posted September 25, 2004 11:47 AM            

Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
Saturday September 25, 2004

The Guardian

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

posted September 25, 2004 01:54 PM            

Thanks for the story, Harpyr!!

posted September 25, 2004 10:58 PM              

Questioned, maybe. Outright judged, definitely not. And unless I am wrong, that seems to be the intent of this thread. Harpyr, if I am misunderstanding your intent, I would like to know, as I am not a fan of laboring under erroneous notions....

posted September 26, 2004 12:32 AM              

maybe this would be a more "rational" issue for isis if it were kerry's family history

personally they both disgust me....

in fact kerry and bush are ninth cousins, twice removed....
it would seem that the bush family AND the kerry family are offshoots of the HINCKLEY family!! no wonder theyre both so unstable!!

"The Richards' daughter Mary married Thomas Hinckley, governor of the Plymouth Colony, and through their son, Samuel, they are the ancestors of President Bush. Their daughter Anna married Captain Ephraim Hunt, and through their son Thomas they are the ancestors of Kerry.

Through the same lineage, both men are linked to Gen. Douglas MacArthur and President Franklin D. Roosevelt; even infamous traitor Benedict Arnold and attempted presidential assassin John Hinckley Jr., have thick enough blue-blood roots to call themselves relations"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/04/politics/main604163.shtml

posted September 26, 2004 03:11 AM            

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maybe this would be a more "rational" issue for isis if it were kerry's family history

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posted September 27, 2004 11:38 PM            

Let's see George W. Bush was born July 6, 1946 Harpyr. Please explain how W had anything to do with his grandfather allegedly trading with the enemy...an enemy that by the time W was born was already conquered.

Except that at the time Prescott Bush was involved with Thyssen, there was no prohibition against doing business with a German company. Further, Thyssen broke with Hitler in the late 1930's, before the US entered the war.

Just one more pile of crap for the compost pile. I sincerely hope this is not the best you can do to discredit George W. Bush and the question remains, exactly how does this discredit the President?

posted September 29, 2004 11:09 PM              

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)

"Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there."
"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . . "
- William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937

of course just the fact of bush and kerry devolving from the Hinckley line would be irrelavent , but i see an unbroken political power dynasty going from prescott bush(he wasnt just a banker,he was also a Senator from Connecticut) to g hw bush,who was leader of the gop, u.n. ambassador, head of the cia,then vp for 8 years and president for 4 years......... to george dubya bush

prescott bush was a close political ally of the dulles brothers, who were nixons mentors........and who oversaw the recruitment of nazi war criminals into the cia.....
http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/97unclass/naziwar.html
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/pentagram/9_37/features/31065-1.html

and of course nixon was then george hw bushs mentor... http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1201879/posts
it was hw bush who,as head of the gop, suggested to nixon that he resign(nixon resigned the next day) and we all know how nixon handled his middle east policy.... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5069430/

and so is it just me??!or does any1 else see a parallel to the u.s. oil and weaponry interests backing the fascist dictator saddam hussein!??

and it seems to me saddams purge of communists was very similiar to hitlers "night of the long knives"

Many suspected communists were killed outright, these sources said. Darwish told UPI that the mass killings, presided over by Saddam, took place at Qasr al-Nehayat, literally, the Palace of the End.
"Noting that the Baath Party was hunting down Iraq's communist, the CIA provided the submachine gun-toting Iraqi National Guardsmen with lists of suspected communists who were then jailed, interrogated, and summarily gunned down, according to former U.S. intelligence officials with intimate knowledge of the executions"
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030410-070214-6557r
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/morris.htm
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r102:H25FE2-421:

after taking iraq off the list of states that support terrorism, the u.s. began providing economic and military aid to iraq in its war against iran after the u.s. sponsored dictator there was forced to flee the country on January 16, 1979 as millions gathered to lynch him.......(this is often described as "carter allowing the shah to be deposed" lol) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution

then in his 1988 campaign, hw bush "discharged" 7 campaign workers with nazi and fascist connections .......

"Mr. Guarino, a Republican National Committee staffer, was removed from the Bush campaign after
reports surfaced of his involvement in the P-2 Lodge of Italy."

"The fourth ethnic leader expelled from the Bush campaign was Laszlo
Pasztor, who founded the Heritage Groups Council in 1969 with the
encouragement of Richard Nixon."

