posted July 07, 2004 12:39 AM              

"GLOBAL UNITY
The Aquarian Age promises eventual Peace on Earth, but whether we make the transition smoothly or have to endure the temporal threat of global imperialism will depend upon how each of us treats the other; in this Forum, we celebrate our cultural, national, and spiritual diversity as we each unite in Love and Light (Moderated by theFajita3)"

posted July 07, 2004 01:03 AM            

quote:

---

Isnt that what this site is supposed to be about? Instead it's a bunch of arguments, heated debates, name callling and inflated egos. Arent there other sites dedicated to political arguing. It's too bad that alot of other Knowflakes don't even enter this forum because of all of the negativity festering in here.

---

I respect what you`re saying 26taurus, but if this was a valid statement, would there be so much interest here; including yours-Elf?

Is the diversity of opinion a composite of the Earthly experience?

juniperb

posted July 07, 2004 01:18 AM              

If we all agreed about everything, the world would sure be a boring place. Not only that, but new ideas would never be born.

I don't see GU as only furthering animosity. Some animosity turns up from time to time through the gloated egos of those who believe THEY are the only ones who are right, and the OTHER SIDE cannot possibly offer any words of wisdom. While it happens on both the right and the left, it seems to me the lefties are the most guilty of this.

It saddens me to see so many closed minded lefties there are around here. Completely unwilling to even read the posts from the other side. The open-minded lefties have seemed to close their minds to anything but what the Left has to tell them. IMO, this is ignorance at it's worst. Self-imposed ignorance of seeming intelligent people.

Often people seem they can't face up to truths that are put in front of them in black and white because their minds are closed to continued learning. They believe what they believe and refuse to see anything else. This, IMO, is where the animosity comes up. Some people are faced with hard questions from opposing sides and can't seem to take the heat.

posted July 07, 2004 01:20 AM              

But I kinda cringe at the name calling....

I've noticed that people start name calling when they see someone's opinion differ from their own.

I've tried NOT to do that...and I truly hope I haven't...

If I have...call it to my attention (point out WHAT I said....and WHERE I said it)...and I'll apologize. *sigh*

....and remember...copying and pasting is NOT name calling...trying to defend yourself is ALSO not name calling...

posted July 07, 2004 01:49 AM            

So, can`t we all shake hands and agree we`re all experiencing the same thing with a different approach?

Hell, we all want the same thing; peace, a comfortable living for our families and a space to call our own. Isn`t that the ultimate ideal of the average person?

Get together knowflakes and forget the left/right and unite in the fact we are diverse and quit blaming the other for the wrongs and agree on the rights/needs we require.

Isn`t a focused/united approach an objective worth working for?

Earth School isn`t easy; pass or fail isn`t an option I want to play with. I prefer to meet the challenges head on and know I did all I could and be the best I could offer in times of turmoil.

*disclaimer* my Opinion only!

juniperb

posted July 07, 2004 03:17 AM              

Wainbow

posted July 07, 2004 12:42 PM              

I always look forward to reading your posts. You are so wise and loving.

posted July 07, 2004 01:29 PM              

Yes diversity of opinion is an earthly experience. But there are better ways to go about it than childish arguments. And yes, I have taken part in some of them. I never said I was perfect. I'm just voicing an opinion and question. And I figured I get these kind of answers here. If you think I'm implying we all agree on everything, you are missing the point.

posted July 07, 2004 02:04 PM            

It's true that most want the same things in life - they just disagree on how to go about achieving those things.

Common ground would go a long way in forging unity. Maybe Juni you could get the ball rolling, the rest of us just seem to get caught in a loop of mutual annoyance.

posted July 07, 2004 02:14 PM              

Perhaps you could get the ball rolling. Sounds like it would be easy for YOU!

By the way that was my point in starting this thread. To try to having an area to constructivly support each others views and thoughts on reaching Global Unity. Not politacal bickering.

posted July 07, 2004 02:17 PM            

You know what, I do construct much better arguments than you do, which is why you get so flustered. I bother to construct these arguments because I want to understand others and be understood.

Perhaps if you're not understood, it is not that everyone else is stupid or unenlightened, but rather that you do not make your case very well.

posted July 07, 2004 02:36 PM            

At this point, you're just amusing.

