posted October 21, 2004 10:58 PM              

However, jwhop persists in smearing Kerry ( and accuses Kerry supporters of "being blinded by hate") so what's good for goose etc.

The Bush Campaign has stunk with smear of John Kerry's war record.Bush should follow the adage "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." So on the eve of Sinclair Broadcasting's big production I thought it might be fitting to have the other side of the coin presented.

UNFIT FOR SERVICE—

THE MYSTERY OF “PTI 961” SOLVED

On Friday, Sinclair Broadcasting will once again smear war hero John Kerry with the thoroughly-discredited Swift Boat lies.

For 4 years, we have tried to find out the truth about George W. Bush's desertion from the Texas Air National Guard. Yet the mainstream media has shown NO interest in getting to the bottom of this story.

Now, thanks to the incredible work of Paul Lukasiak of the AWOL Project (http://glcq.com), we are VERY close to learning the truth.

It all comes down to this: there is a special code on Bush's Air National Guard discharge papers that would solve the mystery: "PTI 961".

"PTI" is the Air Force term for "Personal Transaction Identifier." Lukasiak has determined that PTI 9xx means Lt. George W. Bush was essentially worthless to the Air Force in 1973, and should not be retained in the "Ready Reserves" for callup by the President even in the event of a national emergency.

But why EXACTLY was Bush worthless to the Air Force in 1973, when he still had a year left to serve?

We have long known that Bush was grounded as a pilot in September 1972 after he went AWOL for 5 months and refused to get his required annual flight physical. (The media knows this too, but they keep it a deep dark secret from the American people.) The 9-29-72 grounding record is here:
http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp

Just this September, we learned that Bush's commander, Col. Jerry Killian, told Bush's replacement (Capt. Jan Peter Linke) that Bush couldn't fly because he developed a "Fear of Flying" - possibly related to his substance abuse. (This was only reported nationally by The Nation, and has been systematically ignored by ALL of the media.) Visit:
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041011&s=baker

Back in 1972-3, Bush's powerful friends in the Texas Air National Guard managed to conceal Bush's worthlessness from the Air Force for 16 months. But ultimately the Air Force demanded the truth, and Bush was discharged accordingly - with code PTI 961.

When Bush became Governor, his aides - led by now-Presidential Advisor Karen Hughes and now-Communications Director Dan Bartlett - destroyed most of the records documenting Bush's failure to "fulfill his obligations." During the 2000 campaign, Bush's former Guard crony Col. Al Lloyd LIED to the media by claiming Bush "fulfilled his obligations" - a LIE Bush keeps repeating, and the media still believes. And when Bush was appointed President, his aides destroyed the rest of the embarassing and incriminating records.

But they left one tiny trace of the truth: PTI 961.

You can read the details of Lukasiak's investigation here: http://www.glcq.com/pti_961.htm

posted October 21, 2004 11:17 PM              

Looks like he can run....but he can't hide...

posted October 21, 2004 11:57 PM              

The DNC is waiting for Lukasiak to obtain the documents from someone who served in the Guard in the 60's and 70's and can give them documented proof of what PTI961 code means then they are going to go public with it.

It wasn't easy, Libra

If you guys recall the media has sort of hinted at this by questioning the "missing year" of Bush's service.

posted October 22, 2004 05:14 PM            

Bush's military record has been poured over and more studied than the Constitution by hungry reporters trying to whup up a damaging story...going all the way back to his run for Governor of Texas.

Your nonsense won't wash.

First, we know where Bush was when he requested AND received a transfer to the Alabama Air National Guard. We know the reason for the request and why it was granted. Reason, to work on a political campaign for a politician running for office in Alabama. We know that Bush did work on that campaign and that the approving officer of that transfer thought having a Texas Air National Guard Officer working on a political campaign would be a plus for the Air National Guard. We know that because it's in the record as part of the reason the transfer was granted.

We know that Bush showed up for scheduled Guard meetings because the pay records were found and prove conclusively that Bush was paid what he should have been paid for showing up for meetings.

We know Bush also showed up for an appointment there and was on the base for a meeting of the Guard on that day or weekend.

We know where Bush was, we know what he was doing there and we know Bush fulfilled his military obligation with about 3 times the required units of service to fulfill that obligation.

We know that Bush asked for and received an early release from the last few months of his service and we know why he requested an early release. We know also that since he had more than fulfilled his required units of service there was no reason not to release him from Air National Guard Duty.

We know the high level of skill Bush exhibited flying the aircraft assigned to the Texas Air National Guard. We know that because his fitness reports reflect those kinds of comments by his commanding officer.

