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StarLover33
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posted October 22, 2003 04:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been very curious with his rape case and I just wanted to know what others new or felt about it. How do you feel about athletes, do you think that he commited this crime? Do you think that the woman is faking or has ulterior motives? Please I hope someone besides myself has been following the case. And I'd like to share opinions, theories, and news with whoever.

P.S. I like basketball but I don't like the NBA. Does that make sense?

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juniperb
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posted October 22, 2003 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Star, I`ve kind of been following it.I have no opinion yet as to his guilt or innocence. All I can say is if he`s not guilty, a mans reputation and livelyhood has been absolutely destroyed.

I do sense a not guilty verdict comming tho. Now thats sticking my neck out

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theFajita3
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posted October 22, 2003 08:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just can't help but wonder why she didn't change her underwear from the last semen deposit?!?!

Anywho, what Juniperb said is so right. He'll be associated to that accusation whether it turns out to be true or not.

I personally do not think it is true that he raped her. This is not her first time making public waves either.

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proxieme
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posted October 22, 2003 09:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*shrugs*

He's guilty of something -
regardless of how all of this turns out, he hasn't denied the actual sex act...and he's married.

I know quite a few who were disappointed when finding out that he - who had presented himself as "different" from all of the "rest" of the famous atheletes (as he defined it) - doesn't walk his talk.

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juniperb
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posted October 23, 2003 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It`s always disappointing to find someone has commited adultery . That is between the spouses and shouldn`t be public property. Public hero or not, his martial behaviors should stay private. (idealistically anyhow)

The accusation of rape has far deeper connotations and is horrifying to think one as Kobe would use his position to act on it.

Guilty, not guilty? The courts will sort thru the evidence and and draw a conclusion.
My prayer is that justice prevails; he will be held according to his 'deeds'. But mostly, for his wife,family, & the young womans family. Such horror to suffer thru. They sure wrote some chart for thems-elves didn`t they ?

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pidaua
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posted October 23, 2003 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please don't get offended about what I going to say, because it is a little graphic.

My former husband is the commander of forensic services and the former head of the DNA lab. (I also was going for forensics with my background, but chose a different path) I learned alot about tricks the defense likes to use.

For example:

It takes 2-3 days for semen to decompose and be eliminated from the body. If a woman had consensual sex with a man and is raped within 48 hours, the fluids will produce a mixture. There is always leakage on the undergarments, unless she is wearing a pad, then you have to test the pad.

The tranferance of public hair is simple. If she has a relationship and there was pubic hair from her man that may have fallen into her jeans (the same jeans she wore after sex or if she placed them inside out on the carpet) they will pick up any fiber, hair or whatever else is around. Say she put on her panties, threw on the jeans and within 30 minutes urinated. As she is pulling up or down her panties...there falls a pubic hair from the boyfriend (One of the guys my ex works with presented this scenario at a major forensic conference to demonstrate how common the transfer of hair is).

So her body is eliminating the semen for X amount of days and she has sex with Kobe (forced or consensual)which produces a mixture (unless he wore a condom or pulled out, then his may have been eliminated within a few hours or was non-existant). Her cells are also present making up three seperate DNA types present in the mixture, or at least two.

NOW, it is the defense job to denconstruct science by introducing far out scenarios. The attorney introduces that there was a "MIXTURE" of various DNA types, which means the woman is a **** (Ahhhhhhh, yes, that is what the outsiders believe, until in the real case the prosectution produces the evidence showing the mix consists of her cells, the boyfriends and the rapist). Yes, there are three types present, BUT on close inspection it is not what we think.

The Defense attorney must also introduce as many variables as possible to try to throw off the jury, remember these people don't really care about right or wrong, it is all about winning the case at all costs. It will be up to the forensic examiners to explain the mixture, transfer of evidence and the commonality of such occuring.

We were only able to see a tiny piece of what is to come, but the prosecution barely showed their hand. Let's just hope the truth comes out and justice is served.

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juniperb
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posted October 23, 2003 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Pid forensic science completely fascinates me. I admit to watching the Forensic Files religously.

