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QueenofSheeba
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posted March 11, 2004 05:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The New York Times
March 11, 2004

Spain Struggles to Absorb Worst Terrorist Attack in Its History
By ELAINE SCIOLINO

MADRID, March 11 — In the bloodiest terrorist attack in modern Spanish history, 10 bombs exploded during the this morning's rush hour in three commuter train stations here. The Interior Ministry said more than 190 people were killed and more than 1,200 wounded.

Three other bombs were discovered and detonated by the police in the highly coordinated explosions, which went off within a 10-minute period.

As the country struggled to absorb the carnage just three days before general elections, Prime Minister José María Aznar appeared on television and called the attacks "mass murder." He vowed that Spain would never negotiate with "these assassins."

Mr. Aznar added, "March 11 now has it place in the history of infamy."

Already some Spaniards are calling the attacks the country's "9/11," and the front page of a special edition of the biggest daily, El Pais, this afternoon ran the headline, "11-M."

There was no advance warning of the attacks. At first, the Spanish authorities blamed E.T.A., the Basque group that has been seeking independence from Spain for more than three decades.

Later today, however, the Interior Ministry said the police had found a van with detonators and an Arabic-language tape of Koranic verses, according to news agencies, and that it was considering all lines of investigation.

An Arabic newspaper, Al-Quds al-Arabi, said it had received a claim of responsibility for the train bombings issued in the name of Al Qaeda.

The five-page e-mail claim, signed by the shadowy Brigade of Abu Hafs al-Masri, was received at the paper's London offices. It said the brigade's `death squad" had penetrated "one of the pillars of the crusade alliance, Spain."

"This is part of settling old accounts with Spain, the crusader, and America's ally in its war against Islam," the claim said.

The government declared a three-day period of mourning, and political parties participating in the elections called off all remaining campaign events, although elections will proceed as scheduled.

"All of Spain is suffering," said Mariano Rajoy, the front-runner and leader of the governing Popular Party, who has made the war on terrorism a centerpiece of his campaign and pledged to follow Mr. Aznar's policies. "This is a moment to put aside differences and show unity with the victims and their families."

Most of the victims were ordinary middle- and working-class people and university students commuting into Madrid, although children were also among the dead.

At the main Atocha commuter station in the heart of Madrid, just a block from the Prado Museum, an explosion cut a train in two, sending pieces of metal high into the air. Bloody victims crawled from mangled train cars and staggered into the streets. Other victims were found burned to death in their seats.

There, as at the nearby Santa Eugenia and El Pozo stations, broken bodies and body parts were thrown along the platforms; in the aftermath, rescue workers unused to massive terrorist attacks struggled to separate the dead from the wounded.

Amet Oulabid, a 23-year-old carpenter, said he got off the front of the train at the Atocha station just seconds before the bomb went off in one of its rear cars.

"I saw bodies flying," he said. "There was a security guard dripping with blood. People were pushing and running. I saw a woman who had fallen on the tracks because people were pushing so hard. I escaped with my life by a hair."

At El Pozo, just east of downtown Madrid, Luz Elena Bustos, 42, got off a nearby bus just 10 minutes before the explosion at that station.

"There were pieces of flesh and ribs all over the road," she said. "There were ribs, brains all over. I never saw anything like this. The train was blown apart. I saw a lot of smoke, people running all over, crying. I saw part of a hand up to the elbow and a body without a head face down on the ground. Flesh all over. I started to cry from nerves. There was a 3-year-old boy all burnt and a father was holding him in his arms, crying."

People combed the city's major hospitals in search of family members believed to be aboard the trains.

"Ay, please, God, this can't be happening," said Carmen Gómez, 47, sobbing as she studied a patient list — in vain — at Gregorio Marañón hospital, seven hours after the terrorist attack. She said her friend's 25-year-old daughter was aboard a train bound for Atocha station, but after traveling to four major hospitals, they had not yet located her. "How could a human being do this, how could a human being do this?" she asked.

The bombs, which were contained in plastic bags and backpacks, began exploding at about 7:50 a.m. The police quickly sealed off the bomb sites and blocked off surrounding streets; police helicopters flew over Madrid throughout the day, amid predictions that there could be other attacks.

The police had been put on a terror alert for a possible terrorist attack as the country prepares to go to the polls.

But the attacks clearly took Mr. Aznar, his government and the Spanish people by surprise. In an interview on Wednesday, Mr. Aznar, who survived an E.T.A. attack years ago, boasted that terrorism "is a lot weaker than it was."

The security situation seemed so stable that King Juan Carlos attended the soccer match between Spain's star-studded Real Madrid team and Munich on Wednesday evening.

Today, the king, accompanied by his wife, Queen Sofía, their son and heir, Prince Felipe, and his fiancée, Letizia Ortiz, visited a hospital in central Madrid to comfort survivors and their families.

The attacks on Madrid's busiest commuter train stations at the height of rush hour was clearly designed to inflict maximum civilian casualties, attract the world's attention and illustrate that Spain is not safe.

Despite overwhelming popular opposition, Spain was one of the most fervent supporters of the American-led war in Iraq and there are 1,300 Spanish troops on Iraqi soil. Last October, two audiotapes reportedly made by Osama bin Laden, the leader of Al Qaeda, said that his group had the "right to respond at any suitable time and place" against countries with forces in Iraq, listing Spain as one of his targets.

If the Basque group is responsible for today's bombings, it would be its deadliest attack; it killed 21 people in a supermarket blast in Barcelona in 1987. But E.T.A. has been severely damaged by cooperation between Spain and France, and last year, E.T.A. killed 3 people, compared with 23 in 2000 and 15 in 2001.

