posted October 13, 2004 02:28 AM              

“I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in '47, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo.”
-- Harry S. Truman

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President Right or Wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is Morally treasonable to the American Public.”
-- Theodore Roosevelt

“The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
-- Thomas Jefferson

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
-- Thomas Jefferson
[Note: The Federal Reserve, a private bank owned by a consortium of other private banks, has controlled the issue of money in the U.S. since 1913.]

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
-- Benjamin Franklin

“I’m President of the United States, and I’m not going to eat any more broccoli.”
- George H. W. Bush

“God told me to strike at Al Qaeda and I struck them. And then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did. With the might of God on our side we will triumph.”
- George W. Bush

posted October 13, 2004 02:59 AM            

Agreed, but politics stops at the border.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President Right or Wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is Morally treasonable to the American Public.”
-- Theodore Roosevelt

Agreed and Kerry is a gun grabber.
“The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
-- Thomas Jefferson

Agreed
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
-- Thomas Jefferson
[Note: The Federal Reserve, a private bank owned by a consortium of other private banks, has controlled the issue of money in the U.S. since 1913.]

Agreed
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
-- Benjamin Franklin

Agreed
“I’m President of the United States, and I’m not going to eat any more broccoli.”
- George H. W. Bush

Someone else posted this a while back. I asked for proof Bush ever said it and there was no response. Would you provide the source for this quote?
“God told me to strike at Al Qaeda and I struck them. And then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did. With the might of God on our side we will triumph.”
- George W. Bush

Possibly
“I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.”
- Adolph Hitler

posted October 13, 2004 08:26 AM              

Yea and I understand it's everyone's right to demonstrate his or her faith but in his case he's using it to change the constitution. And he also aspires to make laws according to what he believes are based upon good CHRISTIAN values. From what I've read, from various sources, is that he takes everything in the bible for truth, and he believes in the Old Testament. That sounds like a scary thought to me. I'm sure to many Americans his parading around his religion is threatening.

posted October 13, 2004 12:10 PM            

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Agreed
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
-- Thomas Jefferson
[Note: The Federal Reserve, a private bank owned by a consortium of other private banks, has controlled the issue of money in the U.S. since 1913.]

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posted October 13, 2004 12:33 PM              

"Our new faith-based laws have removed government as a roadblock to people of faith who hear the call."
-- George W. Bush, quoted from Aaron Latham, "How George W. Found God," George Magazine, September, 2000

"Through my Faith-Based and Community Initiative, my Administration continues to encourage the essential work of faith-based and community organizations. Governments can and should support effective social services, including those provided by religious people and organizations. When government gives that support, it is important that faith-based institutions not be forced to change their religious character."

-- George W. Bush, shamelessly promoting the idea that government ought to overturn decades -- centuries -- of civil rights progress by paying religious organizations to discriminate on the basis of religious adherence -- one of the very reasons why our Constitutison's Bill of Rights forbids our government from "respecting an establishment of religion" -- in his Proclamation: "Religious Freedom Day, 2004" (January 16, 2004) ††

posted October 13, 2004 01:55 PM              

You are so correct too. It is very unsettling for Americans to hear a President say these things. Mainly because his faith - his fundamentalist beliefs - are not taught or believed by all Christian religions or all Christians. As President he takes an oath to serve ALL of the American people. He does not have the right to force his beliefs on the rest of us.

The Religious Right who are fundamentalists like Bush are out to make the U.S. a Theocracy. The enemy we are fighting are fundamentalists too. Both groups are trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

Dangerous times for the U.S. and the world.

Also, historically ALL Kings, Queens and Russian Czars believed they were ordained to rule by God.

posted October 13, 2004 03:44 PM            

No news source reported the quote.

The quote is passed along...supposedly by Abbas from a conversation he had with the President concerning peace between the Palestinians and Israel.

Abbas reportedly passed the Bush quote along to leaders of the radical Islamic Jihadists in Palestinian territory.

Both Abbas and the Islamic Jihadists are Muslim with the Jihadists friendly to the aspirations of al-Queda/bin Laden and Saddam Hussein...in fact bin Laden/al-Queda and Saddam Hussein are heroes of these groups leaders Abbas is supposed to have spoken to and perhaps heroes of Abbas as well.

Such a statement from the President would be a direct insult to any Jihadist, worse than calling their mother or sister a wh*re and them bast*rds in it's literal meaning. Any Christian is not just an infidel but a very special kind of infidel...one who actually fights against Allah and the principles of Islam and further denies that Allah is even God at all...in their view.

