posted April 27, 2002 12:21 PM            

It disturbs me much to see such a focus put upon this topic in this country. It is nothing but a partisan attempt at making the American people feel even more insecure about their futures.

I am not saying that there is nothing wrong here, obviously there has been much intentional wrong doing. But the real purpose of the intent focus on this situation is much more insidious. We are being fed the suggestion that the imperial federal government needs to regulate such conditions. We are being programmed to think that the government is always the solution. We cannot think for ourselves, we need the government to take control.

What did Enron do? They took the money from their employees' retirement programs and put it into the general operating budget, to disguise their debt.

There is another Enron. There is no focus on it, at least not in this sense. Perhaps the largest "company" in the world has been doing this for decades, in the open. No one seems to care. It is business as usual. It is standard operating procedure. People give this "company" their money freely, without question, to secure their futures. And yet the money they give is knowingly taken from this "retirement account" and put into the general budget, year after year after year.

Why has no one stopped this? How can this "company" get away with it? We are talking about BILLIONS of dollars annually. What is going on?

Who is this "company"?

Any guesses?

posted April 27, 2002 02:24 PM              

OK... I first wrote *US government* as my first guess, but since it's not a *company* I erased it and gave my guess as an insurance company.. but after a friend of mine also guessed USGov. I wanna stick with that It's correct, right?

posted April 27, 2002 10:47 PM              

And you are right, there is too much being made of what is common company practices, and not just Enron. 'They' are up to something...something that will involve more government interference.

posted April 28, 2002 12:05 PM            

Social security is one of the largest scams ever conceived of.

It is a negative "investment".

If it was a private endeavor, it would be illegal.

There is an ongoing experiment concerning this. Somehow, there is a company which has opted out of the SS system. The employees retiring from this company, after being in this experimental system for something like 15 years, are drawing a larger retirement check than that which they were paid while working!

Big government means BIG waste. But what can we do? We are forced at gunpoint by the imperial federal government to give them this money, and to loose it.

Our founding fathers warned about this, and attempted to safeguard against it, to no avail. Our constitutional guarantees are being taken from us one by one, financed by money taken from us.

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness - so long as you do not own a gun, do not speak freely, submit to the socialist whims of the government, and, before long, so long as you THINK the way they wish. Thought crimes are next on the agenda.

posted July 22, 2002 10:23 PM              

WWW.pushhamburger/silent.htm

Not for those who perfer blissful ignorance or with weak hearts. Substantial and Intense! The Orion Syndicate hard at work. You have been warned.

posted July 23, 2002 12:24 AM            

By the time George Bush took office, the stock market was already on the way down and the NASDAQ had already lost nearly 50% of it's total value. By the way, the NASDAQ peaked in Feb 2000 and headed south. The Dow Jones Industrial Average peaked in Feb 2000 and started trending sideways and down. That was on Clinton and Gore's watch too.

Of course I don't expect you to take my word for it so, here's the link to the long range stock charts for the NASDAQ and Dow Jones Industrials.
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=indu&sid=0&o_symb=indu&freq=2&time=12

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http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=comp&sid=0&o_symb=comp&freq=2&time=12

As for the Middle East Arab countries being mad at us for supporting Israel, I would say those nations are lucky we restrained Israel or Damascus, Amman, Baghdad, Riyadh and Beirut would have been smoking black holes in the desert long ago and perhaps Cairo too after the sneak attack of 1973. In case you don't know, the Palestinians were thrown out of Jordan for plotting the overthrow of King Hussein, that's why they were on the West bank of the Jordan River in the first place and it's not their homeland. Not one of the Arab nations want them in their country. What they really want is no more Israel.

The chronic mismanagement of resources and labor and the mistreatment of citizens in South America is nothing new. But these are sovereign nations. Pointing the finger at George Bush for the mistakes, greed and repression of foreign citizens by their governments is a little over the line. What next, George Bush caused the fall of the Great Wall of China? The Irish Potato Famine?
The sinking of Atlantis?

As for greedy businessmen, when they break the law, put them in jail----like anyone else. They're working on that now.

jwhop

posted July 23, 2002 01:35 AM            

You saved me from having to write much of what you have written! BRAVO!! You are so ... right. It does not take too much uncovering to see who is playing whom.

posted July 23, 2002 02:15 AM            

So go ahead and write the rest of it. I ran out of steam before I could write about the fiasco with the Sudan trying to hand over Bin Laden to the Clinton Administration several times in the late 90's along with the Al Quida leadership. Or the weakening of our intelligence services by the same administration. Or the transfer of restricted nuclear and missile technology to China. Or the selling of phone encryption electronic equipment to Syria who promptly gave it to Bin Laden.

I'm tired and going to bed so you take it from here and I'll enjoy reading all about it in the morning. I'm sure there's a lot more you could bring into the light that lots of people are moving heaven and earth to suppress.

posted July 23, 2002 07:34 PM            

I've clicked on that link several times both yesterday and today without success. Finally I entered www.pushhamberger.com but couldn't find specifically what you were referring to. The site is loaded with great information though as I noticed when I cruised through the titles.

Hello Queen

I'm sure you're far from uninformed and there's probably much we agree on, though you may not think so!

