posted September 16, 2018 03:41 PM            

just curious what seems to explain this insane behavior?

this is a person who feels totally justified in criminal behavior. he feels that if someone wrongs him, he has the right to take matters into his own hands, even to the point of trying to kill them.

he has always been drawn to drug dealing and other illegal ways to make money.

he does have a good side, but as long as I have known him there has been this pull to join the "dark side"

definite drug and alcohol problems too

posted September 16, 2018 04:53 PM            

As someone who is in the mental health field and has taken a class in personality disorders, this person sounds like he has antisocial behavior (and no antisocial does NOT mean that you don't like talking to people). Antisocial behavior means that you don't believe in following societies rules, you commit violent acts and feel like it is justified, no remorse etc. All the description you wrote about this person fits. Also sounds like this person has sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies.

posted September 16, 2018 09:50 PM            

his chart loos kinda docile, I personally do not see any violence indicated in the chart alone. I wonder if the time of birth is correct, even though it will not change the planetary picture much. The only thing I can see, and only after you pointed the negative traits, is that his Mars is retrograde and in cancer, which is prone to repressed energy releasing itself in outburst, some could be quite violent eruptions. Also, his Jupiter in 12th house may make him feeling above the law, untouchable, easy escaping troubles, god complex. But that's pretty much all.

I just looked at some notorious drug lords charts just to see what is in the charts of prominent violent characters , and no surprise at all, them having Pluto- Mars exact square and opposition.
El Chapo has a tight T-square of Moon-Mars-Pluto. very volatile emotions.
Robert Suarez Gomes has a tight opposition of Pluto to a stelium of Sun-Mars-Saturn. Very sadistic chart.
Pablo Escobar didn't have Mars-Pluto or a hard Pluto, he had a Mars-Saturn conjunction squaring Sun.

posted September 16, 2018 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Miss,

his chart loos kinda docile, I personally do not see any violence indicated in the chart alone. I wonder if the time of birth is correct, even though it will not change the planetary picture much. The only thing I can see, and only after you pointed the negative traits, is that his Mars is retrograde and in cancer, which is prone to repressed energy releasing itself in outburst, some could be quite violent eruptions. Also, his Jupiter in 12th house may make him feeling above the law, untouchable, easy escaping troubles, god complex. But that's pretty much all.

I just looked at some notorious drug lords charts just to see what is in the charts of prominent violent characters , and no surprise at all, them having Pluto- Mars exact square and opposition.
El Chapo has a tight T-square of Moon-Mars-Pluto. very volatile emotions.
Robert Suarez Gomes has a tight opposition of Pluto to a stelium of Sun-Mars-Saturn. Very sadistic chart.
Pablo Escobar didn't have Mars-Pluto or a hard Pluto, he had a Mars-Saturn conjunction squaring Sun.

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posted September 17, 2018 02:22 AM            

Guys often feel a need to prove how "strong", " fearless " and capable they are. That no one should mess with them blah blah blah.

People join gangs for a sense of belonging. But they also join gangs because it is the "macho" association really.

So gangs often shock society by doing the outrageous. Whether its rape,murder, kidnappings etc. It matters little what it is, so long as there is a strong reaction from others enough to name them a "bad-ass".

The sad part is that they tend to push limits and see what they can get away with. So they will " dare" members to surpass each other in these acts. And often because no one member wants to stand out as "weak", they follow to try to " top" what the other is doing or has done.

Gang rape ,jumping someone as a group or even murder, can start off with a suggestion from one and the rest being scared their "manhood" will be called into question if they back out. So they follow through too.

Misguided masculinity continues to be a pervasive chip on the societal fabric and undermines peaceful relations of not only the same sex. But of both sexes.

Group mentality can fuel this type of "macho" behaviour and the most susceptible people to this stuff are guys who feel insecure about being "man" enough.

If the guy has water placements that make him a lot more "soft" or strong Neptune placements to masculine planets Sun,Mars or Jupiter. There is a tendency for that person to be sucked into false ideals and ideas of what constitutes being a man.

I see that he has Moon/Venus conjunct in Pisces and a debilitated Mars in Cancer that squares Jupiter(false bravado), Neptune (easily manipulated or influenced)

Mars in Cancer can fall into two categories ime; they can either embrace their sensitive nature and become family men. In that they use their emotional energy to serve and protect those they consider "family". And can be emotionally receptive and caring of others who show them gentleness.

The other side is that they can " reject" the above more receptive approach, bulk up and be very "macho", easily angered, distrustful and suspicious of anyone who tries to get close.

They can get fixated with how others see them and try to stomp out anything that may undermine their sensitive inner feelings by projecting an image of a cruel and sadistic person.

These types seldom forget an injury to them and can be the type to hold a grudge for a long while- especially when Pluto aspects Moon(Mars' ruler) as is the case here. Even if that vengeance they seek is murder.

