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Valmu83
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posted September 15, 2020 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have a problem that has been going on since I was a child. I have been rejected first by my father, who was mentally ill and sometimes violent and then he disappeared inside his illness completely. Before that he was loving father. I lived through period of enormous anxiety (Pluto Conjunct Moon) when I was 9 or 10 because of that. And since that I have been rejected by every male I try to offer my love. I have been truly dating ones and it was very short term relationship that ended by him cheating me and leaving me.

I’m pretty hopeless because of this as I’m 37 and would like to have family of my own. Currently this issue has been bothering to me more and I basically cry everyday.

I have been psychotherapy before. It lasted 3 years and it was good but didn’t resolve this issue. Now I went to schema therapy and I really hope it would change things. Next year there will be Saturn conjunct my Moon transit etc. Needless to say I’m not looking forward to it. But how much worse it could be anymore. So I’m not actually afraid.

I was asking in another thread what progressed Venus trine Neptune could bring to me. And Graham suggested that I would open this thread about my natal Sun, Venus, Moon, Saturn and Pluto configuration. It might shed light to my 5th house rejection issue. I would appreciate any help but most of all advices what to do in real live to heal and to have partnership.

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posted September 15, 2020 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Valmu.

I have posted your chart below, with only the Sun-Saturn-Moon aspects drawn ... because (in the Huber School of Astrology) those planets symbolise Father-Mother-Child/chart-owner.

How these relate to each other (astrologically) is called "the family model" ... and you will need to know how that works, in order to put-into-context the comments I shall be making on this thread.

So ... please FIRST read the article at http://astrologicalpsychology.org/wp-content/uploads/Family_Model.pdf ... and THEN come back here to read the comments which (hopefully) I shall have made in the meantime.


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First, we need to post your chart image again ... in the Huber Style, which uses Koch Houses (rather than Placidus) :-

With regard to the linked Family Model article, note that :-

01. Sun, Saturn, Moon are all at the low-energy-point of their signs and the high-energy point of their house.

02. Saturn and Moon are at exactly the same level in the family hierarchy, and Sun is at a higher level.

03. All 3 planets are making major/ptolemaic aspects to each other.

04. Moon makes a positive aspect to Saturn, but a negative aspect to Sun.

05. The Sun-Saturn aspect (relationship) is positive.

06. Moon is in 5th house - of children, romance, creativity and anything else that chart owners would "defend until dead".

07. Sun is in Leo/11th, on cusp of 12th ... (So, what message from father is being picked up subjectively by daughter?)

08. Saturn is in Libra/2nd ... (So, what message from mother is being picked up subjectively by daughter?)

09. Cancer and Capricorn are intercepted/"imprisoned" - so Moon/Saturn cannot act/express through the 10th/4th house.

10. The 11th/5th house axis is over-emphasised, indicating that an issue in the 11th+5th houses is adversely affecting the activities of the 12th+6th houses.
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[ Question for you to reflect upon, Valmu :-

"During childhood and adolescence, which adult(s) actually undertook the father and mother mentoring roles? ... Your biological parent(s)? ... Some teacher(s)? ... Some other loved-and-respected adult(s)?"
http://jshopewell.com/2020/01/25/nature-v-nurture/ ]

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posted September 17, 2020 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We also need the Dynamical Evaluation data for your Huber Style natal chart. ... Astrodienst/astro.com provide this in the Additional Tables for the chart, and your's is :-

The scores for signs relate to your NATURE and those for houses relate to NURTURE. ... So, this table evaluates the extent to which the behavioural traits that you were born with (nature) are being impelled/"pressurised" to change by people in your environment (nurture).

Difference scores below +5 and/or above +25 indicate stressful areas of life. ... Scores below +5 indicate that those in your environment want you to display less of a behavioural trait which comes naturally to you - whilst those over +25 indicate that others want you to display more of a behavioural trait which does not come naturally to you. ... And both create stress, because the chart owner's natural behaviour/self is being rejected by his/her society.