E.T.A. almost always gives warnings in advance and claims responsibility, and has never conducted an attack of this magnitude. But according to one Spanish government official, the bombers used a kind of dynamite also found in the bomb-laden van intercepted last month.

Arnaldo Otegi, leader of Batasuna, E.T.A.'s political wing, which has been banned in Spain, said E.T.A. probably was not behind the attacks, saying that the attack could have been the work of "Arab resistance."

Oh dear. and to Spain.

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spiria
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posted March 11, 2004 06:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
terrible terrible.

notice it is on the 11th of the month again. My birthday too.

Yes, love and light and healing energy to Spain!

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Everlong
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posted March 11, 2004 08:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't believe it. It's just so horrible to think about. How could anyone do this? Kill purely innocent people?

I was born in Madrid, and I have a lot of family and friends over there. I really hope they're all okay.

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posted March 11, 2004 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted March 12, 2004 01:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOVE AND ETERNAL WHITE LIGHT FOR ALL MADRID...+

AUM-GURU-OM

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posted March 12, 2004 01:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Namaste!

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trillian
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moondreamer
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posted March 12, 2004 04:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Terrible,terrible,terrible and dreadful.
What is society coming to?

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Carlo
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posted March 14, 2004 06:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and this just in...good riddance to Spain's pro-war imperialist regime...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4522638/

Love,
Carlo

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Carlo
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posted March 15, 2004 11:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... and the new thoughtful leaders of Spain are doing the right thing and bringing their boys home...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4522638/

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Carlo
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posted March 16, 2004 12:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and today, this...

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0316-06.htm

and yesterday,

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0315-13.htm

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posted March 16, 2004 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thoughtful leaders? We'll see if the people of Spain still agree in a couple of years. Socialism doesn't work. It only serves to bankrupt a country and to make its leaders wealthy. And what message does this send to the terrorists who killed 200 innocent Spaniards?

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Aphrodite
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posted March 16, 2004 01:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fickle.

That's all I've got to say about how all this is being dealt with. Terrorism in NOT a new concept in Europe, and Spain has been riddled with political instabilities with or without the US.

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StarLover33
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posted March 16, 2004 03:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't like what Spain is doing either. I agree it's a mistake.

-StarLover

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posted March 17, 2004 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure we will bail them out of any financial mess they get themselves into (with forgiven loans and such).

Bush called the new Prime Minister and wished him well; the war in Iraq wasn't even mentioned. What a tragedy this terroristic act is. Light to the families of the victims.

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proxieme
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posted March 17, 2004 08:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I heard that it happened 911 days the US's 9/11 (don't slam me if it didn't...everything's been making me tired lately, and I've too much stuff to do to look it up).

I also noticed that it happened on March 11 (on the axis for September 11th); when they were still automatically blaming ETA, and I thought, "No way...there's no way that they would've done this date."

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posted March 17, 2004 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This has B.S. written all over it.

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Carlo
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posted March 18, 2004 11:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me just tape this to your foreheads then...

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0317-08.htm

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posted March 19, 2004 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, Carlo, are you telling me you agree with that article? Or are you citing it as an example of the crap we are force-fed everyday through the media?

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posted March 19, 2004 10:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, you'd truly have to be smoking some pretty good bud to think you'd hear that type of commentary on Fox News lol...but keep smoking and watching, you never know

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posted March 19, 2004 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ENOUGH! Read to what you are implying Carlo, to suggest that the vote in Spain's elections for any Socialist party of any kind, to move foward towards the Spainards need for peace, is truely NOT thinking realistically!

If the people of Spain can't already see that this wicked act on 3/11 was nothing more than a mere Coup d'etat to move and manipulate Spain to a Socialist upheaval to Spain's democracy (under the shadow of Al-Qaida's provisions),then by far,they will never know!

One thing's for certain, the elections here in the US (by any means of WHO will be in office for the next four years)is not going to change either the statis of Iraq or of Spain's. Maybe the effort,moral,combative plans of the war will change, but pulling troops out of Iraq(US or otherwise) will be nill, realistically, Kerry has NO plans of pulling out either,we're just IN far too deep in this war! Spain is just beating a dead dog and slitting they're own throughts from NATO!

Think about it.


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posted March 19, 2004 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My heart goes out to Spain/Spaniards - not only did they suffer a terrible blow, but they allowed it to manipulate them like frightened children.

People tried to appease Hitler too, and we know how that turned out :-\

The fact is, the Aznar's govt enjoyed a healthy lead in polls until the bombing, then they capitulated - they showed their clear fear by voting for the Socialist appeaser. It's a prelude to what we'll be experiencing IMHO if Kerry gets into office.

Why didn't people learn in elementary school, you can't appease the bully, only embolden him by your fear and weakness.

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posted March 19, 2004 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...but the real question is that we need to ask ourselves is not "How fast can we pull out of this War on Terrorism?", but that is, "How much longer do we need to wait before the END of Terrorism?"

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Carlo
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posted March 19, 2004 06:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
uh no Isis, a 4% lead in the polls for a two-term president's party is anything but healthy...it's anemic. Spain's population enjoyed a full 90% disapproval rating of entering the war on Iraq...do put things in perspective, babe, before choosing your adjectives...

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posted March 19, 2004 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In fact, their lead was quite a bit greater, however in the few days leading up the bombing the numbers did begin to slip slightly.

If you search news sources for Spanish poll numbers prior to a week before the bombing, it was pretty much held to be a given that the Popular Party was going to win - they weren't going to hold on to their previously enjoyed majority in their parliament according to what I've read, but Mariano Rajoy's victory seemed to be viewed as a "given".

You know Carlo, if you insist on being snide and condescending, please refrain from speaking to me, period. I'll thank you to just ignore me and I'll do likewise.

And please don't call me Babe.

Thanks.

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