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Isis
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posted May 05, 2004 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I noticed that there was a warning to a new member in another forum to avoid this forum...I was wondering, why? I mean, sure if an individual takes issue with what is said here and chooses to avoid it, that's their right, but to warn others out of here?

I know people have said this site is going to hell in a handbasket, but I've got to echo Jwhops words here. I gotta tell you, a site like this is usually unarguably top heavy with those who consider themselves to be "liberals", moreso, sites like this (whose main subjects include all things metaphysical) who do tend to be top heavy with self-proclaimed liberals, those very people tend to lambaste, ridicule and get downright mean to anyone who disagrees with them. While I have found there to be a minor element of that here, being someone who is routinely not on the left, I have to say that I find it refreshing that here everyone seems allowed to have an opinion, that it's generally handled and countered maturely, and that people don't get booted for disagreeing w/ mods, the board owner, etc. That really is rare. To warn people out of here just helps to take away from that wonderfully rare thing.

The reality is that if you're going to post your opinions on a public forum, you have to be prepared for disagreement - I know I am prepared, and expect no less, as I would give no less. But to warn people AWAY? Perhaps a warning to not be insulting, expect differing opinions, or the occasional ass-headed comment, sure, but to warn them away entirely? I just don't think that's fair, either to the individuals who were "warned", nor those of us in here who, while we may not disagree, tend to get along fairly well for a group of people with such differing opinions. I dunno, just my 2.34654654 cents...

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Isis
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posted May 05, 2004 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Extra thought: Maybe if the dischord common in political discussions so goes against the concept of the forum (Global Unity), they could create a strictly political forum? I dunno, just a thought.

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Motherkonfessor
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posted May 05, 2004 09:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to say in the kindest, most respectful manner possible that I have stopped posting in this forum- and its a forum I love well- because of the nitpickiness as exampled by the previous post.

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Isis
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posted May 05, 2004 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nitpickiness? I don't understand, please explain...

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ozonefiller
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posted May 05, 2004 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OH THANK GOD I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT SEES IT!

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Isis
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posted May 05, 2004 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks OZ , I was genuinely trying to understand where she's coming from, and while I appreciate you feeling relieved that others share your views, perhaps you could post something constructive, ie; what qualifies as nitpicky to you, what comments you consider to be nitpicky, and/or why you feel that way? I mean, after all, isn't communication one way to Global Unity?

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Motherkonfessor
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posted May 05, 2004 11:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That post is a brilliant example of what I am refering to.

Not to BELABOR or BEAT A DEAD HORSE, but the constant debate on sematics of debate, the dissection of individual words, or posts, and the constant referral of the "liberal overload" in Global Unity does nothing but kill any discourse that gets started on a thread.

I realize that I am doing the same in this thread, but I was asked to respond.

I am happy to conceed....Isis, it is obvious that few here have the capacity to understand debate or politics as well as you, so I have refrained from posting.

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those very people tend to lambaste, ridicule and get downright mean to anyone who disagrees with them
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This quote struck me as amusing. Just because rough language isn't used in a post doesn't mean the author isn't talking down to or belittling the opposing side.

Have a good day.

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ozonefiller
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posted May 05, 2004 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isis, why do you ask me questions that you already know the answers to and if you really CAN'T see it or you really don't know it, then I guess that I can't help you either.

I do go by (what has become a good friend to me)the philosophy of what she has told to me of, about the "elephant and the blind man",but she will never come back here ever again from what she has told me,for enough of people has made her an example for other pears to witness of what would be in store for them(unless they are willing to put up with a "back and forth shouting match" with those who harshly contest to they're claims) who don't coincide to those certain apt parties, I don't think that I need to tell you that a few members here have managed to take the name of this forum and condensed it as a new name for New World Order!

There is enough of those here that see all points on veiw and yet there's only a handful of those that see things as "one way is the only way" that has made a true difference here lately!

Gee, I thought that you would be happy Isis that less people are coming around that don't share the same views as you do.

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Isis
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posted May 06, 2004 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oz, questions are always good, even if you think you might already know the answer, cause the truth is, you just might not. Instead of trying to read into things and demonize people, well, for me anyway, you can take what I say at face value. Subtleties are difficult to express well on a messageboard, I try to avoid them.