It sounds like a long and convoluted case. I pray as you, that justice will be served thru the sciences and the wisdom in utilizing them. Not on who finds a way to win at any cost

juniperb

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StarLover33
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posted October 23, 2003 12:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I didn't expect to get many responses. But any how my thoughts and feelings are as follows:

I have heard from others that rape cases are extremely difficult to prove. In fact they're one of the worse cases to prove. This woman is going to have it hard no matter what. I appreciate the media respecting her privacy.

But back to the case, the defense will be entirely ruthless, whether or not he did it. Their plan is to win at all costs. So of course I don't think Kobe Bryant is entirely worried becuase their was too much consensual agreement that went on. For one thing, what the hell was she expecting to do going back to his room? I believe I read in an article that it was more than just once. He kept calling to get help for appliances, she was the one coming up to help him.

I believe when her shift was over, she went back up to his room, and he invited her to join in his hot tub. She refused, then he started kissing her, afterward she pulled back, and then started to leave. But before long that's when the rape occured. Her biggest mistake was going back to the room after her shift which makes it look entirely consensual. Maybe she was very naive but you can't prove that.

As for her evidence, I think that will all be thrown away. Why? Because for one thing, Kobe Bryant is a very large man. If she is very small, of course he is going to stretch her vagina to the point where its uncomfortable even causing it to bleed. The bruises on her body could have been done by the passion that goes on in sex. For instance, he could have been sucking her neck or groping her a little too agressively, which is understandable for his size.

I am certian that with his powerful defense, they will find anything and everything to discredit her. They're going to make her out be just another groupie in the basketball world. They're going to make it look like she wants his money and that she planned this lame story to become famous and all of this and that. My feelings tell me that she doen't stand a chance. Kobe Bryant is too damn valuable for money's sake. You think the "powers that be" are going to allow Bryant to go to jail. Yah right! When pigs fly, he needs to bring money to the franchise.

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StarLover33
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posted October 23, 2003 01:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
P.S. Oh yes, Proxieme he did deny the sex act in the beginning. But when the evidence came out he fessed up by saying it was consensual.

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trillian
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posted October 23, 2003 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Remember the old saying, "believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear?"

Goodness StarLover, you have convicted this man based only on your 'feelings' and what you think happened! We haven't even heard all the evidence yet in this case! With all due respect, , I don't see any logic in your argument.

The stories circulating through the media are varied and some are attributed to vague sources, claiming, for instance, that this girl made it her mission to meet and seduce Kobe.

The only thing sure at this point, is that he is guilty of adultery, and his wife seems to be standing by him.

I too hope that justice will be served within our flawed court system. In any case, they have chosen their paths, they will reap their own karma.

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StarLover33
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posted October 23, 2003 01:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know what Trill, right after I wrote that, I felt uncomfortable leaving the last part so I decided to delete it (you can't see it anymore sorry). When I a took a second thought, maybe it wasn't a good idea to tell people my opinion part. But it was too late you already posted. Darn. Oh well I'll keep my opinions to myself, but the top part is still what I agree with. It's what I consider most logical. I'm sorry we all make mistakes.


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pidaua
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posted October 23, 2003 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You would be surprized how easy it is to prove a rape case. Most of them are pleaded out. This one will be more difficult because he is a celebrity and the question about consent is at hand.

As far as him being so "huge". There is no penis the vagina cannot handle. That is from my human biology / human sexuality professors.

At any rate, bruising can be subjective. The worst tearing and bleeding is from the penetration without lubrication. Should that occur, the friction is what causes the damage. There can be some occurance also in normal intercourse. The defense will argue that she was into some rough play, which result in bruising around the neck and thighs.

So it all hinges on consent.

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StarLover33
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posted October 23, 2003 01:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right, another problem is that lubrication can vary in different women. Also, just because she didn't feel pleasure doesn't mean that it wasn't consensual. So that ends up being very difficult to interpret. With a good defense, I think it can be dropped and that's what my point was. Thank you Pidua for your information.

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juniperb
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posted October 23, 2003 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Until all the evidence is laid out, it is very difficult to make an opinion based on clear, hard facts.

So far as I`ve gleaned, the prosecution has not stated it`s evidence in full. The defense is using the time honored "make the woman appear a ***** ' tactic. It will all come into the open when all the evidence has been presented.

Forensics should be able to make its case clear whatever the truth is. I agree after the forensics play out, was it consent? In my onion, that will be the toughest aspect to ascertain .

