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rayofnight
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posted January 06, 2018 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rayofnight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When trying to contact a son I had given up for adoption, I found out he had died 5 years previously. I have not found out the cause of death but two possibilities came to mind immediately. I would like to know if his chart indicates anything at all. His birthdate is May 22, 1987 at 6:30am in Santa Monica, CA. He died on Sunday, January 11, 2009 at the age of 21. It just seems like his chart shows a difficult and challenging life but I am a complete amateur and need guidance. I would be most appreciative of help.

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athenaia
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posted January 06, 2018 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey rayofnight, I'm really sorry to hear of the death of your son. I pulled up his chart (as well as his transits) and have a few hunches as to his death, but I'm nothing close to a professional so take what I say with a grain of salt.

His big three are in young, impulsive elements (Gemini/Aries). We could infer that he could have been an impulsive, reckless sort - though this is behavior that everyone is inclined to, especially when they're 21 and growing up in Los Angeles.

With his Sun/Venus in the 12th house, Moon square Neptune, as well as his Mars (widely) opposite Neptune, my thought immediately turned to a drug overdose. My father died of that and he has similar elements in his chart.

Neptune was conjunct your son's MC at the time of his death, and Pluto had just entered his 8th house within the past two years (2008/2009). An accident at work, or a car accident, is also plausible here. Transiting Pluto was also opposite your son's Mars at the time.

Transit Uranus was opposite Saturn during this time, which would be square his natal Chiron/Saturn opposition. This was probably a very difficult time for him, emotionally and psychologically speaking.

With a tight Sun/Moon sextile and a Leo IC, I feel that he must have been very much adored by his adoptive family. Possibly grew up in affluence. A Gemini Mercury loosely conjunct his ASC and an Aqua MC would indicate no shortage of brilliance. He also has a loose Venus/Mars sextile so he probably had a lovely temperament and was quite popular socially with others. He has Jupiter loosely conjunct his NN which is a most favorable aspect.

For all the negative (Venus opposite Pluto, Chiron opposite Saturn, H12 Sun/Venus and Saturn/Uranus in the 7th), it seems that he lived a very full (albeit short) life.

Have you considered combing through death certificates in Los Angeles county from 2009? You might have legal access to his as his birth mother.

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colorful butterfly
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posted January 06, 2018 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ray,

I am so sorry for your loss honey. I grew up in an Orphanage, not given up at birth but at 12 and Ward of the state is on my birth certificate although I was able to know my parents for some time in life. My mother had passed when I got old enough to really be able to be around her more. I wonder why sometimes these things happen to separate two people as if they are not meant to be together in this life, if you believe in past lives.

I wish I could help you on an intuitive level but I am afraid my own emotions may cloud what I pick up on. I get a feeling that you are however here to help others who have given up their babies to adoption , to cope and heal , make decisions on whither or not to do so or not. Turn your pain into something to help others? Let me know if this resonates within.

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rayofnight
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posted January 07, 2018 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rayofnight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting - and thank you so much for responding. Drug overdose was one of the first things I thought but I had just lost a 20-yr old nephew to a heroin/Xanax overdose that completely rocked by world...and not in a good way. I had to consider that my judgment on that was colored by Artie's death.

I chose the parents myself - an affluent couple, indeed. He lived in Beverly Hills his entire life and would have been well-taken care of for life. Well, I guess he was, now wasn't he? Anyway, Los Angeles - and California in general - do not list cause of death on the death certificate. As the birth mother, I have no rights to the information, even though it was originally supposed to be an open adoption. The whole ordeal almost seems like it was hushed up - it was challenging finding the obituary and it was only placed in one small newspaper. No tribute sites anywhere, nothing like that. I found one record - a speeding ticket - that leads me to think your car accident suggestion also has possibilities. My other thought, besides overdose, was suicide. Not sure why I thought that except maybe it was because I have a feeling that my nephew might have overdosed intentionally.

For not being a "professional", I am impressed by the knowledge you have and how you nailed my first guess. Not to mention the accident scenario. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this for me. Even since Artie died, I am obsessed with knowing how people die. Then to find out Joshua died and not know how it happened, is a very special kind of torture. You have helped more than you know.

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rayofnight
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posted January 07, 2018 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rayofnight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Athenaia, one more little bit of info I gleaned - believe me when I say there isn't much out there at all - is that he actually died in a hospital. That would probably point more towards a car accident than an overdose, unless they found him early. And I gave you misinformation, now that I recall. It wasn't a speeding ticket he got - it was for modifying his vehicle, most likely adding some element that is conducive to street racing. As a member of Documenting Reality, this is more distressing to me as I've seen the results of car accidents and it's not pretty.

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rayofnight
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posted January 07, 2018 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rayofnight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Colorful butterfly, thank you. And I can relate - we were orphaned, as well. My mother died when I was 6 of uterine cancer and my father died when I was 13 of stomach cancer (that had spread to lungs/brain). We didn't go to an orphanage - my older sister went to a foster home, I hit the streets and my little sister stayed with my hideous, abusive stepmother until my older sister married at 17 and got guardianship of her. I always wondered if any of this stuff shows up in charts but I guess it doesn't matter now. The one thing I learned from my stepmother - and it's stayed with me for almost 50 years - is the saying, "There was a man who complained because he had no shoes until he saw the man who had no feet." I never squawk about my past because so many people have had it so much worse. I am grateful, actually.

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missblyss
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posted January 07, 2018 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for missblyss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I grew up in wealthy Southern CA town and almost everyone I know my age who has died has died from drugs.

Once someone died from some weird explosion and once from a gun, but about 10 from drugs. Especially based off his location, that would be my guess. Can you look for an obituary online? I think if it were an accident, there would be a news article that would come up if you searched his names. Wealthy people like to keep overdoses more private posthumuously bc it makes them look like "bad parents".

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