Interpretation....God...my God told me to strike your heroes...conversely, your God, Allah was not strong enough to prevent my God from making it happen....successfully.

The purpose of the meeting between the President and Abbas was to foster a process for peace, not insult the hell out of one of the sides in the peace process.

The supposed quote is out of context with what was being talked about immediately before Bush supposedly made the statement...not one word leading up to the supposed statement was uttered or reported to have been uttered by the President. It just suddenly appears...out of context to what was being discussed.

It's bogus as hell because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for Bush to have said it....and is diametrically opposed to the purpose for which the meeting with Abbas was convened.

posted October 13, 2004 04:48 PM              

Here is a link to a quotes page http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/bush.htm

posted October 13, 2004 06:46 PM            

Under the Federal Reserve Act, Congress passed their duty to coin money and regulate the value thereof to a private corporation, though most people think the Federal Reserve System is an agency of the Federal government. Through manipulation of the value of the currency, federal reserve notes, the Federal Reserve has inflated and deflated the value of the currency to the benefit of bankers, their bankers.

The effect of the Fed is to bring every dollar into circulation as a debt instrument for the cost of paper and ink regardless of whether it's a dollar bill or a $10,000 bill, it's cost to the Fed is about 2 cents, They immediately loan out those notes at full face value plus interest.

Through a system of reserve requirements for banks....to meet the return of demand deposits by depositors, the banks are able to loan an almost infinite amount of debt/credit on customer deposits. For instance, a deposit of $1,000 in a checking or savings account would permit a bank to loan something like $6,000 at a 15% reserve requirement. But, the reserve requirement is about 1.5% now. Imagine a $1000 deposit in my name. You go into the bank for a loan. The bank could loan you $850 based on my $1000 deposit. You take your $850 loan but it's usually not in cash, it's in the form of a deposit to your account. Now Randall goes into the same bank for a loan. The bank can loan Randall $722.50 based on your $850 deposit.....and so on, and so on to infinity. It's called Fractional Reserve Banking. Now, I go back into the bank and withdraw my $1000. What now, is the basis of your loan, Randall's loan and every other loan based on my $1000 deposit?

The truth is that Federal National Banks are loaning their credit when they extend a credit card to you or anyone else. National banks are prohibited by Supreme court decisions from loaning their credit to act as guarantor for another. But, a credit card transaction is exactly a situation where the bank...issuer is acting as guarantor..for you. The bank does not hand the merchant money. If it did, there would be no problem. Instead, the bank makes a bookkeeping entry on the merchants account balance. There is no money in the transaction at all....only the possibility of money and only IF the merchant at some point goes into the bank and makes a cash withdrawal. That almost never happens because the merchants write checks against their account balance and a check is not actually payment but only a promise to pay...in other words, a check is a form of IOU.

It's convoluted as hell but the net effect is that there is not and has not been for more than 70 years enough money in circulation to pay off all the debt that exists in this country. If the sum total of every dollar in circulation were collected and applied to all the debt, private, institutional and governmental, we would still owe the banks the equivalent of the 4-5 times the total value of all the assets, including land in America. When I say assets, I mean every car, every tv, chair, sofa, house and anything else that has any monetary value.

The debt cannot be paid and it isn't intended to be paid. Banks make their money off interest and fees. Why would they want to be paid off? That's disaster from a banks viewpoint. What they want is everyone paying and paying and paying including the government debt but not paying off anything....ever.

Hope I haven't bored you. You probably already knew all that.

posted October 13, 2004 06:53 PM              

Bush told Larry King that during Monday's debate, he misunderstood a question asking him to name his favorite political philosopher. Bush answered "Christ," which led some to speculate he was attempting to either appease the religious right or inject his religious beliefs into the campaign.

posted October 13, 2004 08:46 PM            

Now, you do realize that what you are asking for is the next farthest thing we could ever hope to expect from Bush.. or Kerry for that matter.. next to giving up on this whole global free market garbage that is..

posted October 14, 2004 01:39 AM            

"Whereas, the Senate of the United States devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for national prayer and humiliation..... President Abraham Lincoln

And whereas, it is the duty of nations as well as of men to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions in humble sorrow yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon, and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history: that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.....President Abraham Lincoln

"I am sure that never was a people, who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs, than those of the United States: and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency, which was so often manifested during our Revolution, or that they failed to consider the omnipotence of that God who is alone able to protect them.".....President George Washington

