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posted October 03, 2004 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First Family Politics
Neil Bush's Ex-wife Says Bush Name Means Power, Connections, and Deep Loyalties

Oct. 1, 2004 — President George W. Bush's younger brother, Neil Bush, 49, has put himself and his prominent family into an unflattering election year spotlight.



In a revealing videotaped divorce proceeding obtained by 20/20, Neil disclosed numerous business deals that gave him generous financial benefits for minimal effort. Also detailed were the startling sexual liaisons he had while on business trips in Asia.

In the March 3, 2003, deposition, Neil testified to earning $60,000 a year to be co-chairman of Crest Investment Company for, on average, three or four hours a week of work.

When asked the specifics of his position with the Houston-based company, Neil said he was responsible for "answering phone calls when Jamal Daniel, the other co-chairman, when he called and asked for advice."

Daniel, a Syrian-born businessman based in Houston, is also an advisory board member of New Bridge Strategies, LLC, a company "created specifically with the aim of assisting clients to evaluate and take advantage of business opportunities in the Middle East following the conclusion of the U.S.-led war in Iraq," according to their website.

New Bridge, based in Houston, lists as the principals of the company a group of well-connected businessmen with serious political weight. There are former members of both Bush administrations, the powerful lobbyists Ed Rogers and Lanny Griffith, and John Howland, also a principal of the Crest Investment Company.

Rogers and Griffith told ABC News they were unaware of any connection the company might have to Neil Bush. And as the violence was escalating this March in Iraq, while Daniel was helping to arrange for clients lucrative contracts in Iraq, he also hosted a lavish second wedding at his Houston mansion for his longtime friend and now business associate Neil Bush, who was marrying for the second time.

Daniel declined to comment for this story.


"I think it shames the Bushes and I think it shames Americans that it doesn't shame the Bushes," said Kevin Phillips, a former Republican strategist and author of The American Dynasty, a critical look about the Bush family.

Observers of the Bush family say Neil has always chosen his friends carefully.

"The history of Neil is essentially a quarter century of moving and shaking and connecting and collecting," Phillips said.

Described as a Dom Perignon affair, the wedding was attended by family patriarch and former President George H.W. Bush, as well as prominent guests from the Middle East and China.

"And there were also very lavish gifts," said Mimi Swartz, executive editor of Texas Monthly. "I think the couple got matching Bulgari watches, I think someone else gave them an SUV."


What’s in a Name

Neil Bush's business travails first surfaced in the late 1980s, when he found himself in the unwelcome spotlight as a director on the board of the failed Silverado Banking Savings and Loan Association in Denver. It was a failure that cost taxpayers $1.3 billion, and though Neil denied any wrongdoing in a scandal that unfolded during the 1992 election, it cost his family as well.

"I remember having one chair in the whole living room," said Sharon Bush. "It was a tough time. We had to move and sell the house."

But when Sharon and Neil Bush resettled in Houston, where his parents live, Sharon says there was no shortage of profitable offers and deals through family connections.

"I think Neil is sort of a good time Charlie," said Phillips. "He's somebody who wants to make money on the family connections. I imagine he feels bad occasionally when something goes really wrong. But since he can't do too much else, he keeps doing it."

For example, in the deposition Neil said he was brought in to advise the board of a Chinese semiconductor company despite possessing no knowledge about semiconductors.

Neil Bush declined repeated requests to comment for this story. His lawyer said Neil has never been asked to contact a relative about a governmental matter nor would he do so.

"He's obviously not the world's greatest administrator or strategist but it doesn't matter if your name is Bush and your brother is president and your father is former president," Phillips said. "You can make a lot of arrangements and that's what he does."

And the indiscretions of Neil Bush do not end with his business practices. In the same videotaped deposition, he admits to having sex with women who simply showed up at his hotel room door during business trips to Thailand and Hong Kong.