Another Republican ethnic activist ousted from the Bush campaign is Radi
Slavoff, head of the Bulgarian section and also executive director of the
Heritage Council. Mr. Slavoff is also the Washington representative of the
Bulgarian National Front, an American-based group formed in a postwar
merger of several wartime pro-Nazi and Fascist orgnaizations

http://www.skepticfiles.org/socialis/bushnazi.htm

but the thing that disturbs me the MOST is that the u.s. helped saddam develop this wmd weaponry along with our key ally in the cold war, and launching point of u.s. covert operations in eastern europe.....WEST GERMANY...whose intelligence agency, BND, was founded by the cia......

"A confidential report issued on 21 August 1990 by Helmut Hossman (name as transliterated), the Economy Minister of then West Germany, confirmed that the German companies had the lion's share in these transactions. The report said that since 1983, West German companies have exported to Iraq huge quantities of raw materials, equipment, and small industrial factories to produce poison gases."
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/cw/az120103.html

it just makes me sick to think that maybe hw bush actually KNEW that he was conspiring to make the germans complicit in such a disgusting proliferation.......
that would be pretty sad considering germanys history of chemical weapons use....

so jwhop, youre saying this is all ancient history with no bearing on current events??!!
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/international/index.ss f?/base/international-17/109552734527340.xml&storylist=international

posted September 30, 2004 01:22 AM              

although some of these "unofficial biographies" of the bush family are lurid, even i dont quote them as fact
it does seem to be a fact that p bush's bank was ruled against in 1942, much more is known about some of his close business colleagues..
and no one is suggesting these things were bush dubyas "fault"...that he was "responsible for it" lol
but dont you consider "finding the facts" about a current president, whose father secretly dictated middle east policy with the saudi's who financed saddam hussein for years running up to our current "conflict" with him in the middle east, to be more relavent than some mere challenger in some election? ???(or the zany antics of his republican wife?)

of course thats why i was giving prescott bush the benefit of the doubt and focusing on hw bush who WAS alive and well and stepped into the top executive positions of the u.s. government just years after Prescott Bush left the senate in 1961.....
hw bush still recieves intelligence breifings, and was at the whitehouse bunker b4 bush dubya on 911......
thats not current enuff??

so again i ask, any1 who's listening........any1 see a parallel between u.s. banking &oil interests in germany supporting hitler and u.s. oil interests in iraq supporting saddam hussein......and does any1 not see the irony of VOTING these same poeple into power as if theyre trying to clean up "the mess"???

or are you saying jwhop , that the policies of hw bush from the 70' to the 90's were informed,well guided and served "the best interests" of the u.s.????

posted September 30, 2004 12:51 PM            

Focus Petron, George W. Bush IS President, does not consult his father on foreign or domestic policy, has said words to the effect he is taking a different course than his father and said it very publicly, the thrust of which was a rebuke of his father's policies. His policy is NOT appeasement of tyrants, NOT coalition building between nations to coddle tyrants, nor permitting other nations or the UN to decide US security interests.

Your attempt to link George W. Bush to the Nazi regime of Hitler is not only laughable but exposes the weakness of the radical left, who by this time are grasping at any straw available to discredit and defeat George W. Bush. No sale!

posted September 30, 2004 01:04 PM              

2 different versions? hmm

posted September 30, 2004 02:02 PM              

"41" was in telephone touch with his son as the war opened, but was, as always, circumspect about the specifics. "I talk to him a lot"and so does his mother. It’s very personal,"

Do you talk to your son about how to handle the pressures of war?
"No, but I talk to him all the time. Historians will be very interested in what we talk about, but they’ve got to wait."

Is the president taking care of something that should have been taken care of on your watch?
Of course, that’s the question that irritates me the most, because the mission was not to kill Saddam Hussein; the mission wasn’t to occupy Baghdad back then.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3130066/

posted September 30, 2004 03:03 PM              

i figured it was the analogy of the eagle(the u.s.) rearing a baby democracy in iraq.....

but after a while there was a slight change added.....
in the newer version, as the iraqi man rises up from the nest he's going "quack,quack"
even a cuckoo bird is better at pulling off a con than that...... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/03/0311_030312_cuckoo.html