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Saggy7
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posted June 30, 2020 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saggy7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 01, 2020 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saggy7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 02, 2020 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saggy7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 05, 2020 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saggy7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 28, 2020 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Purple Lady     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Saggy:

I'm no astrologer, but I also waited a long time for my reading request to be noticed. Don't lose heart. For what it's worth (coming from a non-astrologer), you should look up the word "stellium" online--if you're not already familiar with it. You have one whopper of a stellium in your second house. Now what on earth this could mean, when the second house is shared by Sagittarius and Capricorn, don't ask me!

Also, as someone whose chart also has their Moon in the same sign as their Ascendant, I'd research that online as well. And you also have Mars in Scorpio. That seems to me almost as powerful as the stellium in the adjacent house.

I do hope someone responds. Good luck!

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posted July 28, 2020 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saggy7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 28, 2020 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reading a natal chart without a specific question to focus upon is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

It requires a lot of work/ time ... and often is of no value to the chart owner, because the concern which actually prompted the creation of the thread does not get addressed by the responder.

Hence, it is just a waste of time for everyone involved ... and very disheartening for anyone who does respond, only to discover that he/she has focused upon something that the chart owner does not want to address.

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posted July 28, 2020 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saggy7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 29, 2020 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saggy7:
Hi Graham, thanks for replying. I didn't look at it that way, thought I would welcome any kind of feedback regardless what area of my life it pertains to and then take it from there.

I am interested in the "usual"...love, career and my personality/weaknessess/strengths

With love being so important to me, I am still single and would love to have a family. Its been hard for me to find someone compatible.
Sometimes Im unsure if Im making the wrong choices in men, if im doing something wrong or if we are simply incompatible.

I am very picky and it takes a "special" kind of man to get my attention, so when that does happen and they put in the effort to get close to me, it is rare and usually results in them finally breaking down my walls, I let them in, develop feelings and it's downhill from there. (When I care, I care very deeply, complete devotion, maybe that is why things go south)

I can understand it not being my time yet, I have matured enough to be accepting of that. And I am constantly questioning myself wanting to make sure I am doing right by others etc.. so it can be a bit of a struggle in my head. From all the overthinking and analyzing. It can be hard for me to distinguish when I am being too forgiving vs too strict..

I feel like I'm writing a lot, so I'll stop at that. As you can see, I am a complicated human being



Thanks for understanding that my rant was intended to be constructive/helpful (rather than just 'letting off steam", Saggy.

I will respond on this thread asap (probably tomorrow), but suspect that you will get better responses on "finding someone compatible" if you also post that question (and your chart) on the interpersonal astrology board - which is regularly attended by the forum's most skilled relationship astrologers (who may not see your thread here/on this board).

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posted July 30, 2020 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AQUACap88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's this Venus square Jupiter thread which may explain why: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006140.html

Jupiter's effect on overindulgence and excessiveness in 'love' might be more prominent in you since you are so Sagittarius dominant which is ruled by Jupiter.

I'd think Pluto conjunct Moon and Ascendant giving you an 'intense' but 'magnetic' personality.

I'm not sure but maybe there is a conflict in personalities. The way you feel (Moon- Scorpio) and the way you act (Mars- Scorpio) being very different from the way you actually are (Sagittarius).

So maybe you have the tendency of over-reacting i.e in the moment you feel this intensely so you act it out, but afterwards upon reflecting you realised the way you acted was out of character and is not who you are, as you reel in horror?

I'm sure Graham can give you great insights ❤️

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posted July 30, 2020 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ruler of the natal 7th house is Venus, which is in Capricorn/3rd; forms a learning triangle with Jupiter plus your Sagittarius/2nd house stellium; makes another learning triangle with NN plus Chiron and is in a stimulation triangle with Chiron plus the Sagittarius/2nd house stellium. ...So, complex relationships R us - and unpacking these astrological indicators will also be complicated (so bear with me if/when I appear to be going "off-topic", and refer to you as the chart owner).
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1. When the ruler of the 7th is in the 3rd and afflicted, the partner may dominate the chart-owner's thoughts/ideas - and is likely to be from the same ethnic, social or geographic background.