"Mr. Bush, you have to admit that it's a pretty remarkable thing for a man just to go to a hotel room door and open it and have a woman standing there and have sex with her," said Sharon's attorney, Marshall Davis Brown.

"It was very unusual," responded Bush. And he testified it happened on more than one occasion. All the while, his wife of 23 years, Sharon, sat stunned across the table.

"He was so charming and he had always told me he loved me, so I was very shocked," the now ex-wife of Neil Bush said.

"I think it's outrageous that his parents did not at some point say to him, Neil, you're embarrassing your parents," said Phillips. "You're embarrassing your whole family. This is not what a son of the president of the United States does. This is not what the brother of the president of the United States does."


Family Ties

Today Sharon Bush is not only divorced from Neil, she told 20/20, but completely cut out of the larger Bush clan, what she calls the Bush corporation.

It is a tight-knit family that sticks together financially, socially, and of course, politically.

"Well, you know, we all work together to support George and get him elected. And my father-in-law, to get him elected. It's a family affair. You work hard," Sharon Bush recalled.

Sharon and Neil Bush were married in 1980, when his father was running for vice president, and the couple was once the toast of Houston.

"Promixity to Neil meant proximity to his father, proximity to his brother," said Texas Monthly's Swartz.

Sharon was active in charity work, and busy raising her three teenage children — Lauren, a model who can be seen in the pages of top fashion magazines such as Vogue and W, Ashley, and son Pierce.

But Sharon knew from the beginning, indeed on her wedding day, that politics came first.

While in her wedding dress, she said she was asked by her new mother-in-law to step out of certain family photos. Barbara wanted only her sons to be photographed with her, Sharon said.

And now, after Neil's recent wedding to Maria Andrew, a woman who volunteered in his mother Barbara's office, Swartz said friends of the Bush family began a whispering campaign against Sharon.

Among the rumors was "that she was unstable," said Swartz. "And I want be very careful to say that her friends did not say that, her close friends would stick up for her but the Bush surrogates, I think did an excellent job of blackening her reputation."

Sharon Bush's marriage had come to an end two days after her 50th birthday, when she says Neil sent her an e-mail from Dubai.

The e-mail read, "Sharon, we've both been unhappy. We're almost out of money and I've lost my patience for being compared to my brothers."

Given that only two days prior, Sharon said Neil had given her a ring and said he loved her, she was in a daze over the news. In attempting to reach out to her in-laws, Sharon said she received a baffling response.

"I just really basically was turned off, turned away," Sharon said, though she recounted a conversation with her mother-in-law, Barbara. "I said I think Neil is having a mid-life crisis. You know, I'm worried about his business and maybe stress was leading to this e-mail. And she basically said, you talk to your mother and Neilsy will talk to me. And Neilsy will never abandon his children. And that was it."

Sharon Bush said her divorce settlement only allowed for four years of alimony at $2,500 a month, and further contends that she will soon have to sell the family home in Houston. Meanwhile, Neil and his new wife are building a multi-million dollar house next door to his parents.

"They were my family for almost a quarter-century," Sharon said of the Bushes. "I believed in families, and I believed in the family values. And I thought they did, too. So, I thought I would get help from them."

But Swartz, a veteran of the Houston social scene, thought otherwise.

"It's very much like the presidency of George W.," she said. "I think you're either with them, or you're not, and if you're not with them, you are on that ice floe for the rest of your life."

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JW says that I should vote for Bush because I seem like as if I'm really with him, but since I've been against him all this time, I suppose that King George will never accept my apologies anyway!

Oh well, so what?!

Just remember, once that anybody is not with him, those are against him!

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posted October 03, 2004 04:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting
The Associated Press
Domestic News
March 31, 1981, Tuesday, PM cycle

From what I know and I've heard, they (the Hinckleys) are a very nice family and have given a lot of money to the Bush campaign."
SHARON BUSH


Previous Houston [Report Links Suspect with Bushes]
U.P.I.
March 31, 1981, Tuesday, PM cycle

The younger Bush, a ''land man'' for the Amoco Oil Co. in Denver, told the Houston Post in a copyright story published today he and Scott Hinckley were to have had dinner together tonight. The dinner party at Neil and Sharon Bush's modest one-story home in southeast Denver was canceled.

