posted October 14, 2020 02:55 PM            

Wondered if what I'm seeing in charts makes sense. If your 12th house and 1st house are ruled by the same planet and that planet falls into your first house, people tend to see you as you really are?

If someone's 1st house planet has all positive aspects to it, people tend to see them more positively, but if the ruler of their 12th house has a lot of negative aspects to it, please don't usually see that part of them, because it tends to be hidden. Does this observation sound right?

posted October 15, 2020 12:27 AM            

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If your 12th house and 1st house are ruled by the same planet and that planet falls into your first house, people tend to see you as you really are?

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In Rulers of the Horoscope, Alan Oken states "should the 12th house ruler be the same planet as the ruler of the horoscope and located in the first, watch for immediate karmic returns". Thus, others do indeed tend to see such people as they really are - because the karmic consequences of their actions are almost instantaneous. (As an example, Alan Oken asserts that those with Neptune square a 1st house Mercury ruler of the 12th are immediately caught out if they attempt to lie.)

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If someone's 1st house planet has all positive aspects to it, people tend to see them more positively,

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but if the ruler of their 12th house has a lot of negative aspects to it, people don't usually see that part of them, because it tends to be hidden.

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Rather than being hidden, I am (and have always been) perceived by others as a poster-child for the habitual/instinctive behaviour manifested by those 3 natal chart contacts with Mercury.

However ... my Mercury is in natal 2nd (rather than 1st) ... so it impacts upon my self-worth ("reputation, as perceived by oneself" ) rather than upon my self-image.

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Does this observation sound right?

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posted October 15, 2020 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Springtimeflower:
Okay, on the 12th house and 1st house on how others perceive someone and the negative aspects to the 12th house ruler...then it must be the transit of Neptune now in Pisces transiting their 7th house..like having a smoke screen...interestingly enough, the chart I'm thinking of has the ascendant to same degree of Leo as the current U.S. President. I'm thinking that once Neptune exits their 7th house, people as a whole will see them more clearly. They have Mercury in Leo (no positive aspects to this planet) in the 12th square Neptune in Scorpio in 4th...their natal moon in Taurus in the 10th squares Mercury and opposes their neptune in 4th....Positives are made to their neptune and moon..

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Taurus Moon is exalted; Leo Mercury is in fall; Scorpio Neptune is uncomfortable ... whilst transit Neptune is currently "at home" in Pisces, but unhappy in both the 7th and 8th houses.

posted October 15, 2020 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
This is very interesting! I have my 12th house ruler and 1st house ruler (sun & moon) conjunct in my 1st house. This both squares my mars in the 10th house with a pretty close orb. I wonder how that plays into how people portray me? I feel like sometimes I give off a bad 1st impression or aggressive vibe unintentionally especially at work but that could be purely mars in 10th house.

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You have a natal Moon-Mars square that becomes a temporary Thor's Hammer whenever planets progress or transit through 8Capricorn33 to 10Capricorn33 ... And both your Uranus/Neptune midpoint (at 8Capricorn59) and Placidus 6th house cusp (at 8Capricorn15) are also activated at that time.

Might that temporary configuration be causing you to sometimes "give off a bad impression"?

posted October 15, 2020 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
You have a natal Moon-Mars square that becomes a temporary [b]Thor's Hammer whenever planets progress or transit through 8Capricorn33 to 10Capricorn33 ... And both your Uranus/Neptune midpoint (at 8Capricorn59) and Placidus 6th house cusp (at 8Capricorn15) are also activated at that time.

Might that temporary configuration be causing you to sometimes "give off a bad impression"?

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Thanks for the response Graham!

Yes that very well could be! I’m not too sure what a Thor’s hammer is or how it effects a person. And never thought of transits triggering this that is causing bad impressions so thank you for pointing that out. I think Venus on ASC does tend to hide some of the negative aspects in my chart though.

posted October 15, 2020 03:53 PM            

In the past they were almost passive..you could be on the phone with them and they would say nothing..others noticed it, too...now they are more aggressive towards others at times..never could understand them.

Thank you again for the info...

You are so right about the 12th house and 1st house being ruled by the same planet and karmic stuff (I make it a point to follow rules and laws)...I'm seeing the results of transiting neptune trining my natal mars..believing untruths from others..

Will be glad when transiting pluto finishes it's transit of my natal saturn (it already passed my ascendant)..activating the slander I've read about with having a natal mercury squared by Saturn.

This Mars transit hasn't been easy for me either..opposing my natal mercury and squaring ascendant/saturn/jupiter conjunction in Capricorn...The parent I take care of has their natal mars 23 or 24 deg in Aries, so having her here with me reinforces some of that it seems. I'm guessing the release will come when it trines my natal Uranus/NN/Regulus conjunction in Leo in the 7th house at around the end of the year. I've been helping my parents off and on for years.

I didn't have the usual upheaval, though, that some seem to have when pluto went over my ascendant...think it's because my 1st and 7th house cusps trine the 4th and 10th cusps.

posted October 16, 2020 03:28 AM            

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In the past they were almost passive..you could be on the phone with them and they would say nothing..others noticed it, too...now they are more aggressive towards others at times

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posted October 17, 2020 11:20 AM            

Thank you. You are very knowledgeable and good at astrology.