posted March 15, 2021 03:27 PM            

Can this be the chart of a psychopath?

Link to the image of the chart: http://i.imgur.com/mLh4oxh.jpg

--sun conj venus in aries, house 3 (no further aspects to sun)
--saturn conj kiron is in pisces, and both are opossing a stellium formed by conjunct Pluto/Uranus/Mars in house 8 in Virgo.
-- moon in Capricorn conj ASC in Capricorn, making a trine with stellium of conjunct Pluto/Uranus /Mars in house 8 in Virgo.
-- moon conj ASC in Capricorn, square mercury in Aries.
--Neptune in Scorpio in house 10, sextile moon, and sextile stellium of conjunct Pluto/Uranus /Mars, and trine Saturn/Kiron in Pisces. Opposing Jupiter at house 4.

The drawing forms a Kite figure. Neptune at the top, jupiter at the bottom. Left corner moon conj asc (in Capricorn), right corner stellium of conjunct Pluto/Uranus/Mars in house 8 in Virgo.

Or else... What can you see here most notoriously?

posted March 15, 2021 03:40 PM            

I don't think there are an agreed set of aspects or an aspect pattern which shows psychopathy TBH.

What are your concerns about this person, in terms of their traits, behaviour, etc? You may find astrological indicators of these.

posted March 15, 2021 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Welcome to Lindaland Flauer

I don't think there are an agreed set of aspects or an aspect pattern which shows psychopathy TBH.

What are your concerns about this person, in terms of their traits, behaviour, etc? You may find astrological indicators of these.

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posted March 15, 2021 03:54 PM            

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posted March 15, 2021 05:20 PM            

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posted March 15, 2021 06:57 PM            

I would hazard a quess that he has some type of auto immune disorder.

posted March 16, 2021 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
The node square is the trigger for the Saturn/Chiron opposition to Uranus/Pluto/Mars. Accompanying abuse experiences are crucial for pathological reactions to the node pattern.without the Stark node square I would have described this chart similarly to your ex's

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Thank you so much for all the input!!!

So, you are saying that the node-square- everything is the trigger?

posted March 16, 2021 02:48 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
The node square is the trigger for the Saturn/Chiron opposition to Uranus/Pluto/Mars. Accompanying abuse experiences are crucial for pathological reactions to the node pattern.without the Stark node square I would have described this chart similarly to your ex's

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Thanks for the explanation Todd! the chart I am talking about is his natal chart, not our composite though, hope it was clear... (our composite really sucks, lol)

posted March 17, 2021 06:02 PM            

I'm with Todd on this one. His chart placements seem to confirm your intuition on this guy. Oh man oh man we should always listen to our gut, at least not disregard it anyway.

Looking at his chart I can tell you this isn't someone I would want to get involved with. It was already mentioned but my eyes went right to the pluto/mars/uranus 8th virgo conjunction. Then opposite Saturn in the second. Its like a recipe for trouble. Not that alot of retrogrades are a bad thing, but this combination made me feel a little uneasy. He has no real aspects i see showing where there is genuine empathy & compassion. Psychos are rather easy to identify because they aren't real. Even if its not too obvious, your intuition will tell you if someone just isn't right.

I think you are smart to distance yourself from this person.

Psychos are terrifying because u have no idea who is really inside.

posted March 18, 2021 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by VeronicaNicole:
Hi Flauer,

I'm with Todd on this one. His chart placements seem to confirm your intuition on this guy. Oh man oh man we should always listen to our gut, at least not disregard it anyway.

Looking at his chart I can tell you this isn't someone I would want to get involved with. It was already mentioned but my eyes went right to the pluto/mars/uranus 8th virgo conjunction. Then opposite Saturn in the second. Its like a recipe for trouble. Not that alot of retrogrades are a bad thing, but this combination made me feel a little uneasy. He has no real aspects i see showing where there is genuine empathy & compassion. Psychos are rather easy to identify because they aren't real. Even if its not too obvious, your intuition will tell you if someone just isn't right.