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviciton in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.".....President Thomas Jefferson

WHEN in the Course of human Events,
it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness
President Thomas Jefferson....Declaration of Independence

"The true Christian is the true citizen, lofty of purpose, resolute in endeavor, ready for a hero’s deeds, but never looking down on his task because it is cast in the day of small things; scornful of baseness, awake to his own duties as well as to his rights, following the higher law with reverence and in this world doing all that in his power lies, so that when death comes he may feel that mankind is in some degree better because he lived"......President Theodore Roosevelt

"In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for the Divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered....Benjamin Franklin

And have we now forgotten this powerful Friend? or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance? I have lived for a long time, 81 years; and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?.....Benjamin Franklin

And what is worse, mankind may hereafter, from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing government by human wisdom, and leave it to chance, war, or conquest. I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers, imploring the assistance of Heaven and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this assembly every morning before we proceed to business; and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service" ......Benjamin Franklin

"There is no country in the whole world, in which the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America: and there can be no greater proof of its utility, and of its conformity to human nature, than that its influence is most powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth." ... Alexis de Tocqueville

"It can not be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!".......Patrick Henry

We should live our lives as though Christ were coming this afternoon....President James Earl Carter

You can't divorce religious belief and public service I've never detected any conflict between God's will and my political duty. If you violate one, you violate the other.....President James Earl Carter

I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details. ......Albert Einstein

Without God, there is no virtue, because there's no prompting of the conscience. Without God, we're mired in the material, that flat world that tells us only what the senses perceive. Without God, there is a coarsening of the society. And without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure. If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under. If I could just make a personal statement of my own -- in these 3 1/2 years I have understood and known better than ever before the words of Lincoln, when he said that he would be the greatest fool on this footstool called Earth if he ever thought that for one moment he could perform the duties of that office without help from One who is stronger than all....President Ronald Reagan

"We establish no religion in this country, nor will we ever. We command no worship. We mandate no belief. But we poison our society when we remove its theological underpinnings. We court corruption when we leave it bereft of belief. All are free to believe or not believe; all are free to practice a faith or not. But those who believe must be free to speak of and act on their belief, to apply moral teaching to public questions. I submit to you that the tolerant society is open to and encouraging of all religions. And this does not weaken us; it strengthens us, it makes us strong. You know, if we look back through history to all those great civilizations, those great nations that rose up to even world dominance and then deteriorated, declined, and fell, we find they all had one thing in common. One of the significant forerunners of their fall was their turning away from their God or gods.....President Ronald Reagan

posted October 14, 2004 03:31 AM            

jwhop
Wow, I'm amazed. You named quite a few Masonic folk in that list. You know, George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, Patrick Henry, and Benjamin Franklin. http://www.calodges.org/no406/FAMASONS.HTM
Ties in very much with what Linda said, you know, about the occult influences at work in the founding of this great nation, don't you agree? These men were like political Da Vinci's. You just gotta' love 'em. Thank heavens, though, that they had the sense and logic not to try to establish a single religion ... you know, perhaps understanding part of the reason of the rebellion against England and all that, and also realizing that the word God is, in essence, more of a job description than a name. Yes, I'm sure they had the wisdom along with the knowledge to know that excluding anyone's God from this great nation would be folly. Love thy neighbor as thyself, no? I mean, just look at our great, double sided seal of America.
It really is remarkable considering that the majority of Americans were some denomination or another of Christianity back then and yet still were, in many cases, having enough trouble getting along with each other ... not to mention the Indians whom these pious Christians refused to even acknowledge as humans much less as religious or spiritual people. And, of course, it is completely understandable, considering the great atrocities committed by these same pious Christians againts Blacks in this great country that Martin Luther King, Jr. would indeed thank a "God Almighty" for the simple inalienable right of freedom in this country, at long last. Yet our founding fathers knew, even way back when amongst many other blinded people, that all beliefs were to be allowed and respected. Truly amazing insight considering that we are still today dealing with religious and racial intolerance in this nation under "God". Life is so paradoxically beautiful, don't you think?

posted October 14, 2004 03:45 AM            

Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican.
-- George W. Bush, refusing to answer reporters' questions at the Summit of the Americas, Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001, quoted from Jacob Weinberg, http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/bush.htm (I followed the link someone posted earlier in this thread)

OMG, did he really say that? I'm not trying to start a fight here or anything, but this reminds me of a friend of mine's professor in college. She actually got kicked out of a lecture for arguing with her professor that all Hispanics or Latin Americans are not Mexican. He used "Mexican" as an umbrella term for all people from the Carribean, Central, and South America, and to describe their Spanish as opposed to Castellano which would be Spanish as it is spoken in Spain. Seriously backwards.