If you truly believe I "would be happy that less people are coming around that don't share the same views as you do", then every last word I've ever said here is totally lost on you. Here's a little blurb from the MTBI test, maybe THAT will help you to understand where I am coming from (I can't speak for the others that you may have disagreements with):"ENTPs are usually verbally as well as cerebrally quick, and generally love to argue--both for its own sake, and to show off their often-impressive skills. They tend to have a perverse sense of humor as well, and enjoy playing devil's advocate. They sometimes confuse, even inadvertently hurt, those who don't understand or accept the concept of argument as a sport."

So now, can I expect you to come back at me with YET ANOTHER snide dig, or are you gonna just take that at face value?

MK, if people are going to go to a public place and start stating their opinions, whether it's school, the mall, or a messageboard it is only logical that they expect commentary, either for or against their cause, or some variation thereof. Otherwise, why don't they just call this forum, "the soap box", and everyone just posts one time, per thread, and nobody responds? It's unfortunate that having people disagree with you has driven you away, if I'm understanding you correctly. But I can also empathize with just saying, "**** it"...I'm sure that's passed through most of our minds at one time or another in forums such as these.

On a messageboard, semantics, word usage, just like smilies, etc, are VERY important. You can't see my face, I can't see yours, if one uses a poor choice of words, or the word they used doesn't mean what they MEANT, they end up misunderstood, frustrated and annoyed.

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jwhop
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posted May 06, 2004 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How strange that those who advise lightening up now were never around to caution those who were having a field day calling the President everything but a human.

I noticed the piling on and everyone seemed to be having a great time until some of their icons started taking some hits in their hypocrisy and suddenly, it's not nearly so much fun anymore and people are being told to avoid this forum. Good advice if they intend to make wild inflammatory accusations they can't back up with facts and proof.

This isn't mine but it's worth repeating. Conservatives get angry when people tell lies about them. Liberals get angry when the truth is told about them.

It seems the biggest weapons in the liberal arsenal are misstatement of fact, emotional appeals, misconception and outright lies coupled with a strong dose of self righteousness. I've been to moveon.org and some of the other sites where that's a way of life. That doesn't play well in the real world.

Some of the things we can talk about and discuss reasonably. The President was wrong to go to war with Iraq. The President's tax cuts are wrong for our economy and only benefit the rich. The President's "No child left behind" education policy is wrong. The President's plan for health care in America and the prescription medication plan is wrong and will only benefit the drug companies. Etc., etc., etc., but not in any way limited to those subjects.

Some of the things we will not discuss reasonably. The President is a lying, thieving conspirator who allowed 9/11 to happen and knew in advance it would happen and did nothing. The President only went to war in Iraq to benefit Haliburton and the oil companies who are going to steal Iraqi oil. The President attacked Afghanistan because the oil companies want a pipeline across Afghanistan. The President is a liar. Blah, blah, blah, blah. If you're going to make wild inflammatory accusations like those buckle up and have some real facts to back up your accusations.

I think this is a great forum that gives everyone an opportunity to express their opinion and debate the pros and cons of just about every issue but no one should expect those who disagree with them to roll over and play dead.

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Isis
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posted May 06, 2004 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amen halelujah!!!

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ozonefiller
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posted May 06, 2004 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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ozonefiller
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posted May 06, 2004 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GOOD NEWS EVERYBODY,THERE'S STILL HUMOR IN GLOBAL UNITY AND I'LL PROVE IT TO YOU ALL!

HIT IT! a one,a two,a one,two,three,FOUR!

Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy name Bush.
His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush.
He drank like a fish while he drove all about.
But that didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out.
DUI, that is. Criminal record. Cover-up.

Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale.
He can't spell his name but they never let him fail.
He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk.
And that's when he learns how to snort a line of coke.
Blow, that is. White gold. Nose candy.

The next thing you know there's a war in Vietnam.
Kin folks say, "George, stay at home with Mom."
Let the common people get maimed and scarred.
We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard.
Cushy, that is. Country clubs. Nose candy.

Twenty years later George gets a little bored.
He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord.
He said, "Now the White House is the place I wanna be."
So he called his daddy's friends and they called the GOP.
Gun owners, that is. Falwell. Jesse Helms.

Come November 7, the election ran a little late.
Kin folks said "Jeb, give the boy your state!"
"Don't let those colored folks get into the polls."
So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their holes.
Chads, that is. Duval County. Miami-Dade.

Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in.
Told all the voters "Hey, we want George to win."
"Stop counting votes!" was their solemn invocation.
And that's how George finally got his coronation.
Rigged, that is. Illegitimate. No moral authority.

