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Topic: From Amendments to Expansions
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proxieme unregistered
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posted May 02, 2003 10:54 AM
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trippysht unregistered
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posted May 02, 2003 12:00 PM
hehehe doonesbury had a few strips regarding this http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.cfm?uc_full_date=20030313&uc_comic=db&uc_daction=X when i opened the link, the ad sitting within the article was for "bishop spong's insights"..... he used to be the bishop for my area's episcopal churches! he's a really remarkable guy, very funny and a joy to listen to- he spoke at my confirmation! how cool!
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2003 12:07 PM
Michael Kinsley never saw a tax increase he didn't love or a tax reduction he didn't hate. Just for everyone's information, it was the Balanced Budget Act that produced the Budget surpluses in year 1998. Clinton had to be drug to the signing table kicking and screaming NO, NO, NO, and have the signing pen firmly shoved into his hand. He knew if he vetoed the bill, the Congress would override his veto. It was the tax reductions of the Reagan years that kicked off the longest expansion of the American economy in history and it was the tax reductions of the Kennedy years that sparked a similar expansion of the economy in the early 60's. They work, every time they're used.Michael Kinsley is one of the neolib marxist so called progressives who used to spew his drivel on "Cross Fire" and I'm very familiar with his nonsense. Tax cuts always spur the economy, everytime. Leave it to the likes of Kinsley to oppose them and all the others who want government to bestow government goodies to those they deem worthy. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." That sentence has been the driving force behind Marxism/Socialism/Communism for over a century. That's the reason Dimocrats and neolib marxists oppose any mention of tax reductions. It sounds so wonderful doesn't it? Yet in reality, it's pure outright theft and so Unconstitutional in it's application that no politician would dare say it in public. They just oppose any effort to let people keep what they've earned by their own labor. Kinsley and all the other marxists in and out of government can kiss my as*. jwhop IP: Logged |
proxieme unregistered
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posted May 02, 2003 12:25 PM
Ohhhh yeah...that's why I don't post much in this forum anymore. Thanks for reminding me, jwhop IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2003 01:03 PM
"Ohhhh yeah...that's why I don't post much in this forum anymore. Thanks for reminding me, jwhop"Are you suggesting that after you posted the article from the brain cell challenged idiot Kinsley, I had no right to respond and set the record straight? jwhop IP: Logged |
pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2003 01:03 PM
He is just offering his opinion to what was quoted. I, for one, do think along the same lines. Tax cuts stimulate the economy. It doesn't matter what people like Hillary and Kinsley try to put out there, the proof is in what works and what is seen. I am tired of the high taxes that I pay and for some of the outrageous social programs that my tax money is going towards. Almost 30% of my paycheck is tagged for income tax. That's a big bite and I would appreciate a piece of that back and trust me I am not one of the wealthiest 1%. I do appreciate other points of view as well. Now I am sure that we will see a few others from the far left coming out and countering jwhop and I. In fact, I can think of at least two people that will do just that. IP: Logged |
N_wEvil unregistered
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posted May 02, 2003 01:05 PM
its a good thing neither of you live in the UK17.5% sales tax, anyone? IP: Logged |
pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2003 01:13 PM
NW, I would much rather pay a flat tax or even a tax on consummables than pay federal, state, social security, gas, food, sales and other tax that we are paying for. Hell, thanks to Gore at least $2.00 a month is being attached to everyone with phone. It's the Universal Conductivity Tax. Can you say, BULL SH*T. They say the tax cut is not fair because it won't benefit the poor. Well, guess what, they aren't paying taxes. In fact, if you qualify for the Earned Income Credit thing, you get MORE money back than you even paid into the system. It's like a lottery. For those of us that don't get friends to buy us houses, get advances on books we don't write or aren't worth $400 Million like a certain Senator running for Pres., the tax hit hurts. Why do we even need the IRS? Let's get a flat tax and we won't need the lame glutton of big government and the insane tax codes. IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2003 01:48 PM