So ... with that in mind ... note that you are being impelled to build-up/display more of the cardinal/fixed/mutable qualities of both Earth and Water --- but those in your environment (such as 5th/7th house partners) are particularly wanting you to display more water/emotion/feelings, which is a difficult/uncomfortable thing for you to do.

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posted September 17, 2020 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Have you managed to work through the paper at http://astrologicalpsychology.org/wp-content/uploads/Family_Model.pdf ... And, if yes, do you need any further input from me on this thread?

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posted September 17, 2020 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you! I’m currently ill and I have to read it with thought later. I only took a peek for now. But is seems interesting. I haven’t heard about this before and this chart type is also unfamiliar to me. But those relationships between moon, sun and Saturn seem to be as they have been with my parents.

All but one is stressful ?
“ note that you are being impelled to build-up/display more of the cardinal/fixed/mutable qualities of both Earth and Water” -what are those?

It has been difficult for me to express my feelings. And when I have expressed, when i was child and now as an adult, It didn’t solve anything. I’m still being rejected and it makes me feel in not good enough, I’m not important and that I have to cope by myself :/ so there haven’t been any reward for opening up, only more sorrow. it feels Like heavy burden. (That wound is one thing that I’m trying to solve in therapy) But I will be back later when I feel better.

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posted September 17, 2020 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I shall keep an eye on the thread ... in case you want some further input from me when you are well again.

The Sun/father and Moon/child roles in this family dynamic do seem to reflect your childhood situation ... but I think Saturn/mother (and her relationship with Sun/father after he became ill) may be where you need to look for "feeling powerless to stop the man I love from leaving me".

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All but one is stressful ?
“ note that you are being impelled to build-up/display more of the cardinal/fixed/mutable qualities of both Earth and Water” -what are those?


Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn and Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces qualities.

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posted September 21, 2020 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Graham:
First, we need to post your chart image again ... in the Huber Style, which uses Koch Houses (rather than Placidus) :-

With regard to the linked [b]Family Model article, note that :-

01. Sun, Saturn, Moon are all at the low-energy-point of their signs and the high-energy point of their house.

02. Saturn and Moon are at exactly the same level in the family hierarchy, and Sun is at a higher level.

03. All 3 planets are making major/ptolemaic aspects to each other.

04. Moon makes a positive aspect to Saturn, but a negative aspect to Sun.

05. The Sun-Saturn aspect (relationship) is positive.

06. Moon is in 5th house - of children, romance, creativity and anything else that chart owners would "defend until dead".

07. Sun is in Leo/11th, on cusp of 12th ... (So, what message from father is being picked up subjectively by daughter?)

08. Saturn is in Libra/2nd ... (So, what message from mother is being picked up subjectively by daughter?)

09. Cancer and Capricorn are intercepted/"imprisoned" - so Moon/Saturn cannot act/express through the 10th/4th house.

10. The 11th/5th house axis is over-emphasised, indicating that an issue in the 11th+5th houses is adversely affecting the activities of the 12th+6th houses.
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[ Question for you to reflect upon, Valmu :-

"During childhood and adolescence, which adult(s) actually undertook the father and mother mentoring roles? ... Your biological parent(s)? ... Some teacher(s)? ... Some other loved-and-respected adult(s)?"
http://jshopewell.com/2020/01/25/nature-v-nurture/ ] [/B]


Thank you Graham! I did read that article and it was quite interesting.

01. I´m not sure how this would play out? Planets can´t function right? I didn´t have parental models? Don´t know how high-energy point will work anyway. Sound unstable in any case.

07. Maybe carefree attitude. I inherited his special inner world that made me artist. His friends took also advantage of him. I have his sense of humor.

08. Life is hard. Pessimistic attitude toward life. But she was also stable.

09. I found this from web: "Cancer-Capricorn intercepted: you weren't allowed to be emotionally open or active." And its exactly what been happening all the time. But I have ability to feel, my feelings are very strong. And maybe this is why I don´t want to make art anymore (10th house career) as my emotional foundation (4th house) is shaken as I´m so disappointed.

