posted December 17, 2002 05:31 PM              

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I was wondering if this was the right place to Dicuss war? If not Please let me know?

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posted December 18, 2002 12:38 AM            

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Might be better in Free-for-all.

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posted December 19, 2002 09:43 AM            

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But since it's here...

Any particular war?

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posted December 21, 2002 11:32 PM              

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our pending one, I'd imagine.

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posted December 22, 2002 09:55 AM            

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While, on the one hand, I think war should be avoided (especially to protect the loss of innocent Life in Iraq), I still see some merit to it, or at least the reasoning. The US had the chance to stop Hitler very early in his rampage, but we chose a hands-off approach. We have always regretted that. That's why the US is so adamant about protecting the rest of the world from such dictators. And yes, we do go overboard sometimes.

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posted December 22, 2002 07:14 PM              

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War holds a certain appeal for many males, including myself, and so while intellectually I am very opposed to invading Iraq, I sometimes feel America should go in with guns blazing for the fun and see what happens. That's the suppressed side of my nature, I think.

Some soldiers feel war is the ultimate test of character, with which I partly agree, but then there's the icky problem that many people who test their character that way don't come back. War would be very cool if nobody ever got killed and it was an honorable picnic, the way the Brits liked to pretend it is.

Sherman had it right when he said, "War is hell." Sometimes justified, but never good or clean. And anyone who kills, even for a good cause, should be suitably remorseful afterward.

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posted December 22, 2002 08:39 PM              

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yes, QOS definately. Particularly the US feels this urge simply b/c we are the most powerful therefore use it right? The labors of love include having an obligation to obstain from war.

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posted December 23, 2002 10:58 PM              

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On the other hand, some people would say war is their labor of love. Many of the US soldiers who were killed in Afghanistan had relatives who said that they died doing what they loved to do, ie fight and kill. Or if you feel patriotic, "defend the world against evil."

I think I understand female chauvinism a little better now...

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posted December 24, 2002 02:30 AM              

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you bring interesting points QOS. However (the infamous but...) I do not know what kind of 'training' the US military puts a life through.
"Peace is Patriotic" is a common maxim seen out and about if you look. So I guess it could be said here that it is possible for a lack of a better word that brainwashing could occur.
I mean the most technological nation that I live in has ample knowledge at their disposal. And they are more than likely using it. LOL... the Army, be all that your told to be. An enemy is a subjective term!

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posted December 24, 2002 02:58 PM              

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Nobody (correctly) said joining the armed forces is about individuality; you have to work in a team and take orders. Be comething of sheep.

Our great nation is being defended by sheep!! SHEEP!!!!

War, economics, and politics are inextricably bound up, and so as long as we have one, we will probably have the others. And I do appreciate having a strong military between me and the big bad world.

"Anchors aweigh, my boys, anchors aweigh..."

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posted December 25, 2002 10:45 AM            

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What's bad is that most of our leaders are sheep.

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posted December 25, 2002 11:11 PM              

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Randall, almost EVERYONE is a sheep, if you mean in the sense of going with the herd. If you mean as intelligent as sheep... Non- conformity has become pointless because everyone wants be revolutionary and non- conformist. 'Howbout we don't worry about what other people will think and be ourselves?

But then we have the problem that someone who doesn't care what other people think is likely to offend them and become an outcast. Besides, what if it is a natural part of one's personality to care what people think of you, like with me? In that case, it's better to be conformist and blend 'cause people will like you better, but then you're always running around wondering if people really like you and feeling miserable if they don't.

There is no such thing as being "yourself," you are only what the circumstances mold you to become. If you are with people you know and understand, you will be "yourself" ie the personality you use around them; if you are around people you don't know, you will either mold them to you or you will mold to them. Nothing is definate. Everything and everyone are defined by that which is around them.

Of course, the above might not apply to everyone... and it also got a tad off the subject. Oh well.

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posted December 26, 2002 03:08 AM            

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Baa Baa Baa...

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posted December 27, 2002 03:19 PM            

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The real question is: Who is leading the herd?

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posted December 28, 2002 03:22 AM              

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Again, this is slightly off topic, but it's directly connected. Some say it's better to be a leader than a follower. I say it's best to do what comes naturally, regardless of whether others are doing it.

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posted December 28, 2002 03:25 AM              

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And it's better to be a follower than a leader with negative intentions.

To be completely honest, I don't think the leader of the herd is human. The leader of the herd is money.

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posted December 28, 2002 05:28 AM              

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I agree that darn money is powerful!

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posted December 29, 2002 12:09 AM              

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posted December 29, 2002 03:57 AM              

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Carlo no one could ever be you! I promise you that- you are so unique. You never cease to amaze me with your words and reactions- in a good way!

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posted December 29, 2002 12:00 PM              

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posted December 29, 2002 01:12 PM              

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Danita's compliments are true. Your posts are always interesting. I love reading them.

BTW, I never said it was good to be a follower..just better to be one than a malevolent leader. Yet, that was last night. I've thought things over and have now come to the conclusion that it's not much better to be either.

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posted December 29, 2002 01:13 PM              

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Whoops! Double post. Hiccup!

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posted December 30, 2002 02:12 AM              

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Cannot say I believe in murder, even the legalized kind (ie- WAR).

I say this after having had experience in Marine Corps boot camp training (OCS in Quantico).

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posted December 30, 2002 09:22 PM              

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I dunno what to say now. I guess it's hard to sit back and look at this impending war and agree with it. I mean I know that we need to change the way things are done. To go out and send hundred of thousands of troops to the gulf, have weapons waitng in the wing, for one guy evil or not is incredible. No one can say that this war is not about oil. I mean why doesn't ourleaders give more incentive to use alternate energy sources? I dunno!

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posted December 30, 2002 09:26 PM              

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Supposedly God is leading the herd. God in deist sort of way.

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