posted October 30, 2004 11:12 AM            

It must be downright embarrassing to have the worlds number one terrorist, bin Laden, spouting exactly the same brain dead drivel that comes off the lips of John Kerry, John Edward's, Algore, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, the brain dead American press, George Soros, MoveOn.org, the Communist Party USA, ANSWER, Workers World Party, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and every other terrorist group in the world.

Wanna bet Kerry and the DNC dispatches a squad of staffers to muzzle bin Laden...the same way they did to shut Teresa Heinz up?

Saturday, Oct. 30, 2004 9:51 a.m. EDT
Bin Laden Adopts Democrat Talking Points

In a remarkable geopolitical meeting of minds, the pre-election address of top global terrorist Osama bin Laden shows he has adopted many of the Democratic Party's talking points.

Transcripts of the address released late Friday reveal such stunning similarities that it's obvious bin Laden has been following the U.S. presidential race very closely - and he agrees on issue after issue with domestic critics of the Bush administration.

• Dem Talking Point No. 1: BUSH STOLE THE 2000 ELECTION
In bin Laden's version, President George H. W. Bush began planning to steal the 2000 election years in advance:

"He was bright in putting his sons as governors in states and he didn't forget to transfer his experience from rulers of our region to Florida to falsify elections to benefit from it in critical times."

• Dem Talking Point No. 2: BUSH MISLED AMERICA

In bin Laden's version, the terror kingpin warns that Bush is covering-up the "true reason" for the 9/11 attacks.

"Although we are ushering the fourth year after 9/11, Bush is still exercising confusion and misleading you and not telling you the true reason. Therefore, the motivations are still there for what happened to be repeated."

• Dem Talking Point No. 3: BUSH WASTED TIME ON 9/11 READING TO CHILDREN

Bin Laden distorts the 9/11 timeline to pretend that the Twin Towers weren't already under attack as Bush read a book to a Florida elementary school class:

"We never knew that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his people in the two towers to face those events by themselves when they were in the most urgent need of their leader. He was more interested in listening to the child's story about the goat rather than worry about what was happening to the towers. So, we had three times the time necessary to accomplish the events."

• Dem Talking Point No. 4: BUSH IS A FACIST

A favorite of radical Democrats, bin Laden compares the Bush administration to the authoritarian regimes in the Mideast.

"What happened was that he was impressed by the monarchies and the military regimes, and he was jealous of them staying in power for tens of years, embezzling the public money without any accountability. And he moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the disguise of fighting terrorism. And Bush, the father, found it good to install his children as governors and leaders."

• Dem Talking Point No. 5: BUSH FAMILY TOO CLOSE TO SAUDI ROYALS

Bin Laden complains that their relationship spans two generations:

"The resemblance started when [former President George H.W.] Bush, the father, visited the area, when some of our own were impressed by America and were hoping that the visits would affect and influence our countries."

• Dem Talking Point No. 6: AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY IS TO BLAME

Here bin Laden adopts the position of the Cynthia McKinney wing of the Democratic Party, which blames the alliance between the U.S. and Israel for provoking the 9/11 attacks:

posted October 30, 2004 02:26 PM            

It is the President's policies bin Laden is warning against, not John Kerry's.

It is an attack or further attacks based on what Bush is actually doing and not what Kerry lies about that he would do if elected that bin Laden is warning against.

If you call killing about 75% of bin Laden's friends and associate terrorist murderers serving the purposes of bin