We know Bush enrolled at Harvard School of Business immediately following his release from the Air National Guard and we know that was the reason he requested early release and also the reason his request for early release was granted. That reason along with the fact pilots were returning from Vietnam and there were not nearly enough aircraft for all of them to fly. Most were given desk jobs and not flying assignments.

We know that immediately after separation from the Air National Guard, an honorable discharge would have been prepared showing that separation...and that the crux of this fraud you are attempting to perpetrate is that Bush was no longer available for military duty in the strength reports of the Air Force or the Air National Guard...for the simple reason HE WAS DISCHARGED WITH AN HONORABLE DISCHARGE, HAVING FULFILLED HIS MILITARY OBLIGATION TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE AIR NATIONAL GUARD.

We know you expect us to believe the twit you quote as your source is more resourceful than a nation full of reporters...who by the way have their own sources within the very military who would be in a position to know exactly what code PTI 961 means but somehow missed it That Bush hating press who have attempted to find something to hang on Bush for the last 12 years....and they missed that The Bush hating press including Dan Rather...Democrat fundraiser that he is, missed and had to use forged documents in his attempt to bring the President down..the crowning glory of Rather's career. But, your twit found it.

Nice try but your attempted fraudulent presentation of nonsense is childish, still, no cookies and milk for you Mirandee.

posted October 22, 2004 05:23 PM            

We know a panel of officers was convened to make a decision on that discharge that was cut 6 years late. We know that because there was a cover letter with that discharge attesting to the fact a panel of officers was convened for that purpose.

We know that is not the normal course an honorable discharge from the military services takes. We know reference was made to Jimmy Carter...President. We know honorable discharges do not require involvment of the President of the United States.

We know the idiot Jimmy Carter granted amnesty to some military personnel who got into trouble during their military service and all who fled to Canada and elsewhere to avoid military service.

We know that when a dishonorable discharge is forthcoming, the loss of all medals is part of the package.

We know that all of Kerry's medals were restored at the time his officer panel discharge was approved and shortly thereafter, reissued.

posted October 22, 2004 07:31 PM              

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Bush Foresaw No War Casualties, Robertson Recalls
The President was the 'most self-assured man I ever met' during a 2003 encounter, televangelist says.
By Peter Wallsten and Edwin Chen
Times Staff Writers
October 21, 2004

I was trying to say, Mr. President, you better prepare the American people for casualties," Robertson told CNN's Paula Zahn.
Bush said, " 'Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties,' " Robertson related.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/la-na-robertson2 1oct21,0,5102972.story?coll=ny-worldnews-headlines

heres a good comparison timeline of bush and kerry lol

The Zero and The Hero

posted October 22, 2004 09:16 PM              

A lot of Bush's records were destroyed. Why? Why would he have his military records destroyed if he was not hiding something? We know what has been reported in the media and that is all we know. We know what Bush has told us and the trumped up WMD charge on Iraq is proof he lies.

There is a code on all of his papers that have been turned in for inspection. A code that is not the "norm" and it is being investigated. Mainly because the press has not done their job of investigating the meaning of that code.

Why is it that you can so easily believe any thing that is even suggested or speculated about John Kerry's war record but not Bush's? Not that I really have to ask that. I know the answer. Why do you feel it is okay to speculate and accuse John Kerry of "hiding" something but not Bush? Especially when Bush is in the habit of hiding a lot of things from the American press and the American people.

As soon as they get verified documentation of the meaning of PTI961 - the code that appears on all of Bush's documents from the Guard this is going to be released to the media and the public.

John Kerry served, was wounded in combat more than once, received two purple hearts and medals of honor for his service in Vietnam. Bush checked the box saying No to overseas service. In effect, he said No, I will not serve my country in Vietnam. But he has no problem sending others to fight HIS wars and he has no problem with trying to discredit the records of those that did serve in Vietnam. Did you ever consider that the reason he tries to discredit the service of Vietnam vets is because he didn't serve so to place question on their service or demean it boosts his ego? It's like tearing others down so you can feel better about yourself.

Kerry's records have been gone over thoroughly even by the Pentagon, jwhop. The only one who seems concerned with the dates is you. Not the Pentagon or the Navy. Maybe you know more than they do. It has been explained to you too but you refuse to even consider it because of your blind hate for Kerry and Democrats in general.