Until then, I have no onion as to guilt or consent.

Some heavy Karma all the way around.

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StarLover33
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posted October 23, 2003 02:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I pretty much agree with what everyone has said.

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silverbells
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posted October 23, 2003 05:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never liked Kobe Bryant. He always rubbed me the wrong way really hard. I always thought that he was fake. I never knew a lot about him but he always seemed like a b****** , one of these guys who pretend to be proper but behind closed doors he is a jerk-*** who never likes to be wrong and treats women like subordinates.

I don't know what to think about his innocence. I do think that he has a wife and he should know that she could be publicly humiliated not to mention emotionally shattered if any infidelity was found out, and he being famous that was more likely than usual. He was just being inconsiderate, heartless and an all-around jackass.
What a piece of garbage.

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theFajita3
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posted October 23, 2003 11:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is not her first time in the media. Something isn't right about this, I beleive she fabricated the rape part of this story. And I didn't come to that conclusion in any regards to the mixture of semen in her panties at all.

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juniperb
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posted October 24, 2003 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had never heard of Kobe before this media blitz so I have no onion of him at all.

When is the trial supposed to start?

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theFajita3
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posted October 24, 2003 10:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had never heard of him either. I don't know when it starts though.

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Aphrodite
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posted October 25, 2003 09:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sex is a complicated subject. All kinds of cords are made when people engage in it. The trouble begins when participants are made to ask who owned what during the experience, who was responsible, what did the other person take from this, what did they do in their past, etc. A whole exchange of power so profound that mere words do not give it justice.

What is sad is that a woman says she was raped, and I have yet to read an article or comment about what kind of help she is receiving to relieve the painful experience. It is even sadder to think there are more rape cases that go unreported because women in general are not given the respect and support they need when they speak out about being violated. Many women are left with the burden of trying to work it out alone.

The worst of it is that most people will think more about the stereotypes and make up stories, than listening to the individuals themselves. Women have the extra burden of fighting against stereotypes so deeply ingrained in our society.

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juniperb
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posted October 26, 2003 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said Amy

Last night A&E did an one hour special on the glory days of Kobe. Isn`t that biased? Why would they show that sort of tribute to Kobe when he`s embroiled in this mess? It seems so completely unfair and leading.

I did not watch it but if I did, I`m sure I would have walked away with a bias no matter how small.

Utterly wrong in my onion.

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trillian
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posted October 27, 2003 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yeah, it might be biased...but also a potential ratings-getter. Television is not benevolent, nor is it generally concerned with a 'greater good.' It is a ratings/money-making machine.

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QueenofSheeba
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posted November 01, 2003 03:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally I will go with whatever the jury decides... they know a lot more than I do. But from my own opinions:
Kobe, perfect Kobe, friend of the little children and advertising ajencies, rape someone? It's possible, but not really in character. Unfor., Kobe's defence has gone down the road of villifying the woman, implying that she's a **** . That was low of them. It feel like something from fifty or sixty years ago: if a woman accuses a man of raping her, call the woman is a ***** who sleeps around, and suddenly the man gets off squeaky clean. It's also possible the sex was consensual, but afterwards the woman decided she had been 'raped' and decided to make a big deal out of it.

But it's up to the jury.
I feel sorry for Kobe, though.

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StarLover33
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posted November 02, 2003 12:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't feel sorry for Kobe, I feel sorry for his wife and his child. He recently insulted Shaquille O'neal, looks like they hate each other, and it's not like you can't see why.

He wen't back to the stadium and everyone applauded and cheered like they never wanted to fathom the possiblity. This is terribly biased, if not pure evil. We need to stop treating these people like gods (they are simply far from it) every single last one of them. It's becoming very devil-like. Even for the innocent celebrities, who are forced to face stalking fans who then end up tearing apart their families and friends.

Both sides are to blame for this terrible predicament. And something's got to give.

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theFajita3
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posted November 02, 2003 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can't blame Kobe for having a huge fan base, people decided that on their very own. And it wasn't him who said sometthing about Shaq was it? I thought it was someone else. Anyways, lawyers get down dirty when they have a big case, it's always been that way. My feeling, they'll come to a $$$ settlement.

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