Okay, sorry, just couldn't stop laughing. Someone please tell me that Pres. Bush, former Governor of Texas, of all places, did not actually refer to a "Mexican" language.

posted October 14, 2004 06:14 AM            

Published on Monday, June 30, 2003 by CommonDreams.org
Did Bush Say God Told Him To Go To War?
by Ira Chernus

Did God tell George W. Bush to strike at Al-Qaeda and Iraq? God only knows. Did Bush SAY that God told him to strike? We don't know yet, for sure. But we damn well better find out. Because if George W. said it, he-and all of us-could be in for some big trouble.

Here is what we know for sure, so far. Journalist Arnon Regular wrote, in the June 26 edition of Ha'aretz (Israel's most reputable newspaper), that he has minutes of a meeting among top-level Palestinian leaders, including Prime Minister Mahmoud Abas. The minutes are apparently quite detailed, because Regular wrote a long article recounting very specific conversations. The last paragraph of the article reads:

"According to Abbas, Bush said: 'God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.'"

Before you jump to any conclusions, remember that you are reading a translation of a translation of a translation. Mahmoud Abas does not speak English. Bush does not speak Arabic. If Bush said these words, or something like them, Abas heard them from a translator. Then Abas repeated them, as he remembered them a couple of weeks later, in Arabic. Some unknown person wrote down what he thought he heard Abas say. Then Regular, or someone at Ha'aretz, translated them back into English-or perhaps first into Hebrew and then into English.

Clearly, we don't yet know what Bush said, or why. Just as clearly, the man has some explaining to do. And whatever the truth of the matter, he has serious problems.

First, let's give him some benefit of the doubt. Maybe he never said it. The quote could be fabricated-though it is hard to see who would gain by making it up. Maybe he did say God told him to make war, but he doesn't really believe it. He might have made it up for effect, trying to score some political points in the Middle East.

Whatever benefit he got should be far outweighed by the price he has to pay here at home. This is no little incident that can slip away and be forgotten. Once Bush is called to account, his problems will really begin.

If he confirms the Ha'aretz report, those of us who say God has no place in the Oval Office had better ring the alarm, as loud and long as we can. If he truly believes that he hears the voice of God, there is no telling what God might say tomorrow. This is a man who can launch the world's biggest arsenal of weapons of mass destruction-biological, chemical, and nuclear-at any moment.

So, what are we to think? That he said something like that, but it was ''lost in translation''? Think what you want, you've already stated your opinion..

posted October 15, 2004 12:36 AM            

I showed you those quotes going back the George Washington and I also showed you the quotes from Abraham Lincoln to let you see that God played a part in both how they governed and in their private lives as well.

We have Lincoln declaring a national day of prayer and repentance.

Now, I know the atheists among us want everyone to believe that no one can say the word God in a public building and no employee of a city, county, state or of the federal government can ever say GOD while upon the premises or when they're on the job. And I know they pretend it's unconstitutional for the pledge of allegiance to have the phrase "under God." And I know they pretend the phrase "In God We Trust," found on every bill of currency in the US is unconstitutional. But that's total nonsense and it's proven to be nonsense when we find the chief executive endorsing a national day of prayer that mentions GOD.

The Amendments to the constitution were ratified by the States and complete in 1791. I'm going to trust the people who were there on the scene at that time and take their lead as to what the 1st Amendment really meant and it sure as hell didn't mean what atheists today say it means.

Simply put, there is no separation of church and state even so much as mentioned in the Constitution or the amendments. Atheists bring up Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists as an indicator that there was to be a wall between church and state. But when we see what Jefferson actually did, it makes it much clearer what that meant. And what it meant was that the United States government would not, was forbidden to establish an official religion for the United States.

That is exactly what the 1st amendment actually says:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....."

I know that some today think the founders of the United States were doddering old fools, ignorant and uneducated but that is very far from the truth. The Constitution says very specifically and exactly what they intended for it to say. These men for the most part had a classical education, far superior to what is available today, lasting longer and more in depth. For their day, they absorbed most of the knowledge available and were concise in the use of language. They would be considered brilliant today had they been brought up in our society.

