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jwhop
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posted February 03, 2004 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Scourge of Internet Taxes
Matt Clark, Americans for Tax Reform
Tuesday, Feb. 3, 2004

The Internet is under attack: E-mail, as well as several other Internet services, is now subject to taxes.


http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/2/154143.shtml

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Aphrodite
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posted February 03, 2004 12:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*sighs*

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juniperb
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posted February 03, 2004 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Methinks they can my over-taxed butt

Guess these senators and special interest friends gave away their position in the CFR, Bilderbergers and Trilateral Comm.

juniperb

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posted February 03, 2004 01:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some more information about this...

October 1998, Congress enacted the Internet Tax Freedom Act (ITFA), which called for a 3-year moratorium on state and local taxes on Internet access and multiple or discriminatory taxes on e-commerce. After the provisions of ITFA expired in October 2001, they were extended for another two years by passage of the Internet Tax Nondiscrimination Act (ITNA). The two-year extension provided by ITNA expires on 1 November 2003.

The Internet Tax Non-Discrimination Act, a piece of legislation intended to permanently extend the moratorium enacted by the Internet Tax Freedom Act, was introduced to Congress in 2003. It was passed (as H.R. 49) by the House of Representatives on 17 September 2003 (under a motion to suspend the rules, agreed to by voice vote), but the Senate version (S. 150) has not yet been passed or voted upon.

The claim that the Senate is considering a "tax on every item on the Internet, to include a tax on each e-mail sent out" is incorrect. The Senate is merely considering whether or not to extend the moratorium on Internet taxes created by the earlier Internet Tax Freedom Act and Internet Tax Nondiscrimination Act; the Senate is not proposing any specific Internet-related taxes at this time. (A future e-mail tax remains a possibility if the bill is not passed, however.)

As described by The New York Times, the bill is hung up in a Senate debate over whether a permanent moratorium on Internet taxes might eventually become too broad a ban and deprive states of much-needed revenue streams:

The argument over the bill has been as heated as a chat-room brawl. Opponents contend that state coffers will be emptied as more areas of commerce — like telephone service — become Internet-based and fall within the ban. "Every time we, in our wisdom, tell a state or a city that it cannot use this tax, all we are doing is increasing the chance that Minnesota or Tennessee will increase some other tax, or fire some teachers or lay off some employees or close some parks," Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee, said Tuesday on the Senate floor.

Supporters argue that the states want to tax every e-mail message, even every electron. The bill, they say, will not have the dire effects that opponents predict.

The only thing that both sides agree on, it seems, is that the bill has nothing to do with banning sales taxes on online purchases. The moratorium bans taxes on Internet access, including high-speed access through telephone digital subscriber lines; "discriminatory" taxes, which include taxes by multiple states on the sales of a single item; and taxes that would treat Internet purchases differently from sales at brick-and-mortar stores.
As of 26 November, the Senate had still postponed voting on the bill after deadlocking on whether DSL services should be exempt from Internet access taxes, and how long the moritorium on Internet taxes should be extended if it is not made permanent. Debate continues over whether or not the Internet is still a fledgling industry in need of protection from the federal government.

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pidaua
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posted February 03, 2004 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is total Crap!! We are already taxed on things we buy online(my wonderful comptroller here in the great lame state of MD will show up at your door should you buy anything without paying the state sales tax). Our phone line are already taxed. Why should I pay another tax for using my exisiting taxed phone line to call a number just because it dials into the Internet?

We have to stop this abuse of congress. I am going to write my state peeps (not that Cadaver Sarbanes or Shrew Mikulski would ever say no to taxes LOL)

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Harpyr
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posted February 03, 2004 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BLAAAAAAHHHH.. What a bunch of BS!

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jwhop
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posted February 04, 2004 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm totally against establishing the principal that it's OK to tax any Internet services. Once the politicians get past that hurdle, they will find a way and a reason to tax it all. Take a look at your phone bill, for instance.

The best way to prevent it from getting started is to make it clear to your representatives at the city, county, state and federal level that you will personally vote against them in the next election if they vote to institute taxation on Internet services.

Nothing easier, with the advent of email, than making your position known to all your elected representatives. The ratio they take into consideration is that for every one communication they receive on any issue, there are 10,000 who have similar views.
1 to 10,000 gives you a powerful voice when you communicate your views to the political class.

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pidaua
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posted February 04, 2004 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, this is the letter that I am writing to all my representatives, including my Governor


Dear Representative,


As a citizen of Maryland and someone that uses the Internet for both business and personal reasons, I would like to express my complete displeasure with the proposed taxation of the Internet. Along with many of my family members, friends and colleagues, I am against any taxation of a medium that allows all people the chance to keep connected to family, friends and business contacts.

Most importantly, I feel this would be detrimental to those constituents in the lower income bracket that cannot even afford computers and must rely on public libraries to stay in contact with the outside world.
Taxing the Internet will prevent our senior citizens and lower income populations from the ability to adequately research information about medications, look for jobs and receive important notifications concerning vital issues.