2. The Sagittarius/2nd stellium consists of Sun, Mercury, Saturn, Uranus - and will be modified by its conjunction with Neptune (in Capricorn/2nd).

3. The Sun and Mercury aspects to Saturn, Uranus plus Neptune personalises the (otherwise) generational influences of the latter 3 planets. ... Thus, the chart owner is likely to be a "poster child" for the evolutionary objectives of Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.

4. Venus adds to this personalisation, via its semi-sextiles to Saturn and Uranus.

5. Jupiter is able to use all planets in the 2nd + 3rd houses for its own Aries/5th house purpose ... because Saturn rules the planets in Capricorn, and Jupiter rules those in Sagittarius (including Saturn).

6. Ultimately though, everything in this natal chart is being used to achieve the purposes of 1st house Mars and 12th house Pluto ... because these Scorpio planets/rulers disposit all other planets in the chart. ... [This is particularly significant - because Mars is the primary ruler of the chart, and Pluto is poised to step into that role if/when the chart owner is "ready".]

7. There is a very close-orbed connection of harmonic aspects between the chart ruler (Mars), the ego/concious self (Sun) and the unconscious mind (Neptune). ... Sun-Neptune = 31H = open to unconscious desires ... Mars-Neptune = 7H = inspiration/intuition ... Sun-Mars = 9H = joy (in expressing, or acting upon, Neptune intuition/unconscious desires?)

8. The lesson of the NN-Chiron-Venus learning triangle is likely to be learned earlier than that of the Jupiter-Venus-Stellium learning triangle. ... In both cases though, the theme/experiences will recur for as long as it takes the chart owner to learn the lesson.

9. The issue of the Stimulation Triangle (aka irritation triangle) is indicated by the opposition aspect, and likely to have produced experiences that has made the chart owner painfully aware of what it is.
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I now need feedback from you, Saggy ... about what you (from experience) consider to be the issues of the stimulation triangle, and the two learning triangles.


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Chiron in Gemini = "a deep-seated feeling of being unable to communicate with others, verbally inept, unable to fit in socially, unintelligent and/or unable to see the connections between one thing and another. The hidden feeling of being uneducated or stupid compared to others. The feeling of not being up with the times." ... (Extracted from CHIRON, by Martin Lass.)

NN in Pisces = "Here, as a result of many lifetimes, the person starts to realise her own rigidity. She is aware of her patterns, and how much they hurt her; yet finds them difficult to let go of. ...... She must learn how to stop seeing herself as separate from the rest of the world." ... (Extracted from KARMIC ASTROLOGY, by Martin Schulman.)]

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posted August 01, 2020 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saggy7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 02, 2020 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Initially posted by Saggy7 :

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Hi Graham,

I am still struggling to fully comprehend all of this considering I don't know what a lot of it means. Im sorry 🥺

If it wouldn't be too much of a bother for you..is there any way to simplify it so that someone like me could understand these aspects and triangles better?

If not, it is okay and thank you either way.


Don't try to understand it yet, Saggy. (They are only a list of what I need to take into account.) ... You just have to feedback here whatever you can recall happening when each of the triangles were activated by transit Saturn. ... So, let's start with the Stimulation triangle (Stellium-Venus-Chiron) :-

1. Stimulation triangle (Stellium-Venus-Chiron) ... activated by transit Saturn's conjunction to natal Chiron from 3rd to 25th August 2002 : 1st to 25th December 2002 and 21st April to 10th May 2003.

2. Stimulation triangle (Stellium-Venus-Chiron) ... activated by transit Saturn's square to natal Chiron from 27th February to 14th March 1996.