10. I think this is fine and I can cope with this axis better than before. I care deeply about being truthful and about being treated fairly. But I also feel I´m well liked by my friends, co-workers etc. And I can win people over with my sunny personality. But I think my 6th house is stronger than my 12th house and I´m working too hard, taking pressure and are not relaxing, not having fun or taking care of myself. I have again burn out. Im actually going to see doctor tomorrow because of this. But i don´t see this as a problem that i can´t handle. I think i have keys to this, unlike why I´m constantly rejected by men.

Question for you to reflect upon:

Mostly mother as father was so severely sick so early. But mom was angry all the time (when dads illness was most severe before his hospitalization, timespan 2-3 years) and could give warmth only sometimes.

I had a grandmother who moved without telling elsewhere. She lived in the same house and was very close. I felt she rejected me and i was only 6 years old.

So thank you, it was interesting! But I´m not sure how this is related to my lovelife issues? And what to do?

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posted September 21, 2020 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Graham:
We also need the [b]Dynamical Evaluation data for your Huber Style natal chart. ... Astrodienst/astro.com provide this in the Additional Tables for the chart, and your's is :-

So ... with that in mind ... note that you are being impelled to build-up/display more of the cardinal/fixed/mutable qualities of both Earth and Water --- but those in your environment (such as 5th/7th house partners) are particularly wanting you to display more water/emotion/feelings, which is a difficult/uncomfortable thing for you to do. [/B]


But why then when I pull myself together and try to show my emotions, I´m being rejected? Why I feel I´m not as important to my friend as my friend is to me? This has happened already when I was child and now too when I´m adult. Why I´m being rejected by my romantic interests when I talk about my emotions? How to break this cycle?


I would like to show my feelings more. Its difficult for me but I try. Like now, during this past 9 months, i have revealed my feelings to my friend two times. That I´m in love with him but he won´t care. I’m confused as it won’t help that I show my feelings?

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posted September 22, 2020 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Valmu83 :-

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01. I´m not sure how this would play out? Planets can´t function right? I didn´t have parental models? Don´t know how high-energy point will work anyway. Sound unstable in any case.

It is clear (from your posts here and on other threads) that you had a great deal of love and respect for your parents + grandmother. And all respected-and-loved-adults play a part in the parental role model which conditions us in childhood/adolescence.

In Huber astrology, a high-energy planet indicates a behavioural trait that is highly-visible to others (although we may not be aware of it ourself). So, in your chart, the high energy of Sun/Moon/Saturn is indicating childhood conditioned behavioural traits


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07. Maybe carefree attitude. I inherited his special inner world that made me artist. His friends took also advantage of him. I have his sense of humour.

Yes. ... He conditioned your approach to "succeeding in the outside world". ... (And perhaps your grandmother also played a part in that.)

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08. Life is hard. Pessimistic attitude toward life. But she was also stable.

But ... what message did she deliver about "being accepted/rejected by the man I love"?

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09. I found this from web: "Cancer-Capricorn intercepted: you weren't allowed to be emotionally open or active." And its exactly what been happening all the time. But I have ability to feel, my feelings are very strong. And maybe this is why I don´t want to make art anymore (10th house career) as my emotional foundation (4th house) is shaken as I'm so disappointed.

Are feelings and emotions the same thing for you? ... For example, when your father was taken advantage of by others, what emotion(s) did you "feel" - and how did you express them?


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10. I think this is fine and I can cope with this axis better than before. I care deeply about being truthful and about being treated fairly. But I also feel I´m well liked by my friends, co-workers etc. And I can win people over with my sunny personality. But I think my 6th house is stronger than my 12th house and I´m working too hard, taking pressure and are not relaxing, not having fun or taking care of myself. I have again burn out. Im actually going to see doctor tomorrow because of this. But i don´t see this as a problem that i can´t handle. I think i have keys to this, unlike why I´m constantly rejected by men.

Working too hard; not relaxing; not having fun; not taking care of myself and (repeated) burn-out = NOT "coping with this axis" ... and not-coping-with-this-axis may be WHY you are "constantly rejected by men".