Thomas Jefferson permitted a church group to hold church services in the chambers of the House of Representatives every Sunday during the entire time of his Presidency and he attended those services. He also permitted different denominations to hold meetings in various federal buildings all over Washington.

In short, I'll take the word of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln as being knowledgeable as to what the language in the first amendment actually means over the atheist viewpoint any day of the week. The founders collectively wrote, argued over virtually every word, amended and ratified the document in the first place.

posted October 15, 2004 01:36 AM              

I also agree that it is ridiculous to say that we cannot use God's name in schools at all or say the Pledge of Alleigance because it has God's name in it or take "In God We Trust" off our money.

I mentioned before how both "liberals" and "conservatives" can go to the extremes. In this case it is a group of liberals who have gone to the extreme left who are saying these things and trying to get it stopped. Not all liberals feel that way.

The U.S. was founded by Christians escaping from religious persecution in Europe. When this country was founded no one had the vision of a country that would one day be a melting pot of immigrants from all over the world and some who have different religious beliefs other than Christianity.

The President of the United States of America is the leader of ALL the people. Congressmen and all of our representatives are there to serve all their constituents. When legislation is passed that is based on Christianity that would not be serving all of the people. It would only be serving Christians. For example, when G W Bush was governor of Texas he passed legislation declaring a day be set aside for Jesus. He called it "Jesus Day." That served the Christians in Texas but what about the Jews, the Muslims, the Buddhists, etc. in Texas? He was governor of those people too. Yet he omitted them when he passed that legislation. How would you feel if we had a Muslim President who passed a similar law only it was called "Allah Day?" Well, how you would feel is how all those other people felt who did not believe in Jesus. I know as a Christian I wouldn't like it much.

For that reason our government has always kept church and state separate. They pray in meetings and gatherings in Congress, the House and the White House at times but when it comes to legislation they keep religion and government separate. That is as it should be. So to even take prayer out of schools, or the Pledge or God off our money would also not be serving all the people. All religions believe in God though they may call him something else.

We are fighting the latest group to be declared our "enemy" by the government who are fundamentalists. We only have to see what is happening in the Middle East where religion is part of the government to know where that road will lead us. Historically any time church and state have been combined it has lead to disaster for either the state or the Church. Mostly the Church because the Church became very corrupt. Power corrupts.

George Bush is a fundamentalist evangelitical. That is his faith and it's fine with me. But I'm a Roman Catholic and he doesn't speak for me when it comes to faith. I do not believe fundamentally. I wasn't taught fundamentally. That applies to all other Americans who are not fundamentalists. I don't for that reason want my morals dictated to me by legislation because that interferes with my conscience. I would have to break those laws because a person's conscience is the higher law. So when John Kerry says he understands and admires the faith of others but he can't legislate laws that apply to beliefs because he serves all the people if he is President even the athiests, I am far more comfortable with that than someone who feels if he believes it wrong then it should be law.

posted October 15, 2004 02:49 AM            

Okay. Sorry. Had to throw some Pagan-type flavor in the mix. Please proceed.

posted October 16, 2004 03:01 PM            

Now Mirandee, I know in the eyes of the atheists, any person or denomination who believes in God and the principles taught in the New Testament of the Bible are good and/or true, is a fundamentalist evangelical.

They would also tell you that anyone who holds such views is unfit to hold public office or an appointment as a judge to the Federal Courts.

They're soooooo scary. The principles by which they live their lives are sooooo scary too.

Of course, to me, anyone who holds membership in any church who does not believe the basic tenets of that church or denomination, that person is a hypocrite and a poser.

posted October 16, 2004 03:26 PM              

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Of course, to me, anyone who holds membership in any church who does not believe the basic tenets of that church or denomination, that person is a hypocrite and a poser.

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I agree Jwhop....and I think Dubya is the biggest hyprocrite of all! No true Christian could have all the blood on his hands that he does...starting with the executions in Texas while he was govenor (the most in Texas history) Making fun of Karla Faye Tucker (a prisoner on death row), not to mention all the innocents he sent to their deaths with the damnable war! Not only OUR young people, but innocent Iraqi people...women, children,......and they keep dying every day!

If he's an example of what a "Christian" is, then messages are coming in loud and clear (to those who have eyes to see....and ears to hear) that Christianity is as brutal and extreme as the Islam of the terrorists...

Love,
Rainbow