All this to me represents an individual in pain and very lonely. One who is STILL asking for a world that is fair, sensitive and responds to his longings etc. Instead of BECOMING what he is asking for.

So whilst they do this, they erroneously act against their wishes and believe its the only way to survive. Thus ironically thwarting the very realization of what they deeply yearn for.

Because its not like they don't care for anyone at all; as the Mom/Aunt /Sister or even brother is usually a soft spot for them if they (person in question) represents a paternal/maternal figure to them

Its just that they fear their own demise and so every action is driven by that fear of being "found out" that they are "soft"(even if they really really are). So they will guard that image with their life as without it, they are open to obliteration.

Saturn in Aqua trine Jupiter in Libra rationalizes their actions and makes them detached from their decisions. They think it is "justified". Its the way things are etc.

This individual is likely quite articulate and bright(Sun-Merc conj in Aqua) and this can make them able to talk themselves out of being counselled by others. As they believe themselves smarter than most.

But all this energy highlighted could also be used by a businessman to build an empire. And that's the painful part. That its used in a defensive manner rather than reflective.

If he could just learn that his beliefs are just chronic thought patterns that he keeps on regurgitating, that they are NOT cast in stone or even serve him. He could do the world proud.

The problem is that there is too much focus on his masculinity, too much emphasis on " shielding" the more softer aspects of his personality (as if demonizing them).

All hyper masculinity IMO is the fear of femininity,emotional vulnerability and in the symbolic sense "Women".

Gangs in their attempt to prove that masculinity overpowers everything will antagonize its members to hate " softness" and associate that with a man's sexuality (which is a sore spot for many males).

So showing affection to other males or even recently females(oddly enough) can have homophobic labels attached to the member (regardless of who he is) and this to them is the ultimate "softness" taboo.

posted September 17, 2018 05:17 AM            

The drugs/alcohol comes from his moon in Pisces since Pisces rules these things, and has a tendency for escapist behaviour. Lots of people I know with this placement had drug or alcohol problems at least one time in their life.

He makes money “behind the scenes” or in illegal/hidden ways because his 2nd house ruler (Jupiter) is in the 12th lol again a Pisces house showing drugs, hence making money (2nd ruler) through drugs on the down low (12th house/Pisces).

posted September 17, 2018 10:57 AM            

you hit the nail on the head 100% with her personality. thank you. that was actually extremely helpful to hear because it reminded me of things that I saw clearly when we were together.

because of the things he has done, I had sort of begun to think of him as more of a sociopathic monster since we broke up.

but because of the things you said...that is why I stuck with him so long. I saw that he was SO sensitive. I am a pisces sun, and he was a lot more sensitive than me even with his pisces moon. he had major issues with what I call "pseudo-masculinity" which is mainly what you described. that false type of masculinity that only dominates bc it is stronger and more powerful. that 100% was his draw into gangs and things like that

even when he got me arrested, the reason that I went with him in that Mexico drama was because I saw that the people were PLAYING and USING him and I literally thought they would kill him if I left him. like, it was so obvious that he was being used but he couldn't see it! he was the only one out of our whole group of friends that was unable to see it. very delusional it was really sad to me.

he is definitely that type who has that extreme sensitivity that he tries to cover up with anger and violence. what you said, about being drawn to the collective strength and camaraderie of a gang is exactly why he was drawn to it. he thought it was going to make our family safer than we would be alone. I was like **** this because I saw sons of anarchy and you are going to be the B****. Our whole relationship was me writing him letters begging him to not do illegal **** because I knew he was better than that!!

it was so hard! then when I left with my daughter, he really went off the deep end and was even arrested for holding a gun to someone's head and threatening to kill them.

he is smart in some ways, like he does decently well in school, but ive never viewed him as that smart just because he is so easily manipulated. but you are right, he is able to talk himself out of pretty much anything. he is one of the best liars I have ever met.

posted September 17, 2018 10:58 AM            

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Yes, his Scorpio rising with Pluto in the 1st as well is his “dark side”. The ASC ruler the personality, the basic temperament and character. Everything else is filtered through the first house, it’s ridiculously important.
So doesn’t matter what else is going on, having such s strongly Scorpio 1st house means his basic personality is intense, highly sexual/seductive, magnetic, passionate, resourceful, secretive/private, but prone to sadistic and vengeful/petty behaviour if manifested with the negative qualities of Scorpio. Can be very sarcastic and reserved as well, or an abrasive personality.

The drugs/alcohol comes from his moon in Pisces since Pisces rules these things, and has a tendency for escapist behaviour. Lots of people I know with this placement had drug or alcohol problems at least one time in their life.

He makes money “behind the scenes” or in illegal/hidden ways because his 2nd house ruler (Jupiter) is in the 12th lol again a Pisces house showing drugs, hence making money (2nd ruler) through drugs on the down low (12th house/Pisces).

