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Topic: Iraq... your latest evaluation?
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Lost Leo
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posted July 14, 2003 06:56 PM
 
I've been a bit disappointed lately... how's everyone feel?IP: Logged |
Oxychick
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posted July 14, 2003 07:57 PM
Disappointed? Can ya be more specific. That's fuzzy English you're using right there.  IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted July 15, 2003 05:17 AM
well, just shows you how rubbish our administrative structure if it lets a bunch of people think with their guns rather than their heads.Not their finest hour, if you ask me. IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted July 15, 2003 10:03 AM
*checking into this forum for the 1st time in a while*
*sees this thread*
*holds her tongue*IP: Logged |
Lost Leo
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posted July 15, 2003 01:34 PM
My honest opinion...Why are people still dying? That upsets me... The fact that the oil refineries were up & running less than a week after their capture, but we still haven't put the water & electirc plants into working order...?
That upsets me... I mean of course the ONLY trouble is coming from the Sunni stronghold areas around central Iraq, and the damn foreigners entering Iraq to fight the US  And at least new achievements are occuring with the Palestinians... I dunno I guess I'm just upset people are still dying... GEORGE BUSH'S APPROVAL RATING: APRIL 2003: 70%
JULY 2003: 50% That's saying something...
Hey I guess at least the economy is recovering...  IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted July 15, 2003 01:42 PM
Well... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&ncid=584&e=1&u=/nm/20030715/pl_nm/bush_deficits_dc IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted July 15, 2003 01:42 PM
interest rates in the UK were cut another half percent at the beggining of the week to the lowest they've been in 48 years.beware the economy recovering. Personal computers and internet spending gave us a boost where technically we shouldn't have had one around the late 90's and i have a horrible feeling its going to crash a whole lot worse as a result. Essentially, we dodged a recession and now we have a depression on our hands. Of course i can't actually back this up with hard evidence, but you could make the stats say whatever the hell you wanted. IP: Logged |
ally
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posted July 15, 2003 03:11 PM
I don't know about anyone else's views on this,but I absolutely loathe the fact that people whine about Iraq not being in perfect order by now.
Elections take time,and it is way too haphazard over there for something like that to take place.
The war has just ended and anybody who thinks that everything should be cleaned-up and in perfect order already is entirely ignorant on the matter. Why are people still dying over there? Because it's not entirely over. Should it be over by now? I'm not sure,but I think that whether it should or shouldn't be over by now is totally irrelevent. I think that it's almost silly to expect there to be absolutely no loss of life during a war or after. War is ugly and anyone with half a brain knows that. IP: Logged |
Lost Leo
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posted July 15, 2003 05:55 PM
But Prox, the Democrats are the poster-children for Deficit-spending...The economy is doing better I think... it's stumbling along.... it won't get back to how it was in the 90s, but slowly it will represent a moderate growth pattern. Ally, sweetheart, watch yourself! IP: Logged |
ally
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posted July 15, 2003 06:50 PM
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Jaqueline
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posted July 15, 2003 07:59 PM
"The Iraqis waiting in line for their entry stamps looked tired, hungry and exasperated at having their country's border controlled by 18-year-old foreigners strutting around with guns or sitting atop heavily armored humvees and tanks. The whole scene was unnerving, a flashback to the days of British colonialism. The U.S. weaponry might be modern, but the model of occupying someone else's country is definitely an old one. Just from watching the scene at the border, you could smell trouble... The security problem is mainly the result of the chaos the invasion unleashed... The lack of electricity is an equally pressing concern. The gas pipeline that fed power stations in Baghdad was bombed during the war. Since then looters or saboteurs have stolen electrical wires and toppled pylons. The suffocating heat only exacerbates the situation. Without fans or air-conditioning, working and sleeping is misery. Without refrigeration, food goes rancid. Without electricity, water pumps don't work. Without electricity, gas can't be pumped into cars. Without electricity, traffic lights don't work; roads are clogged and utterly chaotic. And without electricity, the streets are dark at night, so thieves roam at will... Every day, the United States appears to be losing ground here in Iraq. There are an average of 13 attacks a day on the occupation forces, and there is less and less sympathy among Iraqis when U.S. soldiers are attacked. To many, the words freedom and liberation now seem like a cruel joke... "How about the soldiers?" we asked, pointing behind them at U.S. soldiers sitting atop ferocious-looking tanks, weapons at the ready. A man who "loved America" said how happy they were to be free of Saddam Hussein, but the other man demurred. I asked him directly, "So you think the soldiers should go home to America?" Both men broke out in big grins. "Yes, Saddam gone. That's good. Soldiers should go, too. Many Iraqis don't like them here." They said if conditions in Iraq do not improve soon – a month, two months, six months – it won't be just Saddam loyalists or Shi'ite fundamentalists but ordinary Iraqis who will fight to get rid of the Americans. "We have a 9,000-year-old culture, you have a 200-year-old culture," one of the men said. "I think we can figure out our own future."... Iraqis are puzzled why the United States, a country that can make bombs so smart they target a particular building from 30,000 miles in the air, can't give Iraqis electricity or create a functioning economy. Some are so puzzled that they have concluded that the United States is purposely trying to destroy every aspect of the economy so that they can come in and rebuild it in their own image. Others attribute the mess to incompetence, arrogance or stupidity... For lack of an alternative, most Iraqis are still willing to give the United States more time in the driver's seat. But the clock is ticking and their patience is wearing thin. Baghdad Journal: The Clock Is Ticking
By Medea Benjamin, July 10, 2003 "The coalition did not act in Iraq because we had discovered dramatic new evidence of Iraq's pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, we acted because we saw the evidence in a dramatic new light – through the prism of our experience on 9-11."
