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LighTgrEEn
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posted October 02, 2004 10:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay everyone, I really need help.

I don't know who to vote for. I am undecided as of now. This is going to be my first voting experience, too. I watched the debate on thursday and I am looking forward to the 2 other debates. I am leaning toward Bush, as of now, but I am not 100 percent certain. Kerry just seems to be attacking Bush all the time and he doesn't stand firm. What do you all think?

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quiksilver
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posted October 03, 2004 01:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uh, oh. I can see it now..... This thread is going to a be a hotbed for political activity! I will leave it to some of the experts to respond more eloquently

I myself will be voting for Bush but you are the only one who can make the choice for yourself. Listen to others, certainly. But listen most closely to the voice within. This way, even if you make what you might later consider to be the "wrong" choice, you will at least have been true to yourself and your view of the "truth" at the time. The most important thing is never to cease questioning and to never be too afraid of changing your mind. You frequently will, if you endeavor to truly learn.

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ozonefiller
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posted October 03, 2004 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bush, his cabinate, his party and his little rich followers were the first ones to do the attacking, Kerry never wanted to make this a negetive campaign, but the Bush administration and all the ad campaigns(that are just making a pretty penny out of this smear machine that they keep on running, no matter who wins)is doing all of the talking right from the beginning!

If Kerry says nothing as a rebuttal towards Bush, then he'll make the same exact mistake that Gore made and will end up slaughtered.

Just look at this all as a long rap competition between two DJs that spend a few months rapping about what they would like to do if either one of them becomes the leader of the turf that they fighting for to have for the next four years! The President right now is trying to defend his title, but he has to prove to two sets of judges that either one of them can be the winner over his opponent and vice versa for the challenger, Senator John Kerry. One set of judges is us and the other set of judges is the Electorial College.

Never just look at the personally only of the canidates, listen carefully to the subjects that they are talking about, read the reactions closely to the subjects that are given to them and most of all, read carefully(and this is where the debates are so important)how well they can handle extreme stress and be under major pressure! They should feel stressful, this is the type of job that they are fighting for and this is our future that they are talking about, in the long run!

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Isis
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posted October 03, 2004 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you should decide what issues matter most to you, what issues in your opinion matter most to the wellbeing of the country, whatever that may be, and vote for the individual that you believe will do the most towards those things. Don't listen to other people on the specifics, they all have their own opinions and agendas to further, and they just want you to vote for their guy. Don't listen to the rhetoric, only believe the things that can be backed up by numerous sources, if it can't, take it with a grain of salt.

Don't let people manipulate you into voting for anyone other than whomever it is you believe is the best person for the job. Do your own research, and make up your own mind, than stand on your conviction. That's my advice.

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Isis
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posted October 03, 2004 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, you aren't obligated to discuss who you are voting for/who you voted for with anyone. I know plenty of people who just don't discuss it, their attitude is, "it's nobody's business who I voted for", and ultimately it's true. You aren't obligated to defend your position to anyone but yourself, IMO.

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KarenSD
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posted October 03, 2004 02:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Isis! *shakes Isis' hand, offers hug*

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quiksilver
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posted October 03, 2004 10:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said, Isis!

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Isis
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posted October 04, 2004 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you

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LighTgrEEn
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posted October 05, 2004 03:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone!
I am leaning in the middle again. I kind of feel that Bush should admit the truth when he isn't. Everyone knows that we went to war with Iraq for different reasons. How many of you have seen Farenheit 9/11?

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quiksilver
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posted October 05, 2004 11:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm, not I. So I cannot really comment on it.....

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LighTgrEEn
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posted October 06, 2004 11:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you mean Quiksilver?

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LibraSparkle
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posted October 07, 2004 01:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She hasn't seen the movie, so she cannot comment on it.

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paras
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posted October 07, 2004 01:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's what ya do:

Say TO HELL with those mud-slinging Democrats and Republicans. Write-in a candidate.

FOAMY FOR PRESIDENT!!!

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Mirandee
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posted October 07, 2004 03:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that what Isis said is pretty much the way it should be. You should decide for yourself what issues are most important to you. Then read what each candidate has to say about them. Bush being an incumbent you can pretty much determine what he is going to do the next four years if elected by his record over the past 4 years. But each candidate has their own web site where you can read what they have to say. It's good that you are watching the debates.

Right now the election is pretty much a dead heat with half of the voters supporting Kerry and the other half Bush. That is not a good position for an incumbent President to be in this close to election day. It is going to be the undecided voters like yourself who determine the outcome of this election and the future of this country. That is if there are no "mistakes" like what happened in Florida in the last Presidential election. So please vote less on what others say and more on the facts you have discovered through researching each candidate and how they stand on the issues of Iraq, the economy, jobs, education, etc. Then as Isis suggested, you have to weigh their stance according to your own principals and values.

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Mirandee
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posted October 07, 2004 03:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you're voting in Florida check out this site to cast your vote:


Click here: Florida Election Ballot


Just trying to lighten up things a bit.

The link didn't come up. Could someone please help me by posting the link? I'm a newbee and don't have the hang of posting a link obviously.