I noticed he has no fire in his chart and without much strong fire planet aspects or conjunctions to his personal planets or on angles to help compensate.
He might be prone to depression. Lack of fire can make someone very pessimistic, uninspired or enthusiastic. Or lacking confidence and initiative, this is doubled by his mars in fall and retrograde as well. He second guesses himself a lot, overthinks before he acts and has a hard time initiating things like sex as well too probably. You probably had to make the first move lol

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posted September 18, 2018 06:05 AM            

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He is totally fixated on how others see him too, spot on. I think I've told most of you but he is a Persian guy trying to be a "gangster rapper". Much of our relationship, he had huge issues with his ethnicity. One day, he was SO proud to then point where no one on Earth was superior to Persian... next he was trying to be sooo white-washed.... Now he is basically trying to come off like a black guy. Even talking with a newly-acquired accent.

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Wow. So sorry to hear that. Hopefully there is light at the end of this tunnel.

Its often the case that it is the misguided that become the sacrificial lambs. Because they believe unquestionably in an idea and believe the hype around that.

The same fanaticism I see with suicide bombers, I see with our own gangs in Cape Town. As both can demonstrate an exaggerated commitment to an ideal that even means death.

If only this same energy could be used to defend children against exploitation, women from abuse or advance human rights & dignity.

But that would mean that these same people would have to be men and demonstrate strength, leadership,protection etc.

So because they ARE NOT men but empty shells trying to emulate their own faulty external ideals of the unattainable,they don't know how to give the aforementioned.

They fall far short of being men. Because they have never thought to do the inner work and look within for guidance.

Instead we have frightened destructive Lions walking around roaring and disturbing everyone's peace because of a thorn in their foot.

And then some people (like you) may suffer injury or worse trying to remove the thorn because the Lion doesn't see that you are trying to remove the nail and not press it deeper. Sigh!

But after some time, there is only one fate for these dangerous creatures. In the interests of keeping the peace for all, they are put to death.

As what good is a Lion really when it behaves like a fox and preying on the weak and vulnerable?

Curiously, much of what I wrote earlier was actually in reference to the black American male "hyper masculine" image which the world seems to be inspired to imitate.

posted September 18, 2018 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Wow. So sorry to hear that. Hopefully there is light at the end of this tunnel.

Its often the case that it is the misguided that become the sacrificial lambs. Because they believe unquestionably in an idea and believe the hype around that.

The same fanaticism I see with suicide bombers, I see with our own gangs in Cape Town. As both can demonstrate an exaggerated commitment to an ideal that even means death.

If only this same energy could be used to defend children against exploitation, women from abuse or advance human rights & dignity.

But that would mean that these same people would have to be men and demonstrate strength, leadership,protection etc.

So because they ARE NOT men but empty shells trying to emulate their own faulty external ideals of the unattainable,they don't know how to give the aforementioned.

They fall far short of being men. Because they have never thought to do the inner work and look within for guidance.

Instead we have frightened destructive Lions walking around roaring and disturbing everyone's peace because of a thorn in their foot.

And then some people (like you) may suffer injury or worse trying to remove the thorn because the Lion doesn't see that you are trying to remove the nail and not press it deeper. Sigh!

But after some time, there is only one fate for these dangerous creatures. In the interests of keeping the peace for all, they are put to death.

As what good is a Lion really when it behaves like a fox and preying on the weak and vulnerable?

Curiously, much of what I wrote earlier was actually in reference to the black American male "hyper masculine" image which the world seems to be inspired to imitate.

This to me is the ultimate misguided archetype of men that boys(not Men) the world over seem to want to gravitate towards.

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Yes that is exactly it, exactly.

I even showed my friend this posts who knows him too and she was blown away by how spot-on it was. You hit the root of it on the head.

It’s a REALLY difficult situation to be in. He abandoned our daughter and then tried to kidnap her... Then we didn’t hear from him for a year.

Once I got a new boyfriend, now he suddenly wants visitation again, which would be fine, but my daughter really hates it and gets so upset about it!

He is the best liar i have ever seen too. I always said that he could convince you that the sky was purple.

The crazy thing is, I was NEVER drawn to this type of pseudo-masculinity! He actually didn’t show me this side of him until I was already too attached. then, once I saw it, I said “ohhh this isn’t the real him!” And of course i knew his heart was soft and weak and wanted to help him and prove his thoughts about women wrong.

posted September 18, 2018 06:02 PM            

Let's hope that for your daughters sake, this Lion remembers his inner courage that is still possible to summon. And he comes home to you, to life and to himself. For good.

All it needs is progressive detachment from external expectation and in their place, internal inspiration.

It would surely be a shame to lose all that compassionate energy(when unleashed)

Personally, I adore Pisces Moons(the evolved ones of course). So perhaps I am a little biased within that regards.