I think you are smart to distance yourself from this person.

Psychos are terrifying because u have no idea who is really inside.

No real astrological formula for psychopaths, lots of ways. Its certainly a combination of aspects in any individual.

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Thank you Veronica!!!
Yes, I saw all this too (and the North Node square to the whole complex, and to Kiron too, as Todd pointed).

What you say about empathy is true, he is somehow drammatic, but not empathic.

The moon conj ASC and trine Neptune and everything in house 1 maybe give him the initial (but deceiving) charm?? Is this correct?

Narcicistic for sure, and probably Psycho!!!

But now the mask is off!
Thank you all.

posted March 18, 2021 03:58 AM            

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Originally posted by flauer:

Thank you Veronica!!!
Yes, I saw all this too (and the North Node square to the whole complex, and to Kiron too, as Todd pointed).

What you say about empathy is true, he is somehow drammatic, but not empathic.

The moon conj ASC and trine Neptune and everything in house 1 maybe give him the initial (but deceiving) charm?? Is this correct?

Narcicistic for sure, and probably Psycho!!!

But now the mask is off!
Thank you all.

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Oh Geez! How on Earth did I miss those Nodes! I got to focused on all the other red flags. I have looked at a number of charts with hard squares to the nodes & these have all been from people like you posting charts of others to figure out what their deal is, why they behaving in an unsettling way. Others were charts of confirmed psychos, the poster just wants to know how to deal with it. Some were violent. Ik Pluto was always one of the planets in the square. I can't recall any charts with just oppositions to the nodes creating these ppl. There is always multiple aspects causing ASPD in people but the pluto square has been a consistent. This is only based on like 6 or 7 charts, but enough to know I want nothing to do with these people beyond looking at their messed up charts.

You can bet he uses his Moon/Asc for his personal agendas. & anything else he has to hide behind.

His Venus is totally unaspected other than his Sun conjunction. All his Venus is able to influence is his identity, ego. Sun/Venus people are naturally quite charming. That's not a bad thing in a...idk..a healthy chart. I can't see any substance that would make me believe his Sun/Venus expression has any outlet to even be genuine. Like he doesn't possess the ability or desire to utilize his placements in any other way than self serving.

In his chart I would bet the farm this guy would steal,take,"borrow" money from anyone at the first opportunity, with no shame or guilt. His gramma, a nun..whoever. 8th rules other peoples money. Virgo is analytical so you know his 8th house planets got the whole situation mapped out. The Saturn opposition in the 2nd house could indicate him being money $$ driven and the virgo trio gets to work getting Saturn his paper.

He doesn't really have any interpersonal, emotional houses activated by anything in his chart. There is Jupiter in the 4th, Taurus, which isn't much plus it is conjunct fixed star Algol (demon star) alot of times malefic to the native with most aspects/planets but since its Jupiter it may actually work in his favor.

This is just my interpretation. I don't know this person I'm just calling his chart like I see it. Astrology has yet to deceive me though so I'm inclined to listen to the stars 1st and foremost. It's sad, certain charts are just hard for me to believe that humans, as we are now, are incapable of transcending these types of charts. That is probably why we get psychopaths with these. The souls trapped in these charts are like wtf? Well this is going to go off the rails real quick. It'd be like me having all the tools & blueprints to build a house. Someone somewhere would know how to make a house outta all that but I'd just bail & go buy a tent.

Everyone is obviously responsible for their own actions, psychopaths are no exception. It is societies illness. It is easy for us to judge these people but hard for us to understand them.

If astrology was used and accepted more then this could be a wonderful tool for healing our society. Everyone has a printout telling everyone exactly who they are. Parents can look at their 1hour old baby already have an idea who their kid is. Destructive placements can be identified quickly and actively worked on from day 1.

Yes in a perfect world I guess :-P