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Harpyr
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posted October 07, 2004 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know alot of folks in Florida and elsewhere who are highly suspicious of the great potential for voter fraud with these electronic voting machines that leave no paper trail. If your county uses them and you want to be certain your vote is counted properly you can request an absentee ballot and they mail it to you.

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ozonefiller
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posted October 08, 2004 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah Harpyr, but isn't absentee ballots only good in certain states, I know that here in PA they don't allow that unless the person that is voting has a medical condition and I even think that New York doesn't allow it either, unless it's under those reasons also, even if New Jersey is allowing the Absentee ballots to be used.

I guess that it all depends on which state LighTgrEEn resides in.

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LighTgrEEn
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posted October 09, 2004 07:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I live in California.
By the way, my friend said it doesn't matter who we vote for in california because kerry will most likely win. And she mentioned electoral college and in california we have alot because it is a bigger state compared to Vermont where the population votes might really matter.

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LighTgrEEn
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posted October 10, 2004 07:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everyone should watch the movie Farenheit 9/11. It is totally worth it. Go rent it now becuase it also has bonus features that they didn't show at movies.

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ozonefiller
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posted October 11, 2004 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen it twice in the theaters(Fahrenheit 9/11 that is), but of the main reasons why I wanted to see it, because of the time being, everybody just made a big fuss over it and I feel that the movie had alot of hype(not that the message in the movie didn't have any importance), but I think that their was not enough to be said and that Michael Moore couldn't possibly touch on everything about the last fours years of the Bush Adiminstration, hELL with sequels, Moore would need to make a 12 volume set of the Bush party messups!

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ozonefiller
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posted October 11, 2004 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
New Backup Voting System May Pose Problems
Could Cause Election Day Mess As Infamous As Florida's Hanging Chads
By ANNE GEARAN, AP


WASHINGTON (Oct. 10) - Call it the law of unintended consequences. A new national backup system meant to ensure that millions of eligible voters are not mistakenly turned away from the polls this year, as happened in 2000, could wind up causing Election Day problems as infamous as Florida's hanging chads.

Congress required conditional, or provisional, voting as part of election fixes passed in 2002. For the first time, all states must offer a backup ballot to any voter whose name does not appear on the rolls when the voter comes to the polling place on Nov. 2. If the voter is later found eligible, the vote counts.

But Congress did not specify exactly how the provisional votes will be evaluated.

Add the ordinary problems that come with doing something new, and the result is a recipe for mix-ups at the polls and lawsuits over alleged unequal treatment of some voters, said Doug Chapin, executive director of Electionline.org, a nonpartisan clearinghouse for information on election reform.

''If I had to pick the one thing that will be source of controversy on Election Day, it will be provisional voting,'' Chapin said.



State election officials have adopted their own and differing standards for when a provisional ballot will count; some of those rules are still in flux three weeks from the election.

Rules for who casts provisional ballots and how they are counted probably will vary even within states, especially if there are long lines, confusion and hot tempers at the polls, election experts said.

Some of the states where the race is tightest, such as Florida and Ohio, also have the strictest rules for provisional ballots.

Democrats and Republicans are training lawyers and election monitors to look for problems with provisional voting this year. Already, there are suits in five states claiming election officials are adopting too strict a standard for which votes will count and that eligible voters will be denied the right to vote as a result.

Questions about provisional ballots could produce a major battle after the election, too, with nightmarish echoes of the Florida fight of 2000.

Lawyers for President Bush and Democratic challenger John Kerry are ready for a new overtime contest in states where, if the election is close enough, the winner could be determined by who gets the most valid provisional votes.

Like Florida's punch cards, provisional ballots are pieces of paper that must be evaluated individually and counted by hand. The task is time-consuming, and most states have short deadlines to get the job done, said Doug Lewis, director of the Election Center, a nonpartisan research and training organization for state and local election administrators.

Postelection suits could resemble the Supreme Court's Bush v. Gore case that settled the 2000 election. The justices said it was unfair for Florida counties to apply different standards during punch card recounts, and there was not time to fix the problem.

Twenty-six states and the District of Columbia have adopted the view that a provisional ballot must be cast in the correct precinct, or it will not count.

Under that interpretation, voters unaware that their polling place has moved could be out of luck. So could voters given wrong information about their polling place. It would not matter whether the mistake was the voter's fault or a clerical error.

Other states will count a voter's choice for president and other national offices even if the ballot is not cast in the right local polling station. Votes for some purely local races might not count, but the theory goes that the voter should not lose out entirely just because of a ballot case in one precinct rather than another.

Provisional voting is not entirely new. About half the states offered something similar in 2000.

It is impossible to predict how many people will cast provisional ballots this year, said Curtis Gans, director of the nonpartisan Committee for the Study of the American Electorate.

It will easily be in the tens of thousands, however. In 2000 in Los Angeles County, the nation's largest voting district, about 101,000 people voted provisionally. Of those, about 61,000 votes were determined to be valid.


AP-NY-10-10-04 1913EDT

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