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Aphrodite
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posted March 18, 2004 12:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Justice Scalia Rejects Call To Step Aside on Energy Case

Associated Press
March 18, 2004 11:54 a.m.

WASHINGTON -- A defiant Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia refused Thursday to remove himself from a case involving his good friend Vice President Dick Cheney, dismissing suggestions of a conflict of interest.

In an unusual 21-page memorandum, he rejected a request by the Sierra Club, which said it was improper for Justice Scalia to take a hunting trip with Mr. Cheney while the court was considering whether the White House must release information about private meetings of Mr. Cheney's energy task force.

Justice Scalia said the remote Louisiana hunting camp used for a duck-hunting and fishing trip "was not an intimate setting" and that the energy case was never discussed.

The justice said he was guilty only of hunting with a friend and taking a free plane ride to get there. "If it is reasonable to think that a Supreme Court justice can be bought so cheap, the nation is in deeper trouble than I had imagined," Justice Scalia wrote.

"My recusal is required if ... my impartiality might reasonably be questioned," he said. "Why would that result follow from my being in a sizable group of persons, in a hunting camp with the vice president, where I never hunted with him in the same blind or had other opportunity for private conversation?"

Given the circumstances of the trip, Justice Scalia wrote, the only possible reason for recusal would be his friendship with Mr. Cheney. "A rule that required members of this court to remove themselves from cases in which the official actions of friends were at issue would be utterly disabling," he wrote.

Many Supreme Court justices get their jobs "precisely because they were friends of the incumbent president or other senior officials," he wrote.

Supreme Court justices, unlike judges on other courts, decide for themselves if they have conflicts, and their decisions are final.

The environmental group is suing to get information about private meetings of Mr. Cheney's energy task force. The court agreed in December to hear the case, and three weeks later Messrs. Scalia and Cheney flew together on a government jet to the hunting camp of a multimillionaire oil-services tycoon.

Pressure on Justice Scalia to stay out of the case had mounted, with calls from dozens of newspapers for the conservative Reagan administration appointee to recuse himself to protect the court's image of impartiality.

The Sierra Club asked for Justice Scalia's recusal in February, pointing to the "American public's great concern about the continuing damage this affair is doing to the prestige and credibility of this court."

There was no obligation for Justice Scalia to explain his decision, but he did in the 21-page memo. He said he will recuse himself when "on the basis of established principles and practices, I have said or done something which requires this course." He said the hunting trip to Louisiana was planned before the energy case reached the court.

Those "established principles and practices" don't require or even permit him to step aside in the Cheney case, Justice Scalia wrote.

The Supreme Court arguments in the case are scheduled for April 27.

In addition to the Sierra Club, Democrats in Congress and some legal ethicists have called on Justice Scalia to stay out of the case.

Justice Scalia noted in his memo that he has stepped aside in another case this term -- one testing the constitutionality of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools. The decision came after he criticized the lower-court ruling during a speech at a religious rally.

For the first time, Justice Scalia revealed details of his trip with Mr. Cheney.

Justice Scalia said he was the go-between to invite Mr. Cheney to hunt with a Scalia friend, Wallace Carline, who owns an oil-rig-services firm. Justice Scalia noted that he and Cheney are friends from their days working in the Ford administration.

"I conveyed the invitation, with my own warm recommendation, in the spring of 2003 and received an acceptance," Justice Scalia wrote. When the time came for the trip, Messrs. Scalia and Cheney flew together, accompanied by one of Justice Scalia's sons and a son-in-law, Justice Scalia wrote.

The case is Cheney v. United States District Court for the District of Columbia.

Copyright © 2004 Associated Press
URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB107962231690759140,00.html

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Harpyr
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posted March 18, 2004 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"A rule that required members of this court to remove themselves from cases in which the official actions of friends were at issue would be utterly disabling," he wrote.

Many Supreme Court justices get their jobs "precisely because they were friends of the incumbent president or other senior officials," he wrote.


Am I the only one that thinks this is a problem?

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Aphrodite
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posted March 18, 2004 02:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh, Harpyr.

After a while, we begin to realize we're not the only ones thinking the thoughts we have.