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Mostly mother (parented/mentored me) as father was so severely sick so early. But mom was angry all the time (when dads illness was most severe before his hospitalization, timespan 2-3 years) and could give warmth only sometimes.

You were conscious of your mother's influence, but might your father have been the stronger influence - since children (subconsciously) notice/"log" what is done by/to a loved-and-respected adult?

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I had a grandmother who moved without telling elsewhere. She lived in the same house and was very close. I felt she rejected me and i was only 6 years old.

And ... in doing that ... what message did she deliver to you (about being rejected by those you love unconditionally)?

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I´m not sure how this is related to my lovelife issues? And what to do?

The first step is to identify your childhood conditioned behavioural traits, and (with the help of your therapist) review them through your adult eyes. ... That will reveal what you need to change (in yourself) to avoid being rejected in the future.

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posted September 22, 2020 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Originally posted by Valmu83 :-

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But why then when I pull myself together and try to show my emotions, I´m being rejected? Why I feel I´m not as important to my friend as my friend is to me? This has happened already when I was child and now too when I´m adult. Why I´m being rejected by my romantic interests when I talk about my emotions? How to break this cycle?


I would like to show my feelings more. Its difficult for me but I try. Like now, during this past 9 months, i have revealed my feelings to my friend two times. That I´m in love with him but he won´t care. I’m confused as it won’t help that I show my feelings?


Before replying to this, my instinct tells me that we need to clarify what each of us means by "feelings" and "emotions". (So, I am awaiting your definition of these two words/behaviours.)

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posted September 25, 2020 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Graham:
Originally posted by Valmu83 :-

Are feelings and emotions the same thing for you? ... For example, when your father was taken advantage of by others, what emotion(s) did you "feel" - and how did you express them?


Well in my language those words are synonyms. But okay you mean emotional state like anger, love, sadness, shame? And Feelings are more specific?

I´m not sure what I felt. It is better to give up yourself? I was so young. I was more confused as this was my mothers opinion. I felt that my father was a good friend and generous. And that is right way to treat people. And I didn't see clearly how he was taken advantaged. I think it is better to be kind and if people prove themselves unreliable, one can draw boundaries afterwards. I think now he was not probably so important to them, i feel sadness and compassion. I don´t think that i expressed my feelings at all.

But when my father came back from mental institution I was very hostile towards him. I don't think there was no genuine intimacy between us after that. I didn't trust him anymore. And he didn't try to reach me or explain things. It was my way to protect myself.

quote:

Working too hard; not relaxing; not having fun; not taking care of myself and (repeated) burn-out = NOT "coping with this axis" ... and not-coping-with-this-axis may be WHY you are "constantly rejected by men".[/b]

Well you are right but at least I'm aware of this habit and I'm trying to do something about it. Like put myself first. Like now I am sick leave for two weeks. Its still hard to see how it would be related to my men issues to point it would block them completely.


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You were conscious of your mother's influence, but might your father have been the stronger influence - since children (subconsciously) notice/"log" what is done by/to a loved-and-respected adult?[/B][/QUOTE]


Well yes as he was violent towards me. My dad was loving parent before he fell ill. Then he disappeared to his illness and then he died. He didn't try to reach me.

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And ... in doing that ... what message did she deliver to you (about being rejected by those you love unconditionally)?


Its really hard for me to get bottom of that. Maybe that people are unreliable. But i remember that i didn't cry or get any temper tantrums. I went more inwards and felt i can't do anything about it.

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The first step is to identify your childhood conditioned behavioural traits, and (with the help of your therapist) review them through your adult eyes. ... That will reveal what you need to change (in yourself) to avoid being rejected in the future. [/B]

Yes, that I'm doing currently in therapy

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posted September 25, 2020 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Graham:

Originally posted by Valmu83 :-

Before replying to this, my instinct tells me that we need to clarify what each of us means by "feelings" and "emotions". (So, I am awaiting your definition of these two words/behaviours.)