Donald Rumsfeld, the Senate Armed Services Committee, last week. "The ... difference between North Korea and Iraq is that we had virtually no economic options with Iraq because the country floats on a sea of oil."
Paul Wolfowitz, Department of Defence website. Jakie IP: Logged |
Oxychick
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posted July 15, 2003 08:04 PM
Interesting stuff, Jacqueline. Thanks for sharing!IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
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posted July 15, 2003 08:10 PM
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"No man is an island intire of itselfe...Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."
John Donne
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StarLover33
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posted July 15, 2003 08:34 PM
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ally
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posted July 15, 2003 08:35 PM
" Since then looters or saboteurs have stolen electrical wires and toppled pylons. The suffocating heat only exacerbates the situation. Without fans or air-conditioning, working and sleeping is misery. Without refrigeration, food goes rancid. Without electricity, traffic lights don't work; roads are clogged and utterly chaotic. And without electricity, the streets are dark at night, so thieves roam at will... "
That so gets on my nerves. What is with all the adjectives? Is that just to make it seem worse than it is? Yes,it's terrible over there, but would leaving them right now really help? That's so ridiculous. Everything listed there are reasons as to why our work is not finished over there just yet. Yeah. That is such a great idea. Let's just bring all our soldiers home,and leave the Iraqis with no electricity,and their entire country in complete havoc.
I don't know why this ****** me off so much. People act like this was the worst war off all time. In reality, I doubt there was a war that included less casualties,less destruction than this one. I'm not trying to justify it. Any loss of life,whether 1 or 100 is terrible,but I'm just sick of people continually whining and shaking their fists at the president and the U.S., in general. We bombed the poor Iraqis, we did it on purpose and totally targeted the Iraqis and their homes. *rolls eyes* People need to make sure their opinion can be backed up with facts before they voice it. We used mainly precision guided weapons,the likes of which have never been used before,and if we had used anyother there would have been way more casualties. They tell us to keep out of every other country's business and just keep to ourselves. I actually think that's a great idea. Why don't we close off our borders,keep to ourselves and refuse to help any other country out? Let's see how long that lasts. Don't bite the hand that feeds you unless you know you can feed yourself.
This really sounded like a rant.lol,sorry. It wasn't aimed at anyone on this board,though.
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N_wEvil
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posted July 16, 2003 04:31 AM
the whole war was an utter farce.I said it before and i'm still saying it now; and you know what? i'm right. IP: Logged |
Oxychick
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posted July 16, 2003 06:13 AM
We all have opinions on the war, but it's how we back them up that counts. IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted July 16, 2003 06:44 AM
well i think the recent histories' kind of backed it up, don't you think?IP: Logged |
Oxychick
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posted July 16, 2003 07:09 AM
I don't know-does it? What I'm saying is it's naive to say "Blah blah blah and it's so because I'm right." Just my onion. IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted July 16, 2003 07:11 AM
and i am right because:
*points at news* I guess at least all that oil will give your economy a boost for a couple of years - pity so many people had to die for it IP: Logged |
ally
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posted July 16, 2003 07:29 AM
Was that aimed at my post? I stated there,
" I'm not trying to justify it . . ."Yes. The war IS a farce. No. It was not done for oil. We had nothing to gain from 'getting' their oil. Only like 5% of our oil comes from Iraq. It was done because our president is an idiot. IP: Logged |
N_wEvil
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posted July 16, 2003 07:37 AM
and most of the population too (no offense)my major beef is everyone got worked up over it, people died, it turned out to be a mistake.... and now everybodies saying "ahh well....lets forget about it." NO PEOPLE DIED because of this "mistake". Lack of accountability is what is driving your democracy onto the rocks, and the rest of the world is being dragged down the pan with you. You were quite happy to take the spot of "top nation" except you dont seem nearly as happy to accept the global responsibility that comes with such an advantage point. But why am i even bothering to write this? all that will happen is i'll just pique a few people and nobody will listen, because its not comfortable to hear things the way they actually are, and so this kind of thing will happen again, and again, and again.... until what? you provoke, yes - PROVOKE another terrorist attack? You already dominate the friggen world through far more effective means than de-facto ownership, everyone in the world is in your pocket and still you all remain blissfully unaware of the horrible impact your lack of thought and your apathy has on everybody else. Wake up.
for fates' sake just wake up. oh - this isnt aimed at anyone in particular. IP: Logged |
hrj777
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posted July 16, 2003 07:53 AM
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ally
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posted July 16, 2003 08:08 AM
"and most of the population too (no offense)"I'm sorry,but I WILL take offense to that. I would never say or even imply that the majority of ANY country's people are complete idiots.I think it's entirely ignorant of you to say/imply that.
Why? Because people are people,they're individuals,with differing opinions,regardless of origin and should/can not be lumped together. Who should wake up? Yes, everyone knows the war was a farce. I don't know anyone who tries to justify it. Believe it or not, the majority of the people here in the U.S. were AGAINST the war to begin with. I also don't know anyone who says we should all just forget about it. There's so many people here who lost loved ones over a war that was mainly unnecessary.
"still you all remain blissfully unaware of the horrible impact your lack of thought and your apathy has on everybody else." And this is complete BS. That is UTTERLY ridiculous. The American people should not be held accountable for the actions of their government.
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N_wEvil
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posted July 16, 2003 08:14 AM
elected representatives? i thought that was the foundation of democracy.we're back to the accountability argument. IP: Logged | |
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