In college, I was taught that the best way for judges to get "good" posts was to appear as neutral as possible on the way up the ladder. Sitting on the fence, as you will. Then once they are appointed, all their politics come out because they can't get fired. Technically. Job for life, or until death. Who knows. Not a surprise though. Scalia could probably care less what anybody thinks.

Glad I don't do that for a living. Hahaha.

Aphrodite

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FishKitten
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posted March 18, 2004 05:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have major issues with this. Is there no one who has the power to call foul on it?

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TINK
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posted March 18, 2004 07:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This sort of thing makes me nauseous. Were Mr Scalia and Mr Cheney raised by wolves? Do these gentlemen have no sense of honor or propriety? Very bad form. At some point I'm going to come to the conclusion that revolution is the only reasonable answer.

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Isis
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posted March 18, 2004 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Revolution is rarely the answer, at least the kind you're talking about. Your views* only represent half of the country. There's the other half that doesn't share the same views - which means pitting American against American, so what you're really talking about is another civil war, which is never good IMHO (yes it was great that we abolished slavery, but it's a travesty that it had to come to that [war])

*views stated in your previous post

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Harpyr
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posted March 18, 2004 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would wager that well beyond half the population in this country is in support of a government without corruption.

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Isis
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posted March 18, 2004 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I would wager that well beyond half the population in this country is in support of a government without corruption.

That's not what I said

I said:

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Your views* only represent half of the country

My asterix was to hopefully clarify what views exactly I was referring to, ie; views stated in her previous post which were:
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This sort of thing makes me nauseous. Were Mr Scalia and Mr Cheney raised by wolves? Do these gentlemen have no sense of honor or propriety? Very bad form. At some point I'm going to come to the conclusion that revolution is the only reasonable answer.

I stated that half the country would disagree w/ her views: ie; that Mr. Scalia and Mr. Cheney were raised by wolves, that they have no sense of honor or propriety, and that they display bad form.

I made that point to illustrate that if it comes to revolution, there are many people who differ w/ her views, so it will not be a unanimous 100% of the population against the govt', it is brother against brother, countryman against countryman, neighbor against neighbor, and that is never desirable.

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juniperb
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posted March 18, 2004 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is he an Aries? He`s being so loyal and with such a 'bite' to his statements. There must be some strong Aries influences in his mix.

What is he thinking? How can it look good for either one. Public opinion is going to bite them in the butt and I believe they``ll regret the descision

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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot

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Harpyr
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posted March 18, 2004 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mmhhmmm.. I got that, Isis.

I was speaking more generally. Generally speaking, my impression from TINK's post was an humorously exaggerated way of saying that this buddy buddy buisness between politicians and judges was barbaric (ie- corrupt). Hence, the revolution comment.

I'd wager that at a certain point, when corruption at the highest levels becomes so obvious that the populace can no longer ignore it, revolution will be the only reasonable solution.

Bear in mind that some of us envision a new revolution for a new millenium... A revolution of non-violent resistance.

It's a long shot, I know, but hey... I can dream can't I?


"Ideals are like stars; you will not succeed in touching them with your hands. But like the seafaring man on the desert of waters, you choose them as your guides, and following them you will reach your destiny."
Carl Schurz

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Isis
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posted March 18, 2004 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Revolution is rarely (never?) non-violent unfortunately.

I don't want to be pitted against people like yourself, with whom I tend to disagree, at the barrel of a gun.

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TINK
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posted March 18, 2004 09:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I agree that revolution is rarely the answer. But sometimes it is. Was I exaggerating a wee bit with the wolves comment in order to make a point? Yes. Do I really think it was bad form. Definitly. I've no doubt that my views do not represent the entire populace. Yes, I am talking about a civil war. Yes, I think it was a travesty that it took the Civil War to abolish slavery. But it was better than the alternative.

Keep dreaming Harpyr. I will too. Who knows? Stranger things have happened. I believe this country is still under Divine protection. And like Mr King said, someday we will live up to our birthright.

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Carlo
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posted March 18, 2004 10:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scalia is a d*ckhead lol he can bite me!

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TINK
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posted March 19, 2004 07:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now that's what I really meant to say.

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