Y'all come vote now. Ya hear?

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You know JW,you got to love it,you talk these things about all of the injustice of false accusations against the president made by everybody,but all that joking about has only come down to one person and one person only and can be only none other then... ME! ...and yet I'm still here,why is that? You like to through people around like you are some kind a "political incredible Hulk", but you seemed to waste all of your energies on the ones that are not a threat to you. It doesn't make you anymore better of a person to over ride the more peaceful,now does it?! You think that a person is wrong for not liking they're president,I have no clue what country YOUR thinking of,but it sure ain't the United States your talking about!

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Harpyr
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posted May 06, 2004 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All this talk of facts but only when it serves one's purpose. When facts get posted that are in direct contradiction of certain folks' particular worldview, frequently all that is heard from their end is silence.

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Just because rough language isn't used in a post doesn't mean the author isn't talking down to or belittling the opposing side.
MK really struck on some stuff that bothers me about this forum too. The above quote especially. It's why I don't post here as much as I did in the beginning. It's because I have a really hard time not dishing out exactly what's so often fed to me- a condescention that's not always overt but strikes me as very often dripping from a post. I don't see that as very constructive and since I can't always keep from doing it myself I opt to just not say anything at all- most of the time.

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ozonefiller
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posted May 06, 2004 05:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course,this is true Harpyr,but if you haven't noticed,the arguements seems to all run into the same ol'routined, dreary, pattern.

It goes like this let's say:

If somebody here is for Bush and says the reasons why, immediately those who agree or might agree or just not sure,all huttle and clutter to that persons side.

But God forbid you just might disagree with Bush,like a "Bat out of hELL" they come running up against you and ridicule you like your stupid or something! So they tell you that they want proof,so your like "OK, I'll do that!". So here you are,spending all the free time (you have)in the world,just looking for anything or everything just to back up your stance with all these alligations and as soon as you present it...*BAM!* "You got all your info from a whacko hack!" and is immediately expelled! So you might make give your point of reason???...and then all hELL breaks loose on you and that's when you end up finding yourself fighting for your life in Lindaland,being torn to pieces,being dissected like a frog,them taking chunks out of you piece by piece,squashed like an insect and then fed to the dogs!

This is just enough of hurt that anybody would want to leave this forum and never come back!Oooohh,but if you put up a real good fight against them? That's when they'll just bypass you all together a look for a weaker subject to beat down!

...and this not only going on in Lindaland, it's happening everywhere all over NET,if this was a chat room, they would prop up the fastest typers around,like maybe three or four of them for Bush,and anybody that might not agree with them they do the same thing and all of them would ask a whole bunch of questions all at the same time and your trying to answer them all(like a fool)and you just can't keep up with it,just for them to turn around and say that your an idiot and your lost and then leave you flat right there in the chat room,sucking your thumb.

No wonder this country has so many crappy leaders and Bush especially,for the prime example and inspiration of the outright CHEATER and I don't think that they even realize of what is going on and I don't think that they care whether or not if this country is at stake and in big trouble,so long as they get the upper hand somehow, I think.

What is there,is there a book somewhere in the world that was written onto how to win the election falsely,that's some kind of a big secret,that people like me don't know about that's called "How to screw the American people and the rest of the World for Dummies" and is in three different volumes or something?

Now watch this,now your gonna see them all come attack me, like a swarm of bees,after I've disturbed they're nest!

...like a bad segment of the "Wizard of Oz"!

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ozonefiller
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posted May 06, 2004 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yeah and this is the new trick too,they'll look and ferret anything that they can use against you on this forum or elsewhere and then snag you with it,but if you point out that they do the same thing they either quickly deny it or if you really give them a direct hit,they'll agree with you,but they strongly point out that your no better then them. Go figure!

Do you also notice that maybe couple of them are taking a break (for a couple of weeks)and a couple of them stay on and then they all on a sudden they switch over for the next couple of weeks,possibly recooperating for the "Big hit"? Just in case more then one of us get out of line?

...like the staff in a mental facility!

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TINK
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posted May 06, 2004 08:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Isis. If you have a question for me please feel free to come out and ask. (Yes, knowflakes, I am the evil one) Please reread my post. You will notice that my warning is followed by a . In other words - this is said with tongue in cheek, take this with a grain of salt, I'm being cheeky, etc. I have little doubt that Aquagirl understood my "warning" and no doubt at all that, despite my "warning", she will enter this domain if she should see fit.

