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N_wEvil
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posted July 25, 2003 02:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone dug this up on a mailing list and it resonated with me

quote:

I am not happy with the world that I see.

My fate is decided by people I
have no faith in, by people elected in other countries who I equally have no
faith in and by ideologies and beliefs that do not seek good for all but for
the chosen. There is no great common good anymore, only repackaged remnants
of failed ideologies and financial ambitions.

In the early years of the 20th Century thinkers envisaged a "brave new
world" of the future. There was a fervour for how the world should be
remodelled. Movements such as Futurism and Modernism expressed their notions
of the world to come through art, architecture, music and thought. These
designs would require great change and mass social engineering in order to
be achieved. Somewhere the vision went wrong. Somewhere the execution of
these designs dictated a sanitised, homogenous future with no place for the
natural essences of humanity such as individuality, diversity, free thought
and spirituality. It espoused a time when humanity would be designed for the
world and not the other way around as Futurism had intended.

Here at the advent of the 21st century and the 3rd Millennium we live in an
age without vision, direction or decision. Instead cynicism and nihilism are
rampant among the youth who were once the source of our future visions. I
find no faith, enthusiasm or drive in our world to picture and create any
world to come. We exist in a future that we inherited by force. The plans to
build the future we now occupy came at the tail end of the so called "age of
enlightenment" where science promised all the answers and arrogantly began
to usurp the existence of and need for a God. Now we find ourselves in the
resulting age where faiths are questioned and where we seek a meaning for
our existence more and more with each passing day.

I am a product of the world which came as a result of a democratic clash
between future visions and a desperate desire to hold onto the past. I,
instead, chose to express 'retro futurism'. It is a view from our decaying
present day of a world which could have existed but lives only in the minds
of those who question the progress we were given. It is a world where
modernism had not sought to dehumanise us, where the ancient and mystical
still survive among towering spires of glass and concrete, where wars had
perhaps not been fought without lessons having been learned and a world that
was still a future forged by progress but essentially biological. It is a
world that retains valuable notions we have since thrown away, notions like
selflessness, chivalry, honour, courage and fortitude. It is an alternate
present built by great aspirations, combined human effort and noble causes.
We have always expressed emotion in this spirit of past and future combined.
We express what it means to know you are alive, to truly feel alive, to be
aware of ones surroundings and to contemplate them for every emotion and
every thought is vital to what we are and what we will become.

For all the enthusiasm to design the future that came from the beginning of
the last century I have to ask what mankind has since achieved and how it
came to waste such ambition. It is for our children that we build this
world. Somewhere along the way I feel this notion was lost.

I am not happy with the world that I see but that does not mean that I and
others like me cannot change it.

Ronan Harris,
March 2001


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ozonefiller
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posted July 25, 2003 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see what he is saying and it sounds just about right,for the first part of his letter.

The last part of his letter however,well,I believe that their's nothing that any of us can do at this present time....

I read the quadrans of Nostradamous,I read the prophocies of the Bible,I keep my eyes on the News all the time and I use my own special gifts(I'm a Scorpio,with a Capricorn rising,you know)it's bad! The "ship" is vearing towards the rocks and the "sails" are down! This can not be stoped, I'm afraid! And if anybody tries to stop it right now,will only get burned in the end!

Their is a quadran from Nostradamous that says(I don't remember the words exactly) that the "children" of the Antichrist from long past,will not learn from they're father's mistakes for all they're ignorance,will only serve the same FATE of they're father's. I feel strongly that this is that time! The Europians know it all too well,I'm sorry!

Maybe this will all come quickly however and we WILL see the day of peace,for it does say in the Bible "if the days were not cut short,no flesh will be saved,but for the elects sake,those days will be cut short!".

I don't know what will come of this,but I do know that "Humanity" is being split down the middle, maybe for evolution as well! Maybe the prophets can see,but could not explain where we can simply can see and understand a little better what is happening to us,but one thing's for sure,it is happening! These are the beginings of the birth pains and with these kind changes,maybe it's nature's way to say that we are ready for the "next" step,but the road has a fork in it and some will decide to take one path,while the others will take the other path,maybe to the point that we will seperate and never see one another ever again! There's only HOPE! That's all we can do!~tears rolling down checks~

May PEACE be with us all!

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Jaqueline
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posted July 25, 2003 05:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
N_wEvil... I like it !

My fate is decided by people I
have no faith in, by people elected in other countries who I equally have no
faith in and by ideologies and beliefs that do not seek good for all but for
the chosen. There is no great common good anymore, only repackaged remnants
of failed ideologies and financial ambitions.