Another good try, still no cigar.

posted July 07, 2004 03:56 PM            

Global Unity just flew right over your head, with all your insensitive remarks and looking for another way to aruge and berate the other knowflakes that dare to enter this forum. If this is how you show your intelligence, point well taken. Its one thing to argue or debate ones point of view, but another to berate and belittle others to get your point across. I find you very insulting and nasty when it comes to others thoughts and feelings, thats just my point on the subject at hand.

Love and Light!!!
Love and Light!!!

Global Unity!!!
Global Unity!!!

Solane Star

posted July 07, 2004 04:11 PM            

Perhaps before drawing the sword in defense you should take a good look at both parties involved instead of just taking sides.

As for efforts towards GU, it was your buddy 26T who felt it necessary to make a unwarranted remark to this: "Common ground would go a long way in forging unity. Maybe Juni you could get the ball rolling, the rest of us just seem to get caught in a loop of mutual annoyance."

And with that, I will cease with my "poo poo" as you call it.

posted July 07, 2004 04:48 PM              

Solane Star is a knowflake, and as such, has just as much right to post her opinions here as you or I do.

posted July 07, 2004 05:47 PM              

Reading with blinders on. That's got to be a slow way to grow.

posted July 07, 2004 05:53 PM            

You chastise Isis for informing SS not to draw swords, or better to draw her sword once she has actually read and comprehending the posts (in order to ascertain that those posts were indeed not directed at her nor did they warrent her opinion), THEN you throw out a personal insult comparing Isis to Bush? ( I would take that as a compliment myself )

I find that to be a very ill-bred statement bordering on a personal attack as we all know how much you despise Bush with the Venom of an Asp.

26Taurus started the thread with a purpose in asking about everyone all getting along. In other words "Why can't everyone sing happy songs and believe in the same ideology?".

This is real life and we need differing opinions. Those opinions, when placed on a board in order to educate others should have some hint of facts or evidence in order to back them up. If not, your argument becomes as solid as a house built on sand.

Political Bickering? Well, again one has the right to believe in what they choose and have the right to also argue that belief. For those that do not want to argue the points, they do not have to participate in the discussion. There are many discussions I pass over as I either do not have the time to waste, the knowledge on the subject to debate, or the heart to care. Others follow suit and it is there right.

My granny (Wise and wonderful Leo as she was) used to say "If you cannot stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen". If you have come here to debate then, to use another of her wonderful quotes, "$hit or get off the pot"

------------------
"Lahn dádzaayú nahikai leh ni' nyelíí k'ehge," Goyathlay (Geronimo)

"Once we moved like the Wind"

posted July 07, 2004 05:59 PM              

How'd the move go?

Sorry, not the time and place for that conversation.

As you were.....

posted July 07, 2004 06:49 PM            

My mom's move went well. I have decided to put off moving to Idaho for a couple of years, until Mr. Taurus gets out of the Army. I want to be near him and can easily get a job in AZ. He has been asking me (but not being demanding) to consider coming to AZ and then we will move up to Idaho. If I move to Sierra Vista, then my dad will only be about 2 1/2 hours from me and it makes him very happy to have me close. (Cappy Sun / Cancer moon). I have always been much closer to my dad than my mom and going into busines with her isn't a good idea at this time. (Yeah...I am sure you can sense the tension). At any rate, it is better for her to be near my bro and his family and for me to concentrate on my relationship and life with Mr T.

So things are peachy!!! My only hesitation...I do not want to move in with Mr. T directly. I think I want to wait a bit, even if we are engaged. You know us Saggie people have a bit of a problem with feeling as though someone else may have control - but I am not adverse to he and I buying a house together - because then it is OURS LOL...he thinks I am being silly - I think I am being sensible... By the way, my move would be at the end of August, isn't that when you are moving in with your honey?

Talk to you soon.

posted July 07, 2004 07:40 PM              

To discuss arguments is healthy, but in my opinion we should make it in a high level...for this reason I learned to avoid some topics... and I am sure that I will regret having entered in this one...

posted July 07, 2004 08:33 PM            

Each knowflake here is so unique and has so much to offer the world

The passion, love and devotion to the very same cause yet approached so differently.

Can you imagine a world where Isis`s sense of order and logic complimented 26T`s compassion, Rainbows devotion to the cause,and Libra Sparkles joy of service?