PidauaI'm hopeful the Congress with opt for a National Sales Tax and do away with the IRS code in it's entirety, along with the Dept. of Internal Revenue. A flat tax is still a tax on productive labor, unconstitutional and the current cause of many horror stories for American citizens. Only way an income tax can be collected Constitutionally is by citizens volunteering to file and pay the tax, having no liability to do so. Essentially, people waive their rights when they file the return and pay the tax. A further problem with an income tax, including a flat tax is that when taxes are applied to anything, there's less of the activity. We don't really want less wealth producing labor, we want more of that activity. The Sales Tax taxes consumption which encourages savings, something critically needed in any productive economy, does away with the IRS and the army of bureaucrats in the IRS and the IRS tax court. Also lots of government lawyers who prosecute charges under alleged Title 26 violations. If we're going to change tax systems, why not go for a Constitutional Tax and one that cannot be avoided by anyone? Buy something, you pay the tax at the point of sale and if the government raises the Sales Tax, they get less revenue because people will buy less. Makes perfect sense to me. You really think John Kerry is worth 400 million? I place his value much lower, say around 98 cents, the value of the constituent chemicals in his body. N_wEvil, you have the perfect opportunity to lower your taxes. Just don't buy anything for a while and watch how fast that 17.5% sales tax comes down. jwhop IP: Logged |
N_wEvil unregistered
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posted May 02, 2003 01:51 PM
Its the same story over herea bunch of people on council estates just sponging off the state and funnily enough almost every house has a sattelite dish...strange that. I suppose i can hardly complain being a "mouse-potato" but...well, take it from me, the tax situation in the UK is worse. Over here you get income tax brackets, which are worked out by Inland Revenue. if you earn over £25,000 a year (which isnt very much these days considering the general cost of goods and services in the UK) you get lumbered with 40% income tax, national insurance and thats on top of the £1,400 or so you pay in council taxes. While we dont pay taxes on our telephone calls, you might have a heart attack if you found out just how much BT used to charge - its only since 1998/9 we've had flat-rate internet access, let alone affordable broadband. And then there's voice telecoms.... You might argue that we do get a national health service out of the deal, but trust me - that organisation is a financial event horizon. One of my housemates had his heart operation cancelled (AFTER he'd been starved for 2 days) not to mention getting any specialist treatments is like drawing teeth from a very much alive and kicking horse. I think the lesson to be learned here is that as soon as a large organisation gets beyond a certain size it becomes inherently inefficient. Sooo... how could we remedy this? IP: Logged |
N_wEvil unregistered
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posted May 02, 2003 01:58 PM
oh and dont get me started on new labours' vaunted "stealth taxes" IP: Logged |
proxieme unregistered
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posted May 02, 2003 04:42 PM
It's just the way stuff's said that gets me; but, again, I'm not complaining, I'm just withdrawing. Peace.
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pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2003 05:33 PM
Sorry Prox. Please don't withdrawal too much.Hey jwhop, You are totally right about the Sales Tax. I would really rather see that go into effect. Personally I think that Kerry is worth about $.50 and that's too much. But yeah, he total worth is around $400 Million and yet the tax payers put out $75.00 for his designer haircuts. Talk about a waste. LOL Actually, people would be surprized to find out how many dems make up the top 1% of wealth in America. I worked with a COO that was a total lib. He would talk about how we all need to put our guns in a safe, bullets in another and hide the key. He also wanted to increase taxes so that we could redistribute the wealth since, as he stated, we Americans are too dumb to know what to do with our money and need the intelligent people to watch out for us." (He being a self proclaimed genius) He also wanted a fat tax and so on...you know the wahh wahh wahhh of his type of parties thinking. He railed against the rich conservatives and how they abuse money and power. Funny thing is, he drove around in a Dodge Viper, BMW motorcycle, Mercedes and had the Altima as the "get dirty" car. He charged almost $10,000 for expenses a month. He regularly cheated anyone he could, giving monetary favors to friends who could help him out. Best yet, he had a loaded gun. I guess it's the old "Do as I say not what I do". IP: Logged |
pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2003 07:09 PM
I was WRONG: Senator Kerry is worth $620 Million as of 2000. Eight of the top 11 wealthiest Senators are Dems: Nine if Chaffee admits his true party affiliation. LOL 1) Kerry (D-Mass): $620 Million 2) Jon Corzine (D-NJ): $400 Million 3) Herb Kohl (D-Wis): $300 Million 4) Jay Rockefeller(D-WV): $200 Million 5) Lincoln Chafee (R-R.I.): $63 Million 6) Diane Fienstein (D-CA): $50 Million 7) Maria Cantwell (D-WA): $40 Million (then went bankrupt) 8) Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL): $40 Million 9) Bob Bennett (R-UT): $30 Million 10) Jon Edwards (D-NC): $25 Million 11: Edward Kennedy (D-Mass): $25 Million
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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 02, 2003 10:21 PM
OK pidaua, we'll lower Kerry's value to $.50 Yeah, the libs will spend your money to the last cent for their causes, but not their own. Isn't that why we all love them so? jwhop IP: Logged | |