Scott Hinckley, vice president of Vanderbuilt Energy Co., the independent oil and gas exploration firm founded by his father in Texas and moved to Denver in 1974, was secluded with his parents at the home of a neighbor and not available for comment on his acquaintance with Bush.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38432f49307d.htm


and they didnt even know they were all related?
i thought these people keep track of stuff like that??

and of course this fits my theme well....


Neil Bush says Arab P.R. machine not as good as Israel's
In a controversial speech, the president's younger brother tells Saudi audience Arabs must play U.S. media game better. http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/01/24/neil_bush/index_np.html


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posted October 03, 2004 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My thoughts exactly Ozone. So what? What's that got to do with the President?

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posted October 03, 2004 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what Petron. Why don't you put your spin on the comments and tell us what it all means to you. Instead of posting innuendo, gossip and irrelevance?

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posted October 03, 2004 06:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
actually i ve already brought up the bush hinckley connection before,
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personally they both disgust me....

in fact kerry and bush are ninth cousins, twice removed....
it would seem that the bush family AND the kerry family are offshoots of the HINCKLEY family!! no wonder theyre both so unstable!!

"The Richards' daughter Mary married Thomas Hinckley, governor of the Plymouth Colony, and through their son, Samuel, they are the ancestors of President Bush. Their daughter Anna married Captain Ephraim Hunt, and through their son Thomas they are the ancestors of Kerry.

Through the same lineage, both men are linked to Gen. Douglas MacArthur and President Franklin D. Roosevelt; even infamous traitor Benedict Arnold and attempted presidential assassin John Hinckley Jr., have thick enough blue-blood roots to call themselves relations" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/04/politics/main604163.shtml

hmmmm..... what are the odds of that??!! that makes me suspect a cover-up in the hinckley assassination attempt....
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so then the bush family branched from the male side of the hinckley family, and the kerry family branched from the daughter of thomas hinckley
you gotta problem with that?
it just happens to be more interesting to me than stuff like whether teresa kerry gave away ketchup for halloween lol
if your not interested then by all means go over to one of your threads about teresa hienz kerry lol

perhaps i should start digging up your posts and asking you explain their "signifigance" lol

what jwhop YOU wont allow me to suspect a coverup?
you dont ALLOW me to suspect that rich powerful family relations in the oil industry really knew each other better than that?
do you LIKE the fact that neil bush is telling the saudi's to perform propaganda in the u.s.?
cmon jwhop lets hear your opinion.......

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posted October 03, 2004 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Didn't a bunch of sweet old ladies lose their life savings in some shystie loan deal he was involved in? I think Old Bush was President then. S and L or something like that. What was that?

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posted October 04, 2004 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, ninth cousins! That's really significant. Oh and you got to throw Benedict Arnold into the mix too. Personally, attempts to tar a family or an individual by association, instead of what they themselves do or did disgusts me.
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personally they both disgust me....in fact kerry and bush are ninth cousins, twice removed....
it would seem that the bush family AND the kerry family are offshoots of the HINCKLEY family!! no wonder theyre both so unstable!!"The Richards' daughter Mary married Thomas Hinckley, governor of the Plymouth Colony, and through their son, Samuel, they are the ancestors of President Bush. Their daughter Anna married Captain Ephraim Hunt, and through their son Thomas they are the ancestors of Kerry. Through the same lineage, both men are linked to Gen. Douglas MacArthur and President Franklin D. Roosevelt; even infamous traitor Benedict Arnold and attempted presidential assassin John Hinckley Jr., have thick enough blue-blood roots to call themselves relations"

A cover-up of the Hinkley assassination attempt Petron? Hinkley is in a mental institution....last I heard. Do you have new news of Hinkley's whereabouts? Oh, I see, it was a Bush and Hinkley family plot to assassinate Reagan so Bush senior, the Vice President would become President. You're quite the little conspiracy theorist aren't you Petron? Or are you getting this crap from an insane webmaster? And to think, all Bush had to do was wait a few years to become President anyway. You think Bush was just impatient Petron?

