posted March 15, 2004 06:38 AM              

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Is anyone attending a Peace Rally in any of the planned cities??
I will be in Chicago, hope it is still legal!

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L.V.X. Annie

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posted March 15, 2004 10:00 AM              

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posted March 15, 2004 11:34 AM              

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yep, I will be at the one up the street in my city...have the poster on my fridge

I will send you sparkles that day Annie! And rejoice, Spain is pulling out of the war!

Love,
Carlo

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posted March 18, 2004 06:19 PM            

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IMHO: It's not a Peace march, they're "Anti-War" rallies, which IMHO are not the same thing.

Needless to say I won't be there...I think we're doing the right thing in Iraq. But it's nice to call it a Peace march, it makes it sound, well, more peaceful than they always end up being.

Calling all Anarchists: opportunity for gross property destruction this weekend...(since they always come out of the woodwork at these sorts of rallies)...

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posted March 18, 2004 08:06 PM            

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Yeah..not to mention all the stereotypes and gross generalizations that come out of the woodwork amidst discussion of such things.

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posted March 18, 2004 08:21 PM            

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LOL Touche

But that doesn't make what I said untrue

Do you know many anarchists? If you do or ever have, you'd know that they love large rallies that are in any way shape or form anti-govt because it gives them an opportunity to get down and dirty in the anonymity of the thousands of people there.

If you'd like I can post links to the numerous instances of property damage and violence that accompanies many of these rallies.

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posted March 18, 2004 08:28 PM            

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Maybe I'm an anarchist....

Either way I know lots of them and I was exposed to many dozens of others that I watched and protested with in Miami recently who did not engage in wanton, senseless property destruction.

Do you know any anarchists or are you just basing your broad generalization on what the mainstream media feeds you?

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posted March 18, 2004 08:39 PM            

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Yes, I know anarchists.

I generally do not base my opinions on what "the mainstream media" says - do you?

While all anarchists do not engage in wanton property destruction and violence during these rallies, many do.

Regardless, that was a side note to my amusement at calling an anti-war rally a "Peace Rally", which in my opinion is (not the poster but) the anti-war rally/extreme liberal's way of trying to mask the true purpose of the rally. Peace and anti-war are not analagous IMHO, sometimes war is neccessary for peace. The rallies are not to demonstate for peace, but rather to demonstrate in opposition to the war, and as I said, those two things IMHO are not analagous.

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posted March 18, 2004 11:07 PM              

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here, try this...

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0317-06.htm

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posted March 19, 2004 12:38 PM            

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I'm not sure how that's relevant to the discussion, but nonetheless I disagree with the article's premise, its main points, its point of view - not to mention, I don't think much of the UN so an article written by someone who used to work there (and surprise surprise a former UN employee/contractor pushing for UN Leadership in the Iraqi transition), I tend to take with a grain of salt in most cases.

But I'm not so blind as to not realize that I'm apparently in the minority here w/ my views, and rather than get into endless debates that inevitably degenerates into less than civil behavior (which I've seen you do IMHO in numerous posts Carlo - and in all fairness a behavior I'm not entirely above either when impassioned), I will just bow out and let y'all continue, I've made the point I wanted to make.

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posted March 19, 2004 02:01 PM              

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I hate to show my ignorance, but what does IMHO mean?

Also, anti-war and peace are quite similar concepts. I'm not sure I understand the semantic difference you are applying here.

I noticed in recent pictures from Baghdad that they have experienced quite a bit of property damage. Speaking of semantics, why is it that people fighting on the side we consider good are "freedom fighters" while those fighting on the side we consider bad are "insurgents"? Sometimes it is even the exact same people. For instance, in Afghanistan, when the local populace were resisting the Russians, they were "freedom fighters". Now we call the exact same group "radicals and insurgents". Seems like the whole thing is being skewed toward our likes and dislikes.

One more thing...today on Canadian and British news there were long reports about two middle eastern journalists that were shot by American soldiers. When Colin Powell began his press conference, he was asked if a full investigation would take place into the reason these two unarmed journalists were shot. He basically said that no investigation was planned. A large number of the press walked out in protest, claiming different treatment would have been given had it been Americans who were killed instead of Americans doing the killing. Here's the thing that confuses me...I watched CNN and Good Morning America after. Both had clips from Colin Powell's press conference, but did not mention that almost half the journalists had walked out in protest over this incident. I wonder why they wouldn't mention something that is of great concern to much of the world. I just don't get it.

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posted March 19, 2004 02:20 PM              

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I didn't even know that they had walked out in protest until I read what you wrote.

Oh, and IMHO = "In My Humble Opinion"
(The following *is not* directed against Isis, but is something that I've said for a while...) I've noticed that, generally, those using it aren't being humble at all, though.

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posted March 19, 2004 02:24 PM            

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IMHO= In my humble opinion

Ya, it just comes down to perspective really, doesn't it, my insurgents are the next guy's freedom fighters. Your peace rally is somebody's anti-war rally. Your potato is my potahto...

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posted March 19, 2004 02:29 PM            

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It's a saying essentially - there's probably some truth to what you say Prox, but my view of it is that it's a way of prefacing the statement, "this is my beliefs, I humbly offer them, take them as you will", not, "I am humble", I mean, throwing an opinion out there unsolicited (which would include everyone pretty much who bothers to state their opinions) is not in and of itself humble in the first place.

I think if it as an idiomatic phrase indicating: "this is my opinion, I'm not stating it as fact so don't attack me please"

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posted March 19, 2004 02:56 PM              

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Well, Proxieme, there are actually a lot of things that are shown on news programs around the world that never make it to American TV. As an American living in another country, I have the oportunity to see what is being played both at home and abroad. One case in point is when the war in Iraq started, we saw footage of American soldiers breaking down doors of houses where families were huddled inside. The men and boys (some looked pretty young) were drug out by the hair while tied up or handcuffed and thrown face down in the dirt. Many were hit or kicked. Some had clearly been beaten. The women and small children kneeled nearby screaming in terror and obviously begging the soldiers not to hurt anyone. Now, I understand that the soldiers had to go house to house and look for people who might resist them. They are at war, after all, and their lives are on the line. But it just looked horrible. Seeing such actions would definitely make a person understand why some Iraqis don't necessarily like the American occupation. For me, I think it helped to see the situation from both perspectives. I think it is kind of wrong that these pictures were immediately banned from US news programs so that the American people didn't get to see the whole picture. Our news is supposed to be free and unbiased, but clearly it is being edited to make us seem in the right at all times. And let's face it, no one person or country is right all the time. Mistakes are human. Reactions to battle situations can be very different from one person to the next. If the media is going to give us images of war every day, they should have to show all sides of the issue, not just the ones that show us off to advantage.

I'd be really interested to hear your take on all this. You were in military service and now your husband is in the Army. Do you worry about him being sent over there? Do you think things are being protrayed in a fair and unbiased way? My father served many years in Viet Nam and all my great-uncles were in WWII, but that is different from experiencing it yourself. Do you have any first hand insights you would care to share?

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posted March 19, 2004 06:13 PM              

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Discretion is sometimes the better part of valor, young Isis...and while I don't like to see myself as some kind of rabid dog, or cat, I do let my Leo Mars get the best of me sometimes and scratch and bite arses...not that you're an ass, though you have one I bet Hey, my government taught me the principle of "you're either with us or against us", so I guess being rabid about that omnipotent position is within bounds anywhere in the country, including this chat site. So cross me and risk being spanked, wildly. Although you'd be surprised, some people like that sort of thing

Have a nice week end! Or else, have a nice, weak end

Love,
Carlo

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