Nevertheless, if I offened anyone who enjoys this forum, my sincere apologies. Realistically, I think we can all admit that the place does have a reputation. I'm certainly not the first to mention that. I imagine some are secretly proud of that reputation.

As for myself, I am perfectly prepared for disagreement. I enjoy it. And I too love the idea of arguement as sport. But I believe it should be played fairly, calmly and politely. I do not appreciate a children-fighting-on-a-playground atmosphere. I enjoy a calm, civilized, cigars-and-whiskey sort of debate. But everyone is different, with assorted styles and I respect that. Call me crazy.
Isis, I do not believe I have ever "lambasted, ridiculed or gotton down right mean" with you. Or with anyone here. I didn't postin this forum very often but I am human and sometimes I get a little worked up about something I believe in passionatly so maybe I have said something improper. If I did, again I offer my apologies. On the other hand( a little Libra coming out here), maybe I'm just not good at this stuff and am unable to play with the big boys.


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Xelena Ben
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hey Isis,
this situation has actaully been going on for years in this forum - but it's sort of like herpes - lies dormant for a while and then BAM a nasty flare-up and all hades breaks loose!

as has been mentioned, the folks drawn to this site tend to fall more often into the "liberal" category. i think it's exciting (and normal) that there are individuals here who DON'T agree with a lot of "liberal ideas" that get posted. i know i learn a lot from that and it helps me to hone my own viewpoints. maybe that's why these folks stay around, too. or maybe it's because they feel like the last bastion of common sense trying to teach five-year-olds to play Mozart on a harmonica. that's how it sometimes comes across and i know it affects my decisions to post replies to threads that interest me.

yup, i defnitely weigh my options before i post anything here. i take it seriously (dang earth signs) and i have to decide if i have the time to get into a days long debate - even if i just want to discuss my opinions/fears/hopes with another member. for example, if i want to have a discussion with harpyr about small US farms - and in that discussion bring up the gentleman who escaped being a hostage in iraq and the fact that he is a small dairy farmer who went to the mid east to get his family out of debt - i have to be ready for a firestorm rather than a plain old exchange of ideas.

i have to be prepared to cite what certain people consider to be "credible" sources (such as government reports and FOX News) even if i don't agree with their notion of credible. i may have five articles from the NYT, but they're pinko commie liberal homos so that won't fly ... like i said - it helps me hone my own views and broaden my reading base, but for the most part, the time it takes precludes my entering many discussions.

jw, i've enjoyed our debates, and i'm replying to you and not others in this thread started by Isis because of that. she's trying to understand why this forum is considered unpalatable to many. i can give her my experience to try and explain at least one side of a story.

these are the kind of comments that personally drive me nuts:

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How strange that those who advise lightening up now were never around to caution those who were having a field day calling the President everything but a human.

i've heard similar feelings of reverence for the office of President in places like newsmax. it truly amazes, coming from Republicans who spent the years 1992 to 2000 lambasting the then-President in words no less kind or harmful. what;s up with the double standards here? people get worked up on both sides - they take turns swinging the bat. you make it sound like all liberals are raving lunatics who spend their time defaming Bush because they have nothing better to do, while Republicans are just quietly trying to protect America from depraved eco-terrorist-heathen-wackos. if folks don't agree with your worldview they're communists and hypocrites and poor little deluded sheep. this i find galling, but i try and get past that with you because i do think you have a lot to teach me. but i can see why a lot of people would want to stay away from that high and mighty leo attitude of yours! your perspective is only one angle, just as mine is. i don't see the difference in personal attacks and groups attacks - it's all demeaning and cuts short rational debate that could be beneficial to both "sides."

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This isn't mine but it's worth repeating. Conservatives get angry when people tell lies about them. Liberals get angry when the truth is told about them.

like a broken record. this is an opinion stated as fact, and i think it's just as true both this way AND the other way around IF we're talking about certain percentages of each affiliation. statements like these only further alienate those of us (like me) who don't want to spend hours arguing about personal beliefs that will only be again shot down with statements like that. and it's too bad because there are a lot of things i think we DO agree on, many things we can all learn from each other.

okay, i'm tired now, but i hope, Isis, that that helps clear up at least one person's take on this issue. see you in the other forums!

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Harpyr
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posted May 06, 2004 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said Xelena

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jwhop
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posted May 06, 2004 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ozone, your nonsense has been disproven long ago but just to make sure you knew, I posted the text of the Supreme Court decision where the Court REMANDED the issue back to the State of Florida to formulate a consistent and uniform method of counting the undervote across all precincts in Florida. Facts don't seem to penetrate so the only thing one can think is that you would rather ignore facts and repeat the lies endlessly.