I'm not necessarily pro Israel but they are a soverign nation with a legal right to exist. The history and current actions of most of the surrounding Arab nations is that they don't want peace with Israel. What they really want is for Israel to disappear off the face of the earth. Peace talks are aimed at setting up an another armed enemy on Israel's borders and the return of the land captured in war that is currently a buffer zone between Israel and their hostile neighbors.

Straping explosives on idealistic children to blow up civilians in Israel isn't conducive to peace nor is it intended to bring about peace, the opposite is true. These groups are funded by other Arab nations in the area, including Saudia Arabia, Iran and Syria.

Lots of Americans are not overly fond of their government and don't see much difference between Democrats and Republicans. The loss of freedoms spelled out in the Constitution marches on no matter which party is in power but of the two, at least George Bush isn't willing to turn soverignty of the US over to the United Nations.

Some of the President's tough talk and military action in Afganistan undoubtedly was intended to send a message to nations that support, shelter and fund terrorism. No question this administration and the Democrats too would like to see Saddam gone from Iraq. There isn't a sane person on earth who wants to see Saddam with nuclear weapons. I personally don't think George Bush wants to invade Iraq but if it comes down to a choice of letting Saddam obtain and perfect nuclear weapons or if Saddam were to use Iraq's arsenal of chemical and biological weapons or turn them over to terrorists who would use them against the US or our allies, then I think there would be war. I think Saddam knows that too and it was intended that he know it.

Saddam had been trying for many years to obtain nuclear capabilities. Last time, Israel destroyed a nuclear reactor before it went on line.

jwhop

posted July 23, 2002 11:20 PM            

But you are doing a MARVELOUS job!! Can I get an AMEN!?!

posted July 24, 2002 08:39 AM              

www.zmag.org/chomsky/index.cfm

posted July 24, 2002 12:51 PM            

Are these the totalitarian societies and leaders you're talking about?

Soviet Union---Joseph Stalin
China----------Mao Tse-Tung
North Korea----Kim I1 Sung
North Vietnam--Ho Chi Minh
Cuba-----------Fidel Castro

These societies do/did share a common characteristic. They imprison or execute dissenters, some 200,000,000 of their own dissenting citizens had to be executed or worked to death in labor reeducation camps to usher in the Communist Workers Paradise.

Noam Chomsky wouldn't have lasted a day in one of those societies--unless he learned to keep his mouth tightly closed.

posted July 24, 2002 08:39 PM              

So sorry that the 'link' was a broken link. If you can kindly go again to:

www.pushhamburger.com

Then scroll down a little to the title:

Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars

which is toward the right hand side of their table of contents home page.

This is the document I was referring to.

Incidentally, the huge boost in the stock market today is merely more "bait" to catch the poor mice with. Two of the greatest teachers of my life, Thena & Avalon told us, in 1992, in a channeled meaage, that "...there will be a stock market crash at the end of the year". But in order not to create a negative, self fulfilling prophecy, the actual year of this crash was not named.

Given all the indications, this year would appear to be the most likely to date, to see the fulfillment of that prophecy.

I also advise everyone to have a look at the book: "Last Waltz of The Tyrants" messages from Ramtha, channeled by J.Z. Knight. Ramtha said that crashing the markets will ultimately be done deliberatly by the Powers That Be with the intent of grabbing absolute World Control.

posted July 24, 2002 10:16 PM            

Well, a Queen should be bold

The biggest mistakes the Arabs have made was to attack Israel at all. Here's a history.
http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html

Those attacks resulted in Israel arming itself to the teeth including nuclear weapons.(which we didn't give to them)

Yes, they spy on us and don't think for a minute we don't spy on them too.

Of course, we mourn the lives lost on the USS Liberty. However the ship was in a place it was not supposed to be and could not be or was not contacted in time to move it out of the area where there was a war in progress between Arab nations and Israel. The USS Liberty was a spy ship in a war zone and Israel was told the US had no ships in the area.
http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/ussliberty.html

Leaders of Islamic Jihad, Hezzbola and Hamas are in my opinion, cowards who hide themselves in the civilian Palestinian population and send teenagers into Israel to attack civilians. I don't see any of these so called leaders willing to strap on explosives and go do the job themselves. So far as I know, Israel doesn't specifically target civilians but if someone shoots at them, they shoot back and so would I. Nor do they assassinate people merely because they don't like them.

Teenagers are idealistic. They are being used as pawns by the groups that don't want peace with Israel. Their parents are being paid up to $25,000 by Saudi Arabia when they go blow themselves up or so it has been reported in the news services. These terrorist bombing do not advance the peace process, nor are they intended to.

Since you believe in conspiracy theories, here's a link to help you along.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_frameup.htm

If I understand you correctly, you think the Bush administration intentionally permitted terrorists (Mossad, CIA connected??) to bomb the WTC and Pentagon so that after the Taliban was routed out, a deal could be struck with the new government to build an oil and/or natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan? Well, if true, that would make W one of the most evil men on earth but the theory falls apart when it turns out that Bin Laden took credit for the attack and promises more of the same. Unless of course you believe Bin Laden is reading from W's script.

OK, go ahead and run for President. I'll vote for you as long as you promise to faithfully execute the laws of the United States and uphold the Constitution. But I warn you, that last one would mean a major departure from policies instituted since
1913.