I didn't want a normal relationship (that has to do with Uranus conjunct my 7th H cusp too..)

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posted January 03, 2018 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by furrybunny:
venus Jupiter makes an aspect and to my knowledge alot of famous celebrities, politicians models who get rich and fame quickly have that aspect even in negative. I have puto in second house like my ex and we both go through REAL fluctuations of income. Super rich one day then super poor haha. so yes being optimistic helps because its a great aspect. just work hard and wait for the right time.


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Mars is good on the 2nd houss, especially with Jupiter, it shows action and energy to make your own money , it's a good helper.

Thanks both for the positivity but the thing is that with hard work everyone will get a low income.. It is supposed to come easily
Which is not the case.. Why for the other 2 of my friends is working without them even trying.. and they have the exact same aspects as me..
I am tired of working hard for even little simple things.. You can't imagine how many obstacles there will be wspecially for me even for the most stupid thing.
So tired of this..
At least I wish bad things didn't happen just as good things do not happen..

** By the way I love Pluto in 2nd H.. Always people with this placement are very comfortable material and finamcial wise.

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posted January 03, 2018 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, Plutonian.
I think you kind of showed me the other point of view with your post but I am still perplexed.

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posted January 03, 2018 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
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I might feel like you if it wasn't for South Node in 1st H and Uranus conjunct my 7th H and Sun in 12th H. I really like being alone and depend just to myself and I living all alone was always my dream.
You maybe right that the guilt we feel is not healthy but we may just be too responsible as well.

You know what though? Others do drugs in order to escape.. how cool we are achieving this without harming ourselves though?
Well to be honest I need music to do it.
When I put my headphones and feel isolated from the rest of world it is pure magic.

You don't need to be ashamed maybe you need to be happy about it.. I don't want to be cured.. It is the only thing left to enjoy..
When someone's life is f***ed up it is absolutely natural to feel depressed.
And medecines are not going to cure this.. they are just covering it.. The true issue is the ugly reality.. and unfortunately we are not able to control many things.
Can you believe I was a very positive person till my 19teen?? I had so many dreams.. I wasn't lucky ir had more than now till my 19teens.. I just never had health problems and lowt people I loved. It is that simple..

It gets harder for me to escape.. I don't know why but when I was younger I could do it even without music.. Now it is even harder for it to work.
I feel like "so what did I get for being honest? for being compassionate? for being responsible? for trying? for being proud? for being strong? I got nothing but pain and a sh*tty life. I don't want to try for the best anymore.. I am very tired already from trying. I am sick of not being a wh*re or a cold b@stard.. I wish I had money to do drugs. I am at a point that I admire the people who are using others in order to get what they want no matter what dirty way they use.. I admire jerks that are caring for just themselves and don't give a sh*t about others.. I admire drug addicts for finding a way to be happy even if it is fake happiness.. I am jealous of people who die without suffering. And still.. I can do any of these myself.. I am pretty useless in the end.
Still I think at some point I will be a drug addict.. I secretely wish I will be able to do it.

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posted January 03, 2018 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Plut0nian2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Orange

PfffftHAhahahah I died with the asteroid lust thing. You sounded so damn cute.
I am imagining you all freaked out ♡
I am like your boyfriend too.. If someone says to me I am sexy I feel like he offended me ahahhaah. I really don't know how it's possible but you have to understand that we are questioning how it is possible for others to be able to have or say anything about sex with their loved ones. I know you feel like you are the "mormal" one but just because the majority of people are like you because we are taught to wait for someone we truly love to have sex with doesn't mean we are less normal. You know what I mean?
What sign is his 8th H in and what planets if any?
I would suggest you to stop showing interest in a sexual way with him. It may be hard for you depending on your personality but he may need exactly what I do although I think that my problem is Saturn in 8th H not so much Pisces.
I don't know how to explain it better.
Believe me though it is more common than you would think it is just other people may try to please their partners in order to keep them.
After having sex though, love dissapears I then will want the person just for sex and I go into heartless b*tch mode.

I forgot to tell you that I also feel like the other person does not love me when I feel like he is even in the mood for sex.. I feel somewhat hurt that he has these kind of thoughts for me.
Also I've read many times that people can not have really good sex with the ones they love and it is logical because you respect the one you love, it was connected with cheating. So I am really wandering if it is as uncommon as many think.

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posted January 03, 2018 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thanks, girl. Bless you for explaining this to me.

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