BTW, Fact, George W Bush is more highly educated than Gore, the publisher of the NY Times, John Kerry and the cadre of nits who regularly launch personal attacks against him. Poor Michael Moore, self proclaimed foreign and domestic policy expert, couldn't even hack the first year of college and dropped out. Gore dropped out of Vanderbilt University Law School. Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, publisher of the NY Times didn't score high enough on the entrance exam to get admitted to Harvard. George W. Bush did and has an MBA from the Harvard Business School in addition to an undergraduate degree from Yale.

Fact, for a President you and you friends call a dunce, he's managed to get his policies enacted into law in spite of the constant drumbeat of criticism from the left and managed to add to the Republican majority in both the House and Senate.

Fact, George W Bush won the 2000 election in spite of the American press who tried to hand Gore the election, the Florida Supreme Court who tried to hand Gore the election and every network calling the election for Gore BEFORE the polls closed in the West hoping to suppress the Republican vote. The heads of those networks spent some time in front of a Congressional Committee attempting to explain that all away.

I know you think you're scoring points by posting lies, gossip and innuendo Ozone. Alas, you're only preaching to the choir of like minded people who are also eager to ignore the facts.

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ozonefiller
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posted May 06, 2004 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Innuendo,it must be the word of the day!

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jwhop
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posted May 06, 2004 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoa Harpyr, your complaint that when you post facts all that's heard is silence is not well taken. You were answered as I recall but then you went silent.

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*bump*jwhop, pidaua,
I would like to know what your feelings on the specific actions taken by Bush which I have posted, if you don't mind. None of them seem very "compassionate" if you ask me.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000258-2.html

As I recall, the answers were dedicated to you. What is true is that there are not enough hours in the day to respond to every post one may disagree with and if, for example, someone addresses me directly, I try to respond to that one first. I did say try because even that is sometimes not possible to do on a timely basis.

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posted May 06, 2004 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good word Ozone, does this definition ring any bells for you?

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innuendo
1 a : an oblique allusion : HINT, INSINUATION; especially : a veiled or equivocal reflection on character or reputation

Handle with care Ozone, this is a fact.

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Isis
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posted May 06, 2004 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tink, I didn't mean (nor did I mean to say, although upon reading it I can see how one arrived at that conclusion), that you or anyone in particular lambastes, etc, it was more "at other sites people that are self-proclaimed liberals tend to do that", the only reason I said that is to contrast that it's not so bad here, with a few exceptions, most are fairly reasonalbe, so my bad if anyone thought that comment referred to them, it was meant to point out that unlike other places where that takes place, here it doesn't nearly as much and how great that is.

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Isis
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posted May 06, 2004 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Xelena,

I can only speak for myself, but I don't consider Fox etc to be the only valid news sources. I won't quote a blantatly conservative publication as evidence, because on the flip side, I wouldn't consider a blatantly liberal publication or organization to be convincing. I read all sources of news and just try to pull the bias out, both the left and right bias, but in quoting something to back up an opinion, I endeavor to quote a source that the other person will consider somewhat valid.

While you may quote the NYTimes and other sources, others won't quote anything at all, they present their opinions as facts, they use emotional and guilt-laden arguments, or just make strings of statements without anything to back that up. For example, "No wonder this country has so many crappy leaders and Bush especially,for the prime example and inspiration of the outright CHEATER".

But I understand where you're coming from, it is true that there was serious bashing of Clinton going on when he was in office, but again, only speaking for myself, if I were "bash" him, I would state an opinion, "I believe Clinton is dishonest", the reasons why, "he lies to a grand jury, etc" or whatever. Some just make blanket statements (and btw I don't see any Bush worship here at all, I see people that don't demonize him, but I've not seen anywhere where someone like Jwhop says, "Bush is the greatest thing since white bread"), just as liberals didn't believe Clinton was as bad as conservs did, I realize the same goes the other way.

In regards to statements like, "Conservatives get angry when people tell lies about them. Liberals get angry when the truth is told about them." I don't make statement like that, even if I may think that, because I don't feel it's constructive to the convo/argument, and I would ask that those that may disagree with me, speak to me based on what I say, not what another conservative might say on the same subject.

Thanks for you input Xelena, it's always nice to know where people are coming from.

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