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hmmmm..... what are the odds of that??!! that makes me suspect a cover-up in the hinckley assassination attempt...
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I have no problem with who in the Hinkley and Bush families screwed who Petron.

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*************so then the bush family branched from the male side of the hinckley family, and the kerry family branched from the daughter of thomas hinckley
you gotta problem with that?

I'm very interested that the woman who wants to be First Lady of the United States, a billionaire or near so is so cheap she gives sample packets of catsup to children who are expecting candy or other goodies on Halloween. I'd also like to know if she rips those packets off from McDonalds, or Burger King. In any event, she isn't a woman I want representing the United States at official functions.

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it just happens to be more interesting to me than stuff like whether teresa kerry gave away ketchup for halloween lol
if your not interested then by all means go over to one of your threads about teresa hienz kerry


By all means Petron, do ask about the significance of something I posted...if it wasn't already laid out in the post. I think you're attempting to make associations and draw conclusions that are far out in left field. Your hatred for the Bush family is obvious. Calling the Bush family unstable is absurd though. Last I heard, Neil Bush is not President nor is he likely to ever be. So he's divorced, so what? So he gave some advice to the Saudi's about PR, so what? Big deal, or another conspiracy Petron?
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lolperhaps i should start digging up your posts and asking you explain their "signifigance" lolwhat jwhop YOU wont allow me to suspect a coverup?
you dont ALLOW me to suspect that rich powerful family relations in the oil industry really knew each other better than that?
do you LIKE the fact that neil bush is telling the saudi's to perform propaganda in the u.s.?

These are links to the bio's of the "unstable" Bush family members going back to Prescott. Looks stable as a rock to me Petron.

Prescott http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=B001167

George HW Bush http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/gb41.html

George W Bush http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

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actually i dont read much other than reuters upi wash. times. st. pete times...etc etc i try not to quote from anything but press sources who actually have printing presses
or any site on the net that archives such releases
i dont read "blogs" .......
most of my links have come from drudge or google news
i also watch mostly fox news because brit hume is so hilarious
i also sit thru alot of right wing radio hosts as they SCREAM AT ME thru their microphones what a KOOK i am...


and if you read that article on bush/hinckley/kerry you de see that it WASNT emphasized in the article , that the hinckley name was THE VERY SAME LINE that as a male, john hinckley jr. derives from, i just realized that any1 as far back as the plymouth colony with the name hinckley would be the VERY SAME line, and therefore that john hinckley jr. line was the progenitor of both the bush line and kerry line......i dont know why that interests me more than the other relations like hugh heffner it just does.....

i didnt get that from some blog jwhop i noticed it myself in that article and was pointing it out ,perhaps conspiracy was too extreme a word for what i suspect which is simply that ....perhaps hinckley jr. himself KNEW about his famous relations and in his allegedly schizophrenic state he thought he was going to take over his rightful heritage lol

i mean the guy DID go on a psycho mission that almost killed President Reagan, put press secretary James Brady in a wheelchair for life and seriously wounded a police officer and a Secret Service agent....right or is that just another left wing myth?

i just think the families knew each other better than was widely reported.....
im sure they probly DIDNT ever notice john h. jr. before that day....

or do ya suppose that maybe neil bush and hinckley jr were actually highly trained cia agents who perform black ops for their parents like in spy kids? lol


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The alleged misdeeds of the House of Bush aside, I think it's comical the way conservatives continue to hate the Clintons so ardently. They simply can't stand the thought of someone taking the White House away from them for eight years, can they? It terrifies them so that they undertook one of the more ridiculous mud-slinging campaigns in history to try and discredit him. Oh, how petty American politics are.

