posted March 11, 2003 01:03 AM            

He's a total certifiable nut.

And he hits on a few interesting truths.

posted March 11, 2003 12:09 PM              

One weird thing, my Mom always says, "I can't stand to look at that guy ,(W)"
"He reminds me of a lizzard"!!!!

Frater A ??!!!!!

posted March 11, 2003 02:55 PM            

Here's more:
http://www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm

I'll stop short about what I really think about this guy after reading his message. It is too easy to play armchair quarterback after the game, but in reality, he is only stating the obvious.

1) Of course celebrities are coming out and acting charitable. That is what they do after a disaster. Not to mention, that they have ALWAYS used their popularity to get people to sway their opinion - politcal, social or otherwise. That is why they are paid so much to wear tennis shoes, drink Coke and host political fundraisers.

2) In times of war, gold / oil / stocks..etc are always fluctuating. Gold goes up and stays due to the fact that it is a tangible commodity whereas dollars / yen..etc..is assigned a monetary value.

3) Michael Jackson is a total freak. But, we all knew that anyway.

4) All the old families: Vanderbilt, Rockefellers, etc...are just that. Old and quiet. The younger ones are out blowing their money. LOL...

So, according to this dude, if an entertainer is really "hot and popular" it is because they have become one of the zombie people? LOL.......well, now I do admit that alot of entertainers seemed bleary-eyed and sort of vapid, but there is no proof they are zombies...

My biggest problem is with the DNA reference. First of all, the guy does not even provide any information as to how the DNA is similar. Yes, they all have DNA. Yes, all their DNA does point to the fact that they are human. But what characteristics is he basing this on? He has to pony up some genetic markers to prove that these people are all linked genetically with some region of DNA that is only specific for those people. Merely saying they are the same is ridiculous.

This guy is like the wacknut from the Raelins that said they have cloned a human (impossible) and that they have 2-3 babies already...BUT no one has been able to test the DNA.

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"Lahn dádzaayú nahikai leh ni' nyelíí k'ehge," Goyathlay (Geronimo)

"Once we moved like the Wind"

posted March 11, 2003 05:19 PM            

Well... what fascinating thoughts!

It should be pointed out that Linda has been considered a certifiable nut by some people out there too; it is all a matter of perspective.

I think that David Icke has probably got some very interesting information in his posession... I know nothing about the MAN, but I have read a bit of his work.

As Annie says, it may be well to use the White Light technique when reading his material, it can be a wee bit disturbing... but so can some of Linda's work.

As with anything, I think that one must separate the MESSAGE from the MESSENGER. We ALL have filters, and we are all human, so whatever information we "channel" must pass through those filters. And in terms of how a person lives his life, well,"let he who is without sin cast the first stone", as the Nazarene would say. In other words.. if the info is valid or "rings true" to your inner eyes and ears, this is what matters, not scandals or indiscretions. These do not invalidate Truth.

Again, Linda was very good at presenting her material, but to some she was heretical and certifiable. We find her a font of truth and take her teachings into our hearts, this is why we are here.

I guess the bottom line, as with any teaching, is to take away what works for you, and leave behind the rest that doesn't. In the end, as Jewel has said, "only kindness matters".

Fear not! Take the information and Choose Who and What you are in relation to that information. Then decide what do you choose to DO about it.

I think this is what is important.

Hope this helps...

posted March 11, 2003 06:27 PM            

If he wants to say he in channeling a guide, cool - no problem, to each his / her own.

BUT, when he uses DNA and makes a claim that these people are related by sharing the same genetic sequences, then I have a problem. I know that is a complete lie and he has no idea about their genetic profile. I will be a million dollars he has never run their profile nor has any idea about the principles of molecular biology.

Linda was completely different, and while she may have had some ideas that could be defined as "Far out" I don't think she would make such concrete claims as this dude. Especially since this guy is an Ant-semite and basis his theories on some of the Nazi principles and blood sucking lizards.

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"Lahn dádzaayú nahikai leh ni' nyelíí k'ehge," Goyathlay (Geronimo)

"Once we moved like the Wind"

posted March 12, 2003 12:33 AM            

I myself do not believe all that he says, but I do find the whole of his work very provoking - and it evidently provokes many others, but why?

Randall, this question for you directly - what makes him a "certifiable nut", and what does he say that is "just plain crazy"? Granted, there is much that he speaks about that is ... strange, to put it lightly - almost as crazy as those certifiable immortals running around out there.

I think Aselzion has the right perspective.

I am not going to defend Icke, there is no real need, but I can counter each of the arguments against him as put forth in this string and the links that are given. I really do not know that much about him and have only read one of his books, but I can see that there is something worth investigating simply because of the amount of material there is AGAINST him. If he is crazy and there is nothing substantial behind his various works and accusations, then why is there such a concerted effort to prove that he is a crackpot? The links that are posted here against him go on and on and on ... and I can tell you that much of what is written in those links is taken out of context and twisted into something that makes him look quite different.