Thanks for share

Jakie

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LoonyFish
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posted July 25, 2003 06:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awwwww wEvil!
quote:
every emotion and
every thought is vital to what we are and what we will become

So true!!!

ozone - That one line is the answer to the darkness you see ahead. IMHO.

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"If immortality be untrue, it matters little whether anything else be true or not." - Buckle

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ozonefiller
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posted July 25, 2003 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's also the light at the end of the tunal,I think.


The Narrow Way Lyrics:Following the path as it leads towards the darkness in the north
Weary strangers’ faces show their sympathy
They’ve seen that hope before
And if you want to stay for a little bit
Rest your aching limbs for a little bit
Before you the night is beckoning
And you know you can’t delay
You hear the night birds calling you
But you can’t touch the restless sky
Close your aching eyes beyond your name
Mist is swelling, creatures crawling,
Hear the roar get louder in your ears
You know the folly was your own
But the force behind can’t conquer all your fears
And if you want to stay for a little bit
Rest your aching limbs for a little bit
Before you the night is beckoning
And you know you can’t delay
You hear the night birds calling you
But you can’t touch the restless sky
Close your aching eyes beyond your name
Throw your thoughts back many years
To the time when there was life in every morning
Perhaps a day will come
When the nights will be as on that morning
And if you want to stay for a little bit
Rest your aching limbs for a little bit
Before you the night is beckoning
And you know you can’t delay
You hear the night birds calling you
But you can’t touch the restless sky
Close your aching eyes beyond your name
Rest your weary head, be on your way.
-David Gilmore,Pink Floyd

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StarLover33
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posted July 25, 2003 11:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OzoneFiller, you need to take a chill pill, and just sit back and relax! Becuase their are lots of things going on to prevent, as much as their is to provoke.

The worst thing to be, is a doom-day fortune teller, Ra doesn't want to hurt anybody and he never will. He only accepts the fate of mankind becuase he sees it as a transition to a new Golden Age of spirituality and not religion.

Religion and spirituality are two completely different forces. They're not together at all. It's the fear of god/dess that sets you apart from your higher self. Fear is only a control mechanism that only feeds hate like fire.

Nobody and I mean nobody should be afraid of this silly antichrist, nor will this pathetic antichrist be thrown to the pits of hell. Becuase I have pity for him and so does God/dess and he will be forgiven just like the devil. We will be forgiven and so will the devil himself.

-StarLover

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Randall
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posted July 26, 2003 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if...the Devil repents?

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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark

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ally
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posted July 26, 2003 10:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
every emotion and
every thought is vital to what we are and what we will become


Why is this? I think and feel alot of things that will never and could never shape who/what I become.

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juniperb
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posted July 26, 2003 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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N_wEvil
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posted July 26, 2003 01:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But surely you think and feel some things?

actually, could it not be argued that the fact you're thinking and feeling at all shows a self-modifying conciousness and memory that is continually changing?

I sympahtise with Ozonefillers' argument - there's a breaking point coming.

Randall - did you ever consider it might be god that has to repent? after all...the circumstanced surrounding lucifers' expulsion from heaven are somewhat sketchily recoreded in the old testament!

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StarLover33
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posted July 26, 2003 02:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the Devil has already repented and it's his deception that is still remaining rapant on the earth.

If there is no time, then there are Future Selves who believe we're living in Past times. Basically, the antichrist and his world domination has already happened, and were just living in the past still awaiting for that arrival.

Yes there is a breaking point, no denying that, but if you think and image positively, we don't have feel all the pain that goes with it. Some people predict that California will go down in the ocean, but if you image the positive then it doesn't have to occur. Alteast in one dimension it won't happen.

BTW, I didn't coin this myself, I learned that stuff from Linda and a whole bunch of old strings on the site. You just have to read around.

-StarLover

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ozonefiller
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posted July 26, 2003 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please, don't think of me cynical for saying anything of this,but GOD DOESN'T PLAY DICE AND NEITHER DOES HE BARGAIN WITH ANYONE OR ANYTHING! God will NOT forgive Lucifer for what he has done,what he's tried to do,nor for what he's about to do in due time! And for the most part Lucifer will not ask for forgiveness from GOD,anyway! So,that's that(even Steven). To the Angels we are nothing more then children taking baby-steps! The only problem that 1/3 of them really have against us,is the fact that the day will come when they face the reality that we WON'T become like them and follow THEY'RE lead,we will become MORE THEN them and be more like the LORD that THEY serve and in time serve us as well! THAT is what is going on right now at this point,I'm sorry!