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posted October 04, 2004 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still beating that Clinton drum I see, QS.

I had my own nickname for Clinton....on political boards...Commander Corruption

Clinton had all the liberal virtues QS: Reports are that Clinton hasn't lost his touch.
Lying
Perjury
Adultery
Sexual assault
Treason
Obstruction of Justice
Bribery
Fraud
Murder
Rape...alleged

I know those are core liberal virtues QS because liberals everywhere defended Commander Corruption's actions...on every count. What else could one think?

Interestingly enough QS, C-SPAN conducted a year long program, a historian and historically driven review of all American Presidents, judging them on 10 components of the Presidency. I know you and other liberals will be very interested to know the historians and Presidential experts gave Clinton top billing on Moral Authority. Yep, Clinton was voted, by historians as the most Corrupt President in American history Commander Corruption even beat out Nixon as most Corrupt...the President liberals love to hate.

Overall, rated on all 10 facets of the review, Clinton finished in the middle of the pack.....behind both Reagan and George HW Bush.

for liberal values.


These are the categories in which the Presidents were rated.
Public Persuasion
Crisis Leadership
Economic Management
Moral Authority
International Relations
Administrative Skills
Relations with Congress
Vision/Setting Agenda
Pursued Equal Justice For All
Performance Within Context of Times
http://www.americanpresidents.org/survey/historians/moral.asp
http://www.americanpresidents.org/survey/

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posted October 04, 2004 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*Edit, Double post.

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posted October 04, 2004 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I can see how much you enjoy associations Petron and making links no one else is talking about.

Would it surprise you to know that Edward Kennedy knew Richard Nixon? That Hillary Clinton knew Nixon? Do you suppose John Kerry knew Nixon...after all, Kerry says Nixon sent him on a secret mission into Cambodia....before Nixon was President and that indicates a linkage of a personal nature. We all know how Nixon subverted the federal government. Do you think Kennedy, Clinton and Kerry were involved too? Does that sound like grist for a conspiracy Petron?

Go back far enough in history Petron and you might be surprised to find family linkages between lots of people. You're free to find significance in anything you enjoy. For myself, I'm related to the Standsburys of Maryland...way back, through my grandmother. The Standsburys had an English land grant for the land the city of Baltimore and the surrounding area now sits on. I don't think I'll ever see a penny of rent money from the City of Baltimore though. Interesting, though not relevant to anything in my life.

What, you think the Bush and Hinkley families got together and threatened the news services in an attempt to quash any stories linking John Hinkley to the Bush family? "now see here youse guys, no prying into things that only get youse hurt, capisch? I like youse guys and it would sadden me to have to tell Guido to fit youse guys with a cement overcoat"

I must confess my surprise to learn Drudge and Google news have actual printing presses.

Glad to hear someone is reading the St Petersburg Times. I live here and I don't and wouldn't Been there, done that.

Can't remember anyone on conservative talk radio screaming at anyone Petron....except some of the liberal callers who become frustrated when they can't make their points...their talking points from the DNC get shot down

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According to those surveys, Abraham Lincoln was pretty much the greatest president we ever had. Cool links Jwhop!

-StarLover

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well im glad to see they rated jimmy carter over all the others of recent times

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drudge and google are almost entirely composed of archives and links to mainstream print media

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and yes i think both parties are corrupt and that they work together to keep it that way....

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i notice there are no links to newsmax from drudge lol

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You know, jwhop, I'm disinclined to take anything you post seriously, though with so many great historians behind that survey I may have to believe it.

Yeah right. He kept the White House out of Republican hands for eight years, and that alone is a public service.

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lol

"theyre all in the same tub together"-Petron
"in private, i'll bet bush would hug, kiss, and hold hands with kerry just like he does with those saudi sheiks"-petron

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