posted November 11, 2020 10:59 AM            

Can someone help me to understand my T-square and how to balance it? I’m try to find practical advices.

posted November 12, 2020 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

What is [b]your[b] current interpretation/understanding of how this T-square manifests in your life, Valmu?

And how do you relate this to the event(s) created by the transit of Mercury through 1Scorpio00 to 3Scorpio47 - which activated the T-square (in 2020) on 28+29+30 September; 1st October; 25+26+27 October ... and is doing so currently (on 12+13+14 November?

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That´s difficult question. I mostly feel Venus-Chiron square and I have experience that love hurts. Not able to find balanced relationship. As Venus is retrograde and 12th house cusp it might made it even worse.

I have never understood what 9th house Chiron might be in my case. I don´t have big issues with religion or higher education. I found problematic that my mom taught me that sex and love should only happen in marriage. But that is not the root of my problems. Its more like i don´t have enough trust to men that i could enter into relationship that is intimate.

Jupiter third house...i don´t know.. Always had problems to tell about my inner feelings. But I wrote letters to my parents when I was child and mails to my friends when I was young adult. But I´m now much better to speak it out loud with strangers and friends. But it is still hard in romantic situations. Its hard to say someones behaviour is hurting me. But is also because I have been a l w a y s rejected by love partners. Twice this year.

Jupiter square Venus should be easy square. I have weight issues, because of this(?) I´m unhappy I eat.

If 5th house is the resolution point then its also this: I don´t want to have fun alone. And do things alone (or with friends). It makes me even more depressed. But that might be what I should to feel more balanced. And yes it will do so time to time..but there is no change in my life. Painful experiences are just repeating themselves.

End of September I was at sick leave due depression. But i had to travel another city to help my sisters family. They were moving. I told her I prefer not to come. But then it seemed as they really needed help. And i already know they are most impractical persons that i have ever met. So it was all in my hands and responsibility Her husband went to work and she went to fetch keys. And i had to pack, watch kids etc. But I also was able to stand my ground in some points. And also it made me (had to travel and work) more energetic. At the same time was also again rejected by my love interest as i asked him to travel with my friend to see exhibition. And i was really down because he is rejecting me endlessly. I should say to him this is enough but im still hoping. (He twice rejected me last dec and last july when i told about my feelings. Still he wants to hang around.)

Beginning of October.. I don´t remember anything particular.

Now there is too much work. I tried to share responsibilities but apparently I´m only one available. I think my love interest will take contact during weekend and will say he wont be able to participate my party next Monday. Or then he will text it last minute Monday..I try to do less work.

Hard to lift some separate issues as I´m currently feeling bad and rejected all the time.

posted November 12, 2020 12:35 PM            

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If 5th house is the resolution point ......

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The resolution point is in the 5th house, at 2Pisces37 ... and its Sabian Symbol (Pisces 3) is :-

"A PETRIFIED FOREST, AN ETERNAL RECORD OF A LIFE LIVED LONG AGO

This shows being respectful of the gifts that come out of the past. The “Petrified Forest” shows remnants of past civilizations; what went before. History always has something amazing to teach us. You may need to retrieve, sort through, or go over records from the past such as memories, art, literature, photographs, crystals etc? Perhaps you’re like a petrified forest; somewhat frozen in time and not knowing how to proceed. It may help if you get the "dead wood" out - it can clog up your cupboards, relationships, emotional life, etc. Letting go clears the way for new growth on many levels. Be wary, however, of throwing out things that are important.

Remnants and stillness. Agelessness. Being able to withstand life's storms. Resilience. Coal. Oil. Petrochemicals. Keeping records. Ancient remnants. Stones. Family history.

The Caution: Rigidity, immobility, inflexibility. Holding onto things past their use-by-date. Feeling stuck or frozen. Keeping tabs. Dinosaurs. Severing links from the past." ... http://sabiansymbols.com/symbol-lookup/

1. So ... what does that Sabian Symbol tell you (about how to resolve the issues of this T-square)?

For example, might it be saying "you have to let go of the past"? ... And might your past be one of living to serve others, rather than living to serve yourself?