He is not an anti-semite, quite the contrary. And his DNA/bloodline theories may be the easiest of all to prove. You do not need to see a genetic sequence to know who is related to whom. Sequences aside, genealogy tells a very interesting story all by itself.

So why do people (certain people) insist that he is anti-semite? And why do people (certain people) insist that one must be a geneticist to determine what family someone may have sprouted from? And why do these same people insist on writing page after page and article after article denouncing, discrediting, misquoting, and doing all that they can to keep him from speaking publicly? Makes me wonder.

And the Raelians ... they were simply put in the lime-light to add to the confusion and make ease of the distortion. Now anyone who says they belive that humans have some sort of genetic connection with extraterrestrials will be looked upon as the crackpots the Raelians were made out to be. It was a charade to aid disinformation, and keep control a bit longer. Very smart on "their" part - VERY.

What is REALLY going on?

posted March 12, 2003 04:52 AM            

It's been covered by international media somewhat.
It's really not that surprising when you consider that evidence has emerged long after the fact showing that we also had a warning about Pearl Harbor that went ignored in order to get the US into WWII.

The remote control theory isn't all too cracked up either if the interview that I read of a man who designs Boeings is true..He claimed the planes have a remote control system built into them incase of emergencies.
Aparently, according to this interview I read, some of the commercial jets have a system built in whereby if the plane loses radio contact, someone on the ground can fly the plane remotely.
Course this could be total BS but then, maybe not, I don't know.

Aselzion, I think, has a good outlook on things.

There's a group called UnasweredQuestions.org . It's founded by the families of 9-11 victims that have, obviously, unanswered questions that aren't being addressed. (Did you know, of the 600 odd hijackings that have occurred worldwide throughout history, 9-11 is the only one that is yet to be thoroughly investigated? )

quote:

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The first hijacking was known by Boston ATC at 8:28, (Village Voice, amongst others). The

Pentagon admits to being aware of one hijacking at 8:40, (Boston Globe) and two hijackings by 8:50 (General Myers). General Myers told the Senate on Sept. 13th that "we did scramble fighter aircraft...after the Pentagon was struck". That is, fighters were scrambled at 9:40, a full hour later. A story that fighters were launched from Otis AFB and Langley AFB appeared in the press on Sept. 14th. Why the delayed report ? Rough calculations of the time and distance traveled show they would have been flying at less than half their top speed. Surely this was a situation requiring emergency measures?

Flight 93 was in the air, with the hijacking confirmed, for more than half an hour before it crashed, but no interceptors launched from Andrews AFB, only 10 miles and mere minutes flight time away - even after a second (hijacked-confirmed) plane had struck the WTC (according to "official" government military sources). All this flies in the face of standard procedure. Why was the air response so inadequate?

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That's one of the most suspicious things, IMO, and there are plenty of other unaswered questions about 9-11 that our government is extremely tightlipped about.

posted March 12, 2003 07:48 AM              

Also... Clinton's two top aids that had been working on Al -Queda since the 1st World trade center bombing, had 10 meetings with Connie Rice before they took office to fill her in on Al-Queda, and told them it should be the FIRST thing the new administration takes care of when they get into office.They told Clinton that they would have to do their OWN research on the subject, and then make their OWN decision.They started on September 4th.

Also on the Share International website, they claim they had TOP meetings before hand and was warned, but did nothing.

So far the world is speaking.......

posted March 12, 2003 08:57 AM            

Ra, Auriel has been very busy lately, but she did mention to me a couple of days ago that she wants to get to Jake's chart ASAP.

posted March 12, 2003 04:11 PM            

I still can't get past the DNA issue. I want proof. I am not even looking at this guy from a "pro-christian" or "conservative" perspective. I am looking at what he is saying from a "scientific" perspective as it relates to DNA issues.

Am I crazy or am I one of the few people here that things it is incredible insane that this man:
1) Believes that the world is controlled by a group of elite Jewish people (hence the accusation that he is a total Anti-Semite and Pro-Nazi supporter).

2) He thinks there are BLOOD SUCKING REPTILES out to get us.

3) He was a soccer player that was caught up in a scandel and "discovered" this method as a way of throwing off glare of scrutiny from his illegitimate heir.

Even for the people just "have to hate the Bush Administration" you have to admit that this guys theories and basis of his beliefs are totally off.

To give him credit is to also admit that you support Hitler and his views since this dork basis his theories on the "zionist" control of the world. He is a total Nazi supporter.

Here's something cool to think about:

Did you know that the biggest players in the World Wars...meaning heads of state...were all fixed signs? (Please forgive my Saggie 's way of possibly mis-spelling certain names..thank you)

Hitler: Taurus, Mussolini: Leo, Hirohito: Scorpio, and Roosevelt: Aquarius.

Hitler, Stalin and Winston Churchill all had Libra as their rising sign.