3. Activated by transit Saturn's conjunction to natal Venus from 23rd March to 16th June 1990 and from 16th to 31st December 1990.

Are you able to remember anything about what was happening in your life during (any) of the dates/periods when the triangle was activated by those transits of Saturn? (Perhaps some, or all, of them were too early in life for you to be able to recall them now ... but it will help me to know which of them you can and cannot currently recall.)

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posted August 02, 2020 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saggy7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 03, 2020 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is ok to now delete the information which you are currently able to recall, Saggy. ... I have what I need.

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posted August 03, 2020 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stimulation triangles consist of an opposition between two planets, with a third planet making a qcx to one of them and a semi-sextile to the other. The opposition describes the issue being addressed by the triangle; the qcx creates events which make the chart owner painfully aware of that issue and the semi-sextile seeks to resolve it via the qualities of the third planet and its sign + house.

So ... if Chiron was opposing only the Sun (rather than the stellium) ... the issue would be that the Chiron wound is hindering self-expression (Sun), by creating a feeling that you lack the qualities required to express yourself well ... and down-to-earth (Capricorn) relationships (Venus) within the local community (3rd house) would provide the feedback needed by you (the chart owner) to recognise that this feeling is not warranted.

However ... Chiron is actually opposing all of the planets in the Sagittarius stellium (Sun, Mercury, Saturn and Uranus). ... Thus "wounding" the behavioural traits associated with them (see-expression, thinking/communicating, self-discipline and originality). ... Hence, when events are created by progressions and transits to the natal Stimulation Triangle, they may involve just one of those traits or a combination of them - making it difficult to clearly see (and recall) the "lesson" of that progression or transit.

Nevertheless, it should be helpful to know that your relationships provide opportunities for you to become aware of the wound inflicted (during childhood/adolescence) by Chiron-in-Gemini/3rd.

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posted August 04, 2020 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Knowing that the planets in the Sagittarius stellium are not yet "acting as one", we can now attempt to analyse the natal learning triangle it forms with Jupiter and Venus.

Here, we can first consider how it might manifest if Jupiter and Venus were in contact only with Mercury (rather than the whole stellium) ... which would result in you using relationships (Venus) as a mechanism for learning (Jupiter) how your ideas and way of communicating (Mercury) are seen by others.

The Mercury-Jupiter trine is intellectually (Mercury) seeking (Sagittarius) to acquire (2nd house) happiness/contentment (Jupiter) from passionate (Aries) romantic lovers (5th house).

That aim is hindered by your cautious (Capricorn) communication style (3rd house) in relationships (Venus). ... But, it can be overcome by reflecting mindfully upon the feedback you receive from relationships (Venus semi-sextile Mercury).

So ... can you see how the other planets in the stellium (Sun/self-expression, Saturn/self-discipline and Uranus/individuality) might manifest in this learning triangle with Jupiter and Venus?

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posted August 04, 2020 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

With the Venus-Chiron-NN learning triangle, relationships are being used to make you aware that the Chiron wound is hindering the achievement of your North Node objectives.

Those Pisces/4th house objectives are to stop seeing yourself as separate from the rest of the world, and to learn that "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. ... But the Gemini/8th Chiron wound is hidden deep within the subconscious, and its mantra is "you can (and MUST) do better". ... And (via relationships) Venus in Capricorn/3rd is countering that mantra with "let's hang on" ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah3acPTSzbk

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posted August 06, 2020 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saggy7:
Hi Graham! Sorry, I have been busy with work.

What exactly would this last sentence mean? Stick it through in relationships?


" ... Its been hard for me to find someone compatible. ... And I am constantly questioning myself wanting to make sure I am doing right by others etc.. so it can be a bit of a struggle in my head. From all the overthinking and analyzing. It can be hard for me to distinguish when I am being too forgiving vs too strict.." ... (From an earlier reply by you, on this thread.)

Please describe the kind of person that you would find compatible.

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