2. Why do you see Venus as being about relationships/Libra rather than about Self-worth/Taurus?

posted November 12, 2020 02:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Originally posted by Valmu :-

The resolution point [b]is in the 5th house, at 2Pisces37 ... and its Sabian Symbol (Pisces 3) is :-

"A PETRIFIED FOREST, AN ETERNAL RECORD OF A LIFE LIVED LONG AGO

This shows being respectful of the gifts that come out of the past. The “Petrified Forest” shows remnants of past civilizations; what went before. History always has something amazing to teach us. You may need to retrieve, sort through, or go over records from the past such as memories, art, literature, photographs, crystals etc? Perhaps you’re like a petrified forest; somewhat frozen in time and not knowing how to proceed. It may help if you get the "dead wood" out - it can clog up your cupboards, relationships, emotional life, etc. Letting go clears the way for new growth on many levels. Be wary, however, of throwing out things that are important.

Remnants and stillness. Agelessness. Being able to withstand life's storms. Resilience. Coal. Oil. Petrochemicals. Keeping records. Ancient remnants. Stones. Family history.

The Caution: Rigidity, immobility, inflexibility. Holding onto things past their use-by-date. Feeling stuck or frozen. Keeping tabs. Dinosaurs. Severing links from the past." ... http://sabiansymbols.com/symbol-lookup/

1. So ... what does that Sabian Symbol tell you (about how to resolve the issues of this T-square)?

For example, might it be saying "you have to let go of the past"? ... And might your past be one of living to serve others, rather than living to serve yourself?

2. Why do you see Venus as being about relationships/Libra rather than about Self-worth/Taurus?

3. What do Gemini3, Virgo3 and Sagittarius3 (the other Sabian Symbols in this Mutable Cross) tell you? ... For example, Virgo3 cautions against "resisting help in order to hang onto your ‘wounds’."[/B]

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1. Firstly I don´t understand fully Sabian Symbol descriptions and don´t know how to form practical way to behave based on those. I don´t even fully understand what is the meaning of my T-square.

But I do understand I should not live serving others and I place others needs ahead mine. I have tried to pay attention to that little bit. I just do´t at the moment see how that would change my love life. If my T-square is not about that, please tell me.

2. Because I think I have good sense of myself. I might have some problems but I think I value myself. I have good professional self-esteem, nowadays I mostly have equal friendships. Only when it comes relationships there is still problems. And yes of course it effect my self-image too and should have stronger boundaries. I would like to hear practical advices what I should do.. everyday deeds etc. At the moment I don´t feel I have energy to study this by myself and that´s why I opened this thread. But I tried to answer your questions.

3. Virgo 3: This is not true: "Expecting that fate or someone else will always pick up the pieces." I picked myself up till I was 27-28 years old. After that felt it was useless. But I suffered / suffering cause there was no one else to lean on. At the moment I have victim status but its not permanent state in my life.

"Resisting help in order to hang onto your ‘wounds’." This might be true? I´m really angry at the moment. Long time I didn´t know I could get help. I was too locked up to speak to my friends. But 5 years ago I went to therapy. I´m back in therapy currently. I´m trying to get some help. Mostly I wan to be cured.
This has been true: "People appearing when they’re needed. Being saved in the nick of time."

Gemini 3: I don´t think I have big issues with this one. Although I recognize those traits as a fleeting thoughts I don´t mirror them, and they are not in line with my values. I´m sometimes bossy but mostly receive acknowledgment of my social skills and empathy. I like arts and good food.

Sagittarius 3: "Depending on pure luck". Maybe if it would mean I rather not make actions by myself. But there has not been any luck in this area of my life. And also when i begin to make actions the outcome was the same. I don´t get this one.

posted November 13, 2020 12:30 AM            

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I just do not at the moment see how that would change my love life. IF MY T-SQUARE IS NOT ABOUT THAT, please tell me.