John Kerry enlisted to serve in the Stand-by Naval Reserves after his discharge from the active Naval Reserves and his Vietnam service ( you know the one Bush refused to serve for?) The year Kerry was discharged coincides with the year he was campaigning for Congress. Not much of a mystery, jwhop to anyone but you and the muckraker conservatives who rejoice in any chance to smear the character of decent people fighting for democracy. Maybe it is because most of those people have sunk so low to the gutter they have to try to drag down everyone else to their level. Just so they can look at themselves in the mirror.

posted October 22, 2004 10:11 PM            

I know you and other leftists don't want to acknowledge the fact that Bush received an honorable discharge with more units of service than required to fulfill his military obligation, while Kerry has a vast problem with his discharge AND the 24 or so missed meetings he skipped while in the Naval Reserve...not to mention the 17 days a year he was to have shown up for more intensive training that he also skipped out on.

You seem to forget, Kerry did not enlist in the Standby Reserves...Inactive. His status was changed BECAUSE he did not reenlist in the Naval Reserves. But Kerry had an obligation to show up for monthly Reserve meetings and the 2 weeks a year additional training required for reserves and he didn't. Those who are weekend warriors..reserves, as Kerry was between 1970 and 1972 have that one weekend a month they are required to show up for....and 2 weeks a year as well, all of which Kerry skipped.

Some things never change Mirandee, Kerry can't seem to show up for work in the Senate either. Neither can Edwards. Call them what you wish, either the Dud Duo or the disappeared.

America needs a full time President Mirandee and not someone who shows up to pick up his paycheck, takes a coffee break and leaves.

I agree Mirandee, eventually the press is going to ask Kerry about that Carter directed discharge, ask him why it was necessary for an officer panel to review his military record before granting a Carter directed honorable discharge and why it was necessary to reissue those medals.

Eventually, someone will get around to asking Kerry why he won't sign a simple DD-180 to release all his military records instead of the ones he selected to show on his website. You know Mirandee, sign that DD-180 just like Bush did and show he has nothing in his military record to hide from the American public.

Petron, that is patently absurd. Besides, I know well that you don't believe a word Robertson says, nor do you believe God talks to Pat Robertson.

The closer we get to the election and the further behind Kerry falls, the more shrill the left gets and the more strident the accusations they spew out.

It's not working, not working with me and not working with the American people.

posted October 22, 2004 11:47 PM              

So were Kerry's records disclosed, gone over, even by the Pentagon, and they also have been shown in the press. All the documents can be accessed at his web site. The Pentagon has no problem with Kerry's records, jwhop. Why do you? In fact most of the American public does not care about his Vietnam record. The proof of that is in the polls.

You offer no valid proof here to support you accusations jwhop.

Please refrain from calling me a leftist. I am neither left nor right. I hang out in the middle. I am not an extremist. Please stop labeling me. I do not appreciate being labeled. In fact, most people don't.

Kerry was showing up in the Senate when Bush was getting drunk and driving his car into shrubbery jwhop.

You keep hammering about the DD180, jwhop. It was the Swift Boat Vets, Bush's paid for front group, who asked Kerry to sign the 180, not the government, not the news media, not anyone credible. It was they he did not sign the DD180 for. So your case about that does not hold water. Why should he sign a DD180 for that group? Would Bush sign a DD180 if Michael Moore asked him to? Same difference. Kerry did sign the 180 for his biographer, Brinkley and by releasing them to a historian he was making it public knowledge. Read his biography by Brinkley jwhop. No one in the media or the government has HAD to ask for a DD-180 from Kerry. He just supplied them with his records. They HAD to demand one and AP had to sue Bush to get that signed. It was Bush, not Kerry who would not sign the 180 for disclosure of his records until he was forced to sign it. Kerry came forth with them when asked. Made them accessable on his web site even. But he does not have to sign any 180 for a group of Bush front men paid by a wealthy contributor of Bush's.

posted October 22, 2004 11:52 PM            

Feel free to post my comment to that effect right here...!

I know you can't respond logically or even reasonably to my previous remarks to you but that's no reason to mischaracterize what I said.

posted October 23, 2004 03:19 PM              

sorry jwhop, i assumed you were still refering to robertson(yes that timeline was quite flattering to kerry lol)

so then you'd say pat is just having hallucinations.....or making stuff up?

lol

posted October 24, 2004 03:13 AM              

Dubya listen up! God is flip-flopping.

posted October 24, 2004 04:17 AM              

quote:

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Dubya listen up! God is flip-flopping.

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OMG Mirandee! He sure must be doing that alright....telling Dubya one thing...and Pat Robertson another....ha ha ha

You are so cool, Mirandee....

Love,
Rainbow