I replied to this in a previous post But yeah its bit harder to distinguish these things when speaking a foreign language

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posted September 26, 2020 05:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Valmu83 :-

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But why then when I pull myself together and try to show my emotions, I´m being rejected? Why I feel I´m not as important to my friend as my friend is to me? This has happened already when I was child and now too when I´m adult. Why I´m being rejected by my romantic interests when I talk about my emotions? How to break this cycle?

1. Might you feel "not as important to your friend as your friend is to you" because that is the model given to you as a child by your father's relationship with his friends?

2. When you show your emotions (as an adult), do you expect to be rejected (because that is what happened when you were a child)?

3. Think about the last time you talked about your emotions to a romantic interest, and imagine that you were receiving rather than delivering the talk. ... How would you have reacted to the words you spoke, and the way in you expressed them?


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I would like to show my feelings more. Its difficult for me but I try. Like now, during this past 9 months, i have revealed my feelings to my friend two times. That I´m in love with him but he won´t care. I’m confused as it won’t help that I show my feelings?

Imagine you were him on those two occasions. ... How would you have reacted - and why would you have reacted that way?

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posted September 27, 2020 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Graham:
Originally posted by Valmu83 :-

Imagine you were him on those two occasions. ... How would [b]you have reacted - and why would you have reacted that way?[/B]


1. It might be one reason. Also I have felt that they don’t want to see my feelings. I have to be the strong one and help them with their problems. And there is no room for my problems. And I ended two friendships because of this about 8 years ago. But now I have friendships that are more balanced.

2. Subconsciously maybe. Because it has happened so many times..that is almost everytime. I feel I don’t have any hope. That my love won’t be returned by the people I love.

3. Well I tried many times until there was actually enough room for me to talk about my feelings to him. I tried to arrange meetings, tried to be alone with him. There were always something that stopped me to tell like unexpected extra person or situation changed..he couldn’t come etc. I felt universe was stopping me literally..I feel that very often. So eventually situation wasn’t so great, my mood was not hopeful. But I I don’t think there were problem how I expressed my feelings. It is just that his Life situation Is complicated. But it is also so that I’m not important enough to him =he don’t want to make any changes for me. I think he reacted that way cause he felt that it was right thing to do towards his children. But again, I can understand that, but it won’t change that im not important person to him. I also feel that he is lying about this feelings to me. Maybe because it is easy way out. I feel this too very often with men. And I think he is taking advantage of my kindness and my emotional support. He is too only taking and don’t want to give anything in return.

So when I show my emotions and reveal my feelings I’m still rejected. My main question is how to change this.


Btw I noticed that last year my age point were at the same degree and minute than 7th house cusp. I fell in love and were rejected twice by same person. What was that supposed to be?

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{{Valmu... I'm sending you HUGS!!!}}
This is pretty rough, and you're awesome!
{{Want you to KNOW that. }}

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Btw I noticed that last year my age point were at the same degree and minute than 7th house cusp. I fell in love and were rejected twice by same person. What was that supposed to be?

Well spotted. ... The 7th house cusp is where the Age Point of the natal chart (present) is conjunct the Age Point of the moon node chart (past) ... So, "where/when we become conscious (in the present) of the baggage we are carrying (from the past)".

With that in mind, Valmu ... would you say that this man is "emotionally unavailable" - in the way that your father's illness, and your grandmother's departure, made them unavailable/inaccessible?

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posted September 28, 2020 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
{{Valmu... I'm sending you HUGS!!!}}
This is pretty rough, and you're awesome!
{{Want you to KNOW that. }}

Thank you 😊 ❤️

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posted September 28, 2020 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well spotted. ... The 7th house cusp is where the Age Point of the natal chart (present) is conjunct the Age Point of the moon node chart (past) ... So, "where/when we become conscious (in the present) of the baggage we are carrying (from the past)".

I went back to therapy last spring so I feel this is true. I think my problems are more clear to me now.


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With that in mind, Valmu ... would you say that this man is "emotionally unavailable" - in the way that your father's illness, and your grandmother's departure, made them unavailable/inaccessible? [/B]

Yes I would say so and also I feel I don’t have any way to change the situation.