All petty issues laid aside, open minds and hearts to see the differences and embrace them because they K-now it is for a higher purpose and that purpose is Humanity.

That world could never be torn asunder because the unity and unique beings that created it worked together; counting their blessings instead of ragging on whats wrong with s/he.

United we stand divided we fall. I sincerely believe that motto.

I have always and will continue to pray for peace. I include our own G.U. and each of you in that prayer.

juniperb

posted July 08, 2004 02:56 AM              

As much as some of you fail to understand. I actually do want what’s best for this world and EVERYONE in it. Call it being a peace loving hippie or living in La La land or whatever you will.

Pidaua, I CAN stand the heat that is why I’m still here. You said ”For those that do not want to argue the points, they do not have to participate in the discussion.”
But is this really why we are here? To argue and debate opinions? Is this the point here in this forum? This is Global UNITY. Not Global DEBATING. Isn’t there another forum somewhere else on the web in which you all can flex your debating muscles in?
______________________________
“26Taurus started the thread with a purpose in asking about everyone all getting along. In other words "Why can't everyone sing happy songs and believe in the same ideology?".”
______________________________
No 26taurus did not.

Yes. Let’s all sit ‘round a campfire singing Kum Ba Ya , smoking peace pipes, and strumming our guitars pretending everything is fine. PLEASE! If you think this is how I feel you are sadly mistaken. It’s too bad if you can’t see past this illusion you have of me.

OF COURSE we are going to disagree on certain subjects. But this gives us a right to treat people as if they are lower than us because they don’t hold the same beliefs as ours? There are more constructive ways to achieve Global Unity than this.

Global Unity is about supporting your fellow human being and accepting them for their differences. Not getting into a game of words and stroking of egos. Or bashing and name calling of one another. There is nothing healthy or helpful in this.

And come on! Awww poor Isis. All the hippies are ganging up on her. If the sarcasm you read in my posts to Isis are seen as “spewing nastiness”. Then you haven’t seen a really p!ssed off Taurus! I don’t think I was being overly nasty at all. I’ve been ganged up on in here too. We all have to some degree. Okay maybe not ALL.

In another thread I was in I was just labeled as having “falseness”. Isis can see through my “falseness”. Ha Ha! How very perceptive of her.
Because I chose to send the person Love and take myself out of the argument. If after stepping back from the situation and realizing how silly it was, then choosing to send someone love, is false and so hard to comprehend, that is truly sad. Why is this so hard to grasp?

I truly DO love everyone on this forum. Whether I agree with their opinions or not. We are all one. And at our core is only love. No one here is better than anyone else. And we have no right to judge another. We can disagree, we can see what we perceive to be negativity in another, but we are only seeing reflections of ourselves. We have things to learn from these people. Thank them, for unknowingly asking us to look within ourselves and learn something from the situation. When you feel unconditional universal love for ALL, you know this is Truth. If this is being false, then I’m the most false person around. If sending Love to those that send you bad vibes is wrong, than I‘m very wrong.

LOVE always negates the DARKNESS. When some one sends you harm, send them only LOVE. LOVE is THE answer! To everything.

Jacqueline said:
“To discuss arguments is healthy, but in my opinion we should make it in a high level.”
RIGHT ON!
God Bless you! This is what Global Unity is all about!
As much as some of you don’t want to believe it, this WAS my point in bringing up this topic.
_____________________________
Juniperb,
You don’t know how happy your post made me. You see that there is a larger picture here. That arguing back and forth will not bring Global Unity. Love and respect for everyone and everything on this planet is the best path to follow.

I work on this daily. And I’m only human. I love myself no matter what. I am a child of a higher power who loves me unconditionally. The good, the bad and the ugly.

I don’t think what is going on in this part of the forum is healthy or helpful to anyone. And I’m not alone here. It’s too bad when other Knowflakes won’t even come here, because of all the negative energy. And they are afraid of getting attacked. THIS IS NOT LOVING OR SUPPORTIVE of the people who like to participate in the forum.
And I highly doubt Linda would approve of this kind of arguing and negative atmosphere.

Anywaaaaaay….
I love you ALL. So there! Like it or not! Nanny nanny boo boo.
_________________________________
And Solane Star

Love and Light!!!
Love and Light!!!

Global Unity!!!
Global Unity!!!