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Your T-square is indeed NOT about your love life. ... It is about your self-esteem.

However, it "plays out"/impacts upon your relationships because the tension planet (Venus) is in the 11th house (of social relationships) and the point of resolution is in the 5th house (of romantic relationships).

Hence ... whilst I agree that you have good professional self-esteem ... the following comment (made in your last reply) reveals a lack of self-esteem in 11th+5th house relationships :-

"End of September I was at sick leave due depression. But i had to travel another city to help my sisters family. They were moving. I told her I prefer not to come. But then it seemed as they really needed help. And i already know they are most impractical persons that i have ever met. So it was all in my hands and responsibility Her husband went to work and she went to fetch keys. And i had to pack, watch kids etc. But I also was able to stand my ground in some points. And also it made me (had to travel and work) more energetic. At the same time was also again rejected by my love interest as i asked him to travel with my friend to see exhibition. And i was really down because he is rejecting me endlessly. I should say to him this is enough but im still hoping. (He twice rejected me last dec and last july when i told about my feelings. Still he wants to hang around.)"

For example ... my practical advice is to dump this "love-interest" asap - since he is undermining your self-esteem (which someone who truly loves you will not do). ... However, you know already that, and have known it for some time now - yet are still allowing him to "hang around" (without having ascertained exactly WHY it suits him to do so, and HOW it is damaging you).

posted November 13, 2020 07:35 AM            

But I feel still I’m not receiving love from my love interests. Maybe chiron and Jupiter are interrupting that?

Yes I should get rid of him but it is difficult as we have to work together. I know I should have any hope things would change.

posted November 14, 2020 01:16 AM            

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Well if 11th House also signifies the love received from others then I see the issue. Before I felt I’m not as important to my friends than they are for me. (Those friends I love) That is mostly fixed. And I’m social by nature..so always had friends. What comes social networks I do too much volunteer work. Starting next Jan I dropped all my dudes in that section.

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But I feel still I’m not receiving love from my love interests.

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That is indeed what you FEEL. ... And that feeling/subjectivity is preventing you from rationally/objectively addressing the real issue (of not ATTRACTING love from your love interests.) ... Hence, the now-ended recent transit of rational/objective Mercury to your T-square.

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Maybe chiron and Jupiter are interrupting that?

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Chiron in Gemini inflicts a wound (in childhood/adolescence) of feeling intellectually "inadequate" within the local community, and its location in the 9th house extends that feeling into the wider community. ... The 9th house is the 2nd house (of own values) from the 8th house of (other people's values). ... Hence, this subconsciously suppressed psychological Chiron wound causes you to believe that others do not value you.

Jupiter, in its own sign (of high-minded Sagittarius), challenges that erroneous Chiron belief ... But is hindered by its negative aspects to Sun, Venus, Moon, Uranus - and the discomfort of its 3rd house location. ... This causes you to expect too much from others - and manifests as your belief/"feeling" that friends do not value you as much as you value them.

However ... YOU (and only you) can choose to continue allowing those subjective feelings to undermine your relationships, OR to consign them to the past - by mindfully/objectively confronting the childhood events which created them, and reliving them again through your adult eyes.

But, the problem with confronting this issue is that you believe yourself to have already done it (via therapy, etc.) ... whereas I believe that (so far) you have only identified this self-esteem issue, so it still needs to be confronted/relived through adult eyes.

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Yes I should get rid of him but it is difficult as we have to work together. I know I should have any hope things would change.

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I read somewhere also good aspects to t-square planets can help. There is only Mars making sextile and trine to Jupiter and Chiron. Could this help and how?

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BUT, what message do you think is being delivered to Chiron and Jupiter by action-planet Mars in look-at-me Leo and 10th house of status. ... Might it be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxkx341Iv8 ?