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Yes I would say so and also I feel I don’t have any way to change the situation.

If he cannot give you what you want ... why are you "with" him, rather than seeking someone who can give you what you want?

Is he the ill father whom the loyal daughter could never leave, but always knew that he would be leaving her?

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posted September 28, 2020 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valmu83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well i was not very loyal. I feared and rejected my father after he came back home first time and kept my emotional distance after that until he died. And I did “leave“ when my parents divorced (I asked them to divorce actually. But of course it is not the main reason for the divorce.) and again when I moved to another city to secondary school.

I think I might have avoidant or fearful-avoidant attachment style, if you are familiar with attachment style theory.” There’s a desire to be close, but a difficulty building trust and trusting one’s instincts about who is safe and not safe. In practice, we see individuals with this attachment style alternating between dating individuals who aren’t safe and running away from interested individuals who are.“ I relate to that. So I think I’m attached to him because my crooked brains want to solve this issue even though it will only bring more sorrow and new trauma experience.

Maybe I can’t find answers how to heal from astrology.

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posted September 30, 2020 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well i was not very loyal. I feared and rejected my father after he came back home first time and kept my emotional distance after that until he died. And I did “leave“ when my parents divorced (I asked them to divorce actually. But of course it is not the main reason for the divorce.) and again when I moved to another city to secondary school.

I think I might have avoidant or fearful-avoidant attachment style, if you are familiar with attachment style theory.” There’s a desire to be close, but a difficulty building trust and trusting one’s instincts about who is safe and not safe. In practice, we see individuals with this attachment style alternating between dating individuals who aren’t safe and running away from interested individuals who are.“ I relate to that. So I think I’m attached to him because my crooked brains want to solve this issue even though it will only bring more sorrow and new trauma experience.

Maybe I can’t find answers how to heal from astrology.


Your Huber Age Point progressed through (Pisces) the most stressful sign in natal chart/dynamical-evaluation-table (build-up + 65) from 18th September 2013 to 2nd January 2020 ... and will make a trine with your natal Uranus in January 2021 (followed by a trine to natal Mars in April 2021) - arriving at the balanced energy point of your 7th house in December 2021.

So ... my guess is that you have already ascertained/identified how to heal this rejection issue ... and will be working through it with your therapist (and perhaps on this forum) during the next year or so.

It may/does not seem that way yet ... because your Huber Age Point has only recently emerged from Pisces ... but, for you, "the times, they are a-changing".

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Thanks Graham!!thank you god that Pisces time is over. I have suffered about depression this whole time and rigged relationships. But depression began earlier..around 2008-2009. So I don’t know I can rid of that.

Would you say those aspect to Uranus and Mars will be stressful? And what to expect when it reaches balanced energy point.

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Thanks Graham!!thank you god that Pisces time is over. I have suffered about depression this whole time and rigged relationships. But depression began earlier..around 2008-2009. So I don’t know I can rid of that.

Would you say those aspect to Uranus and Mars will be stressful? And what to expect when it reaches balanced energy point.

My progressed Venus will trine soon Neptune. I guess I can’t wait that to bring anything positive to my live love wise.

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Originally posted by Valmu83:
Thanks Graham!!thank you god that Pisces time is over. I have suffered about depression this whole time and rigged relationships. But depression began earlier..around 2008-2009. So I don’t know I can rid of that.

Would you say those aspect to Uranus and Mars will be stressful? And what to expect when it reaches balanced energy point.

My progressed Venus will trine soon Neptune. I guess I can’t wait that to bring anything positive to my live love wise.


The trines to Uranus and Mars will stimulate you, rather than create an unhealthy level of stress. ... And, when the Age point reaches the balance point of your 7th house, the rejection issue may be (or already have been) resolved.

Progressed Venus has made a trine your natal Neptune since your 32nd birthday, and continues to do so until age 39. ... So, that 7 years period is reinforcing the progression of the Age Point (from the balance-point of the 6th house to the low-point of the 7th house). ... In effect, the Venus progression is lifting the natal Neptune veil created by your experiences in childhood/adolescence.

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