It will also prevent the population from allowing our voices to be heard as I am doing now. If all people had to pay a tax not only to access the government through the Internet, but also by sending an e-mail, you are cutting out the very people you have promised to protect. Passage of this bill will cause to me re-evaluate the representatives I support in this state and would throw my allegiance to other candidates that are more sympathetic to the needs of all people, specifically the elderly and disadvantaged.

Sincerely,

ME

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posted February 04, 2004 11:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the internet is going to be taxed anyway, regardless of any bru-ha-ha.

Just my onion.

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Harpyr
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posted February 04, 2004 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop.. it always tickles me when we both strongly agree on the same thing..

Aph, maaaybe.. maaybe not..Let's not lose all hope just yet..
I'm going to email my congressman now.

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jwhop
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posted February 04, 2004 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, here's mine, sent this morning to my Congressman, US Senators and Governor Bush.

It's not as refined and respectful as yours Pidaua and won't measure up to yours Harpyr but it sounds angry, even to me and that's the impression I wanted to convey.

Senators:
Nelson
Graham

Congressman:
Bill Young

Governor:
Jeb Bush

It has come to my attention the House of Representatives passed a ban on Internet taxation in September 2003, only to have the cowardly Senate of the United States cave in to a gaggle of special interest groups, including the National Governor Association (NGA) and the Multi-State Tax Commission (MTC).

Hats off to the House of Representatives and Congressman Young.

I connect to the Internet by phone modem. A quick review of my phone bill reveals I'm paying plenty of tax, including Federal, State and local taxes for the service.

My service provider is paying corporate taxes to the Federal, State and local governments as well.

That's enough. It's also enough from the tax, spend and wind crowd who proclaim the sky is falling whenever they wish to increase taxes.

I'm not normally a single issue voter, nor am I an activist but I will campaign tirelessly to defeat anyone running for elected office who votes to tax the Internet or it's related activities.

Sincerely,

jwhop


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pidaua
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posted February 04, 2004 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop,

That was classic. You chose the right words, I guess I am bit too refined at times LOL..I really wanted to let my more liberal (which is 90% of the peeps in office) know that taxing the Internet will hurt the same people they are always preaching they will protect. It's not only wealthy people accessing information online.

Aph,

I hope things don't go that route. It would be sad to see people having to pay so much for access. The gov gets enough from our phone, electric and gas, let alone the Internet.

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Aphrodite
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posted February 04, 2004 03:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope not too, Harpyr and Pidaua. I could think of only 1 thing that does not get domestic taxes in the U.S., and that's food --- the grocery type. Everything else we use is taxed. Even a trip down the used goods store for a couple of juice glasses is taxed. I think it would be hard to convince bureaucrats right now that the internet is as a basic necessity as food.

Signed,

Dour Pessimist

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Randall
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posted February 05, 2004 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the government isn't careful, they will cross the line where the common man and woman will simply refuse to pay. This government was built by tax protesters. I smell another "tea party" in the making.

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Aphrodite
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posted February 05, 2004 02:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hehe, Randall. A tidal wave of tea is most humorous. Sugar in yours?

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pidaua
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posted February 05, 2004 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Food is taxed in Idaho. My brother lives in Post Falls and it drives him nuts so he and his Scorp wife drive over to Washington.

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Randall
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posted February 05, 2004 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll take milk in mine. Just a reminder of where we came from.

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Harpyr
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posted February 05, 2004 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well you know me.. I'm always up for some tea party action..

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pidaua
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posted February 05, 2004 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are such a cause-head Harpyr LOL...I love it.

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Harpyr
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posted February 06, 2004 01:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I can't help it. It's that passionate Scorp moon coupled with a very philosophic and idealistic Sag sun....

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posted February 06, 2004 03:25 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Harpyr, I think you are awesome.......

(Just thought I would add that in.)

Yeah, go ahead tax everything, while the standard of living keeps increasing, decent jobs are outsourced, and pretty soon the only jobs will be at Wal-mart, and no one will be able to afford to shop there.

Service charges for "customer service" from your phone companies, cable service, gas companies..nothing is really changed, except the growing need for corporations to prove to stockholders that they turn a profit, so people will invest fictional money in the stock market gamble but still screw the low ranking employees out of a pension plan.
Keep in mind when you call for customer service, you are talking to India.

Arrrrgh!!! Sorry for the rant, it makes me snarky.....the way the world has become. Millions of lost manufacturing jobs, just so middle America can by pickles by the gallon for $3.49 instead of $3.99.
There are so many new "charges" and "taxes" that more and more of our take home income is sucked into the hole of paying CEOs 400% more than the average employee.

Can you say "wage slave"?????

PS I still hand write letters to my legislators....email is WAY too easy to ignore. AND with the abundance of spam and viruses, most security firewalls, as I would imagine Congress would have, wont even allow hotmail or yahoo addresses. They get filtered out. Same with email petitions..

*SIGH*

And.....well, I am paranoid...Scorp Asc.
LOL
I hate the fact I can be tracked by an IM protocol.

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jwhop
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posted February 06, 2004 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look out, your ISP/E-mail provider is considering charging for sending email as a means to cut down on spam. Problem is, once that starts, it's a short step to charging everyone who sends email. Talk about a cash cow for service providers.
http://www.internetnews.com/IAR/article.php/3307601

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