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Harpyr
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posted April 10, 2004 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to share the notes from a talk that was given to us at Earth Activist Training. Some of you may find it of interest perhaps. I think it is related to the rant i just went off on in the hairnet thread. To save my hands I'm not going to type all three pages out at once but rather post it a section at a time.. which also gives people time to digest it better.

This talk was given by Dave Hensen, btw.


Symptoms of Problems in the area of Agriculture in the US

* a decline in teh number of farms (down to only 350,000 to feed 240 million)

* a catastrophic decline in the number of farmers (in 2000, less than 1% of the US population farms in the US, compared to over 40% at 1900)

* a steady increase for 60 years in the size of the average American farm

* a steady increase over the past 30 years in the age of the average American farmer

* a dramatic drop in food and fiber crop diversity

* "farm gate" prices (the price a farmer gets fro her produce or animal) for 80% of crops and animals are the same - not adjusted for inflation - as they were 20 years ago

* a steady and compounding increase in the enviromental destruction caused by farming (soil, water, air, climate, biodiversity, etc)

* a rapidly increasing, extreme extinction crisis - the 6th great one on earth
-of native species
-of agriculture as opposed to the sole focus on agribusiness


------coming next: symptoms of problems in the area of food, nutrition and justice in the US

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Harpyr
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posted April 10, 2004 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh and please feel free to talk amongst yerselves between installments.. I'm kinda busy and going on a trip next week so i may be awhile.. tho i will definetly post atleast one more before i take off for a week.

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posted April 10, 2004 04:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I could afford one - or let me put it this way - if I could afford one AND be married, I'd have a farm. So if the government could please step up those promises to clone some good men... please hop to it!!

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posted April 10, 2004 04:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm....

I could live on a farm. As long as I didn't have to work too hard.

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Harpyr
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posted April 10, 2004 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you'd do great on a permaculture farm! They take serious labor to put into place but once it really gets poppin it's alot less labor than a regular farm because it's carefully designed so that most of the processes support and interact with eachother. All it takes is abit of maintainence. And if it's really well designed you could just let it do it's thing without any help at all. You wouldn't even have to till!

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Harpyr
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posted April 10, 2004 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think part of the reason that the gov't has tried to get people away from being farmers is because they make better consumers when they stop living the simple country life. Farmers are less likely to spend their time at the mall, afterall.

and I'm n o t just talking about republicans here. Look at Gore for example. THIS guy had the bright idea that ALL of the world's food production should be done in the equatorial region of the world and farming everywhere else should stop! That has got to be the stupidest, least ecologically sound thing I've ever heard. And that guy claims to be this big enviromentalist and all. What a joke.

There are powers that be who would like to see the majority of Americans doing generic service type jobs that are easy to train people for. So we are a bunch of interchangeable atomatons who like to shop shop shop. Farming is too specialized and it tends to, for some reason, imbue people with a love for simplicity- which is the antithesis of consumerism.

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posted April 10, 2004 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Symptoms of Problems in the area of Food, Nutriition and Justice in the US

* the highest rate of hunger and homelessness in 30 years in the US
-14 million in the US do not have enough to eat

* the urban poor often have little or no access to fresh food
-many major cities have no food stores in poor communities
-many cities have little or no public transportation links from communities without food stores to communities with food stores

* the poor cannot afford to buy food

* yet, food in the US is the "cheapest" in the world - costing the average US citizen just 7% of their annual income (compared to 15% ormore for most other industrialized countries, and up to 60% in many under-developed countries)

* the US taxpayer pays billions of dollars each year for corn, wheat and other "farmers" to overproduce, then dump that surplus on the markets of developing countries at prices lower than local farmers in those countries need to charge to break even
-leads to genetic pollution of local seed stocks with, for example, GE corn (like the case in Zambia and Zimbabwe)
-leads to the collapes of local, subsistence farming worldwide

* in the US, we serve our children low nutrition school lunches, often with publicly subsidized, very low quality surplus food (cheese, pork, wheat, corn, etc)
-30% of US children get 50% of their daily nutrition through their publicly funded school lunch programs
-Taco Bell and other fast food corporations provide some 15% of US school lunches

* the miles food travels from producer to plate ("food miles") increases annually. On average, a bite of food anywhere in the US has traveled 1500 miles

* overall food insecurity - a lack of local or regional food production or self-reliance

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posted April 10, 2004 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There are powers that be who would like to see the majority of Americans doing generic service type jobs that are easy to train people for. So we are a bunch of interchangeable atomatons who like to shop shop shop

What powers? Who?

And I have yet to state my opinion about the topic, so please, do not infer any particular opinion from my question. With such a strong statement I'm simply interested in your source of info for such a thing.

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Harpyr
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posted April 10, 2004 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well.. it's hard to say exactly.
Lets start with people who profit obscenely off of frenzied shopping.

Major corporations like Walmart, Home Depot... the corporate mouthpieces that do their bidding like AOL/Time Warner, ABC, CBS who shamelessly program Americans to consume consume consume and the politicians who get paid by the corporations to do their bidding. It's hard to point the finger at any one group responsible because the powers that be have many many arms.

Americans as a populace are even somewhat responsible for this reckless lurching towards our own eventual destruction by believing that a successful life is defined by material wealth. It's sad and hard to get to the bottom of really.

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Randall
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posted April 11, 2004 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Capitalism makes this country great, in my view. Without capitalism, there would be no computer or much else of the minor luxuries that we enjoy.

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Harpyr
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posted April 11, 2004 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey.. i don't want to completely demonize capitalism. I do think it has it's merits. It's just that I'm sort of seeing capitalism and communism as this yin and yang dichotomy. Both have positive aspects but taken to either extreme causes great destruction. I see the US as swinging too far in one direction in many respects.

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Harpyr
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posted April 11, 2004 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i mean.. these minor luxuries aren't going to do us much good when agribusiness has turned our once fertile lands into a dustbowl.

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Randall
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posted April 11, 2004 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would take extreme capitalism over any form of communism.

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posted April 11, 2004 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me too!

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Harpyr
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posted April 11, 2004 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

if communism is pure evil or whatever, then why do you think so many millions of people choose to live by it? there must be something of merit to it, don't you think? i mean, to discount that is to play right into the hands of what 'they' want you to think. better to keep people strictly polarized on stuff like this cause then it makes it sooo much easier to paint a picture of the the 'evil enemy' and therefore dehumanize them. which convienently allows people to say stuff like- lets just drop a bunch of bombs on them. they are less than human after all. it's the same thing alot of people in the world think about us. we need to see beyond this programming.

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posted April 11, 2004 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who chooses to live by it? People are born into their circumstances and only know that life--not to mention the leaders who enforce their rule over the people by threat of physical harm. Communism can be overcome if all the masses reach a point where they can take no more (like in the former Soviet Union). We were shocked when the Berlin wall fell and we found out that the other side was so many decades behind in technological advances from the rest of the free world, but if you look at it closer, it could have been no other way. Communism is a failure even in its purest form. I wouldn't call it evil. It's simply just a failed system of government. You can't eliminate greed, and since that variable inevitably remains in any political equation, communism gives that greed fertile ground for human rights violations, second only to despotic totalitarianism in its inequities (as ironic as they may seem in a system that boasts of equal mete and measure).

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