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Randall
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posted July 26, 2003 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Star, I think you are on to something. According to Linda, Set has long repented. But the illusion and deception lives on. www.star-notes.com

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N_wEvil
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posted July 26, 2003 04:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Starlover - interesting post.


There's a ludicrously brainiac hard sci-fi novel from Steven Baxter called "space" which is where humans get wiped out - whatever they do - except there's an interesting monologue where a set of protagionists are trained to think "backwards" in time.

I can only imagine how cool a world would be that increased in order over time

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ally
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posted July 26, 2003 08:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only problem that 1/3 of them really have against us,is the fact that the day will come when they face the reality that we WON'T become like them and follow THEY'RE lead,we will become MORE THEN them and be more like the LORD that THEY serve and in time serve us as well! THAT is what is going on right now at this point,I'm sorry!


And you know this because? I've never read anything like that in the bible. We will not become more than them,we are entirely different creatures. We are humans,they are angels;there is absolutely no comparison.

GOD DOESN'T PLAY DICE AND NEITHER DOES HE BARGAIN WITH ANYONE OR ANYTHING!

And why is this? God (according to the bible) is loving, merciful and will forgive those who repent for their sins. If ( hypothetically speaking) satan truly did repent or ask forgiveness and god did not forgive him then god would be a hypocrite. The worst hypocrite of all time. So in stating what you've stated,you've essentially insulted god.

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ozonefiller
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posted July 26, 2003 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Revelation 19;10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Where does it really say that Satan repented?

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ally
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posted July 26, 2003 10:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe you should reread my post. That quote from the bible proves nothing. It says nothing there that justifies or proves what you stated before.

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StarLover33
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posted July 26, 2003 10:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Bible doesn't have to say it. God is like a Father and a Mother, he will punish you, but in the end you're not denied the right for love and benevolance.

When I become a mother, and I've got a kid who likes bullying other children around, I'm not going throw him out of the house and never let him in, because he was awfully bad. I'm going to take him by the ear, spank'm in the bum, and put him/her in their lonely room for a respectable amount of time. Then afterward I'll warn them not to do it again, until he's learned his lesson. Then he/she will say sorry, kiss me on the cheek, and play once again with the other children.

I'm speaking only in simple terms but you know what I mean. The devil will not get off without a punishment, none of us do, and he knows that. He's suffered for it enough, but he won't be denied the right to love and be loved again.

I don't really understand the bible, people have confused it for me, especially when it comes to the truth, they make it sound fearful and say feel god's wrath.

-StarLover

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ally
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posted July 26, 2003 10:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But why is that? God does not punish us humans if we repent or ask for forgiveness. If god were to punish satan then . . .god would be a hypocrite. It says in the bible that he is merciful and forgiving. Saying that he would to turn satan away if satan asked forgiveness,then like I inferred before, he would be a hypocrite and a liar and saying so means you're insulting god.

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ozonefiller
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posted July 26, 2003 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Com'on now, what are you asking me to do,run around bare bottom naked in the middle of the night and shout out God's name until he brings out a bolt of lightning and strikes you dead? Will that do the trick? What do you want?!

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ally
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posted July 26, 2003 10:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No. I want you to realize your mistake or rather misunderstanding.

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ozonefiller
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posted July 26, 2003 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BUT YOU KEEP ON ASKING"If,if,if" You say this,but has Satan EVER repented? What are you,the Devil that ready to turn over a new leaf??!! And your still deciding whether you should or not?

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ozonefiller
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posted July 26, 2003 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh please, enlighten me,what mistake?

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StarLover33
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posted July 26, 2003 10:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You need to relax, ozone! Ally is just asking valid questions. Don't drive her away that's not the way to do anything.

"Mr. Devil, where ever you are, don't come knocking at my doorstep, but I forgive you! Right now it's the only thing I can do, without fear. But please don't come knocking at my doorstep. Please respect my wishes, thank you!"

PS. I hope your back with Eve, I'm sure she misses you, as much as you miss her! Okay, goodbye Adam!

-StarLover

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ally
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posted July 26, 2003 10:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your mistake/misunderstanding that god is not forgiving or that he would not forgive satan if he repented. I'm not saying satan ever has,but I think that by implying what you did, you're essentially insulting god in the process. What you inferred goes against what's written in the bible.

Acts 26
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

So, if satan (the actual root of all evil) were to repent and ask for forgiveness,you'd think god would forgive him and be happy that satan would no longer influence people/beings to commit evil acts. You'd think that'd be god's ultimate goal. That the world be rid of evil. I mean,honestly, if not,then what is the point of jesus' and god's teachings? Isn't that the point of christianity? If satan were to repent,why would god not forgive him?

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