posted October 21, 2004 01:37 PM            

It isn't working!

Thursday, Oct. 21, 2004
Note to PETA: Kerry's Gone a-Hunting

Forget the right to self-defense: Sen. John Kerry apparently thinks the Second Amendment is all about killing birds.

Despite his long Senate record of voting against gun rights, the Massachusetts Democrat has planned a goose-hunting photo opportunity today in Ohio.
His handler Mike McCurry described the stunt as a chance for people to get "a better sense of John Kerry, the guy."

Sorry. What's important is that people who pay attention to officeholders' voting records already have a sense of John Kerry, the politician.

"As Kerry goes hunting, readers of the Youngstown newspaper will see a full-page ad bought by the National Rifle Association. It says Kerry is posing as a sportsman while opposing gun-owners' rights," the Associated Press reported today.

NRA noted last week in endorsing the president that unlike Kerry, "President Bush will appoint justices that respect the Bill of Rights."

Question: Will those animal "rights" fanatics who delight in throwing red paint on elderly women's fur coats put in an appearance when Kerry dons his Elmer Fudd cap for the cameras?

Late-morning update: In Boardman, a suburb of Youngstown, "Kerry returned after a two-hour hunting trip wearing a camouflage jacket and carrying a 12-gauge shotgun, but someone else carried the bird he said he shot," the Associated Press reported.

"I'm too lazy," Kerry said. "I'm still giddy over the Red Sox. It was hard to focus."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/21/85712.shtml

Hard to focus? That's a congenital problem with Kerry who cannot remember what he said just yesterday and has to make up a new position today...about....everything.
A-Flippin and A-Floppin.

posted October 21, 2004 02:41 PM            

If you can do the same about Bush, please post them and the source of your information.
Conversely, you could post the links to posts on this forum showing the so called Bush flip-n-flops others have already posted....if any.

Here's one of Kerry's best.

I actually voted for the 87 billion...before I voted against it

posted October 21, 2004 04:28 PM              

Anyways, I agreed with you John Kerry does flip flop. Us humans have this thing where we tend to change our minds on issues.

posted October 21, 2004 05:16 PM            

That said, I've never, ever shot anything that I didn't intend to eat nor would I ever kill anything to prove a point or for the sake of improving my image among any group of people....like Kerry did.

miss_apples, it's one thing to change one's mind based on new information. It's quite another to change position because you're suddenly talking to a different group than you were yesterday and the new group is diametrically opposed to your position of yesterday.

The Prez takes a lot of heat because he doesn't waffle. How can he be so sure, they ask? Mainly those who have no firm beliefs and blow like reeds in the wind themselves. They just hate that anyone is very sure...about anything...lack of character...to them. Uncertainty is a virtue.

posted October 21, 2004 09:42 PM              

You guys get upset and accuse the Kerry camp of "nitpicking" about Cheney's flu shot and now who is "nitpicking" about a hunting trip that Kerry went on in Ohio? Practice what you preach.

HE HAS SAID MANY TIMES HE IS A HUNTER!!!!! Halo!!! No matter what is proven fact by anyone you will just go on repeating the lies, jwhop.

posted October 21, 2004 09:56 PM            

AK-47 assault weapons have been banned in the US for as long as they have been in production, being produced in the Soviet Union and China.

Fully automatic weapons are and have been banned in the US since 1933. I'll stand on that fact Mirandee, unless and until you can show me otherwise.

posted October 21, 2004 10:19 PM              

You are outdated, jwhop. That ban on A-k 47's recently ended. And thanks to the Republicans was not renewed. Now our streets can once again be filled with assault weapons of every kind. In spite of the fact that over 60% of American citizens oppose the sale of them. But the Republicans and NRA are in favor of them so what do they care what the American public wants? While our kids are killed in schools and our streets are unsafe we can thank the NRA and the Republicans in Congress for it.

Recently near where I live the police discovered a plot by a local high school student for a shooting similiar to Columbine. When they went in to search his house they found countless assault weapons in his room and the basement. His father was also arrested. Thank you NRA. Thank you Republicans. My grand kids thank you too for the unsafe schools.
http://washington.news.designerz.com/us-weapons-ban-ends-amid-recriminations.html

A US ban on the manufacture and possession of military-style assault weapons ended with a bitter dispute between political rivals and a debate over its effectiveness.

President Bill Clinton signed the ban in 1994 in a wave of outrage after a series of multiple killings in schools and fast food restaurants. But the powerful gun lobby has had the ban in its sights ever since.

The law expired after the Republican-dominated Congress refused to back an extension. When the law was passed, a provision allowed for it to lapse unless Congress voted to prolong it.

Republican leaders have made it clear they oppose the ban. And while President George W. Bush said he supported extending the ban, he did not press Republicans to make time for the legislation.

John Kerry, the Democratic challenger in the November 2 presidential election, accused Bush of making it easier for killers to get the AK-47s, Uzis and 17 other types of gun banned under the legislation.

"When it became time to stand up and ask America to do what was right, George Bush's powerful friends in the gun lobby asked him to look the other way, and he couldn't resist, and he said, 'sure'," Kerry declared in a speech in Washington.

"And so tomorrow, for the first time in 10 years, when a killer walks into a gun shop, when a terrorist goes to a gun show somewhere in America, when they want to purchase an AK-47 or some other military assault weapon, they're going to hear one word: 'Sure'."

He went on: "George Bush chose to make the job of terrorists easier and make the job of America's police officers harder, and that's just plain wrong."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said that the president was still "for a reauthorization of the current ban" but emphasised that it was for Congress to set the legislative timetable.

A poll by the University of Philadelphia's National Annenberg election survey found that 68 percent of Americans support the ban and police chiefs from the across the United States have called for an extension.

International Association of Chiefs of Police president Joseph Polisar said: "This year alone there have been more than a dozen officers killed with assault weapons."

Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton added: "These are weapons of murder. They're not weapons of hunting or collecting.

But the powerful National Rifle Association (NRA), which has four million members, is delighted that the ban is coming to an end. The NRA says there is no proof that the ban has had any impact on the number of gun crimes.

posted October 21, 2004 10:29 PM              

Kerry says a lot of things, things that are for public consumption but are not true.

posted October 21, 2004 11:06 PM              

kerry supported and voted for an alternate version of the same bill that would have approved $87 billion in emergency funds for troops and reconstruction in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it was conditioned on repealing a portion of the tax cuts to help pay for the costs of the war. bush threatened to veto that version of the bill if it passed and it was defeated.

It was clear that the 87 billion dollar bill without the funding provisions was going to pass so kerry lodged a protest vote against the 87 billion bill without the tax rollback.

There was never any question that the troops were going to get the funds requested

the deficit is huge . At one time being "fiscally conservative" was a standard republican platform plank.

and btw cheneys wife was complaining about the mention of her daughter after the debate and thats why edwards wife questioned if she was ashamed of her daughter.....

posted October 21, 2004 11:54 PM            

Kerry is a liar, the so called assault weapons ban was a total fraud as NO, NO, NOT ONE, fully automatic assault weapon or any other fully automatic weapon of any type or manufacturer has been legal in the US since 1933.

The AR-15 is a replica of the M-16 fully automatic assault weapon. The AR-15 fires one bullet when the trigger is pulled and the M-16 fires a continuous stream of bullets until the magazine is empty or trigger pressure is released. The replica AK-47 is in the same class as the AR-15 and the fully automatic AK-47 is in the same class as the M-16.

Both the M-16 and the AK-47 assault rifle were always banned in the US and still are.

No wonder democrats are so easily lead around by their little beaks by Chicken Little and Goosey Loosey.

posted October 22, 2004 02:14 AM              

I clearly provided you with that information and it was in all of the news. Newspapers and television. The ban expired just recently in fact.

I missed the whole point of what guns shoot how many shots etc. Who gives a rats patooey? No, I don't know anything about guns nor do I care to know. I don't like guns and don't own one. And being a Taurus with Mars in Leo in my chart there are times when you can be damn grateful I don't like guns and don't own one.

The point is that guns kill no matter how many shots they fire and there are too many assault weapons on the street that pose a danger not only to society at large but the law enforcement officers.

The point is that the majority Republican Congress did not re-establish the ban on assault weapons when it expired because of the lobbying of the NRA and all the money they lined their pockets with. Meanwhile our streets are unsafe and our schools are unsafe.

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Edwards wife's comment was an assault on the Cheney's and a cheap shot...characteristic of these slimeball democrats and totally uncalled for

But it is called for when Republican "slimeballs" take cheap shots or work overtime attacking the character of Kerry? If in fact, Kerry's wife said that ( source of that quote please) maybe she was just wondering why it bothered Cheney's wife so much to get a complement about their acceptance of their daughter though she is gay. Kerry probably explained to her later that it is just a political ploy to make an issue out of it and make "an assault" on the Kerry's. If for no other reason so you can harp on it for eons, jwhop.

Kerry lies...Kerry is a liar....blah blah blah you sound like a broken record. Maybe that is part of your brainwashing program to be repetitive with the mantras.

posted October 22, 2004 03:18 AM            

You could have gone to any of 1,000 websites and found that fully automatic weapons, military weapons or otherwise, have been banned since 1933 taking effect in 1934 but you chose to continue in your ignorance.

Because you insinuate I'm a liar, I'm going to go to some extra trouble that should not be necessary. Perhaps you'll let me know how you came by your expertise in firearms?

Further and for the record, John Kerry is a liar when he says fully automatic assault weapons were banned by the Assault weapons ban of 1994. Those weapons were already illegal for civilians to own and what was actually banned were semiautomatic weapons which look like fully automatic military assault weapons but fire only one round with one trigger pull. Additionally, those weapons fire the same bullets at the same velocities as weapons which were not banned because they have conventional looking stocks instead of looking like military weapons.

By comparison, my hunting rifle is not banned or wasn't but fires an extremely high velocity and heavier bullet that by comparison, makes the so called assault weapons including the fully automatic military weapons look like pop guns.

It isn't what a rifle looks like that makes it more or less lethal. It's the action and the bullet it fires and not the appearance of the rifle.

FUNCTION OF ACTION

"Many people not familiar with firearms do not make any distinction between a semi-automatic firearm and a fully automatic firearm. This is understandable, but the distinction needs to be made. A fully automatic firearm will fire multiple bullets with each trigger pull. These weapons are used by the military and law enforcement agencies. It is unlawful for a civilian to possess a fully-automatic weapon without special licensing from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. (BATF) This has been the case since 1934.

Although many of the banned weapons look like their fully automatic counterparts, they are not the same!

All of the banned weapons have a semi-automatic action. What this means is that after the firearm is fired, either a gas system or recoil system causes a mechanism to eject the shell casing and load a new round. Only one bullet is fired each time the trigger is fired. From a practical standpoint, a double action revolver could also be called “semi-automatic” since a bullet is fired each time the trigger is pulled. The only difference is in the mechanics.

There is nothing unique about a semi-automatic action. In fact, the semi-automatic action is more than 100 years old. This type of action is used in pistols, rifles and shotguns of all different styles and calibers.

AMMUNITION

The type of ammunition shot by these banned weapons is not special or unique; they fire a variety of different ammunition from rifle calibers of .223 to .308 to pistol calibers of .22 to .45. (For those that aren’t familiar with what those numbers mean, the caliber is basically the diameter of the bullet as measured in inches. So a .22 caliber is roughly a quarter inch in diameter.) These bullet types are not unusual and are used in literally hundreds of different firearms that are not banned."
http://www.awbansunset.com/comparison.html

Now Mirandee, if after reading this and anything else you wish to read on the subject, you still insist that the so called assault weapons ban covered fully automatic weapons and that the expiration of the ban now permits civilian ownership of fully automatic weapons, I'm going to ask you to provide the proof..including the source of your information.

posted October 22, 2004 03:32 AM              

You are arguing nonsense just to avoid the real issue here which is that it was not renewed etc.

I told you I don't care about what is real and what is not concerning guns. It's like arguing the difference between apples and oranges. They are both fruit. The "non-real" assault weapons you describe are just as deadly to police officers and citizens.

Kerry did not lie because he was addressing the ban that was imposed by Clinton which was not re-newed. Did the police also lie when they stated most of the deaths of police officers each year is due to assault weapons on the street?

Okay, have it your way, jwhop. Kerry lies, Kerry's wife lies, Edwards lies, I lie, everyone else here that supports Kerry lies, the police lie, the reporters lie who don't work for Fox and Newsmax, the only people who are truthful, honest and pure are Bush, his wife, Cheney, Cheney's wife, you, and other Bush supporters.

posted October 22, 2004 10:36 AM            

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You would know more about it than a Congressman and a Vietnam vet, jwhop.

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You are arguing nonsense just to avoid the real issue here which is that it was not renewed etc. I told you I don't care about what is real and what is not concerning guns. It's like arguing the difference between apples and oranges. They are both fruit. The "non-real" assault weapons you describe are just as deadly to police officers and citizens.

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Kerry did not lie because he was addressing the ban that was imposed by Clinton which was not re-newed. Did the police also lie when they stated most of the deaths of police officers each year is due to assault weapons on the street?

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Okay, have it your way, jwhop. Kerry lies, Kerry's wife lies, Edwards lies, I lie, everyone else here that supports Kerry lies, the police lie, the reporters lie who don't work for Fox and Newsmax, the only people who are truthful, honest and pure are Bush, his wife, Cheney, Cheney's wife, you, and other Bush supporters

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As for you yourself Mirandee, there is this.

You said this:

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No they are not banned, jwhop. What color is the sky in the world you live in? Are you programmed to filter out all TRUTH?

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Both the M-16 and the AK-47 assault rifle were always banned in the US and still are.

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Kerry lied when he said fully automatic weapons were now legal on the streets of America....because Bush let the assault weapons ban expire. A damned lie and one perpetrated by those of the gun grabbing radical leftists in America, those who have no regard for the Constitution of the United States. Those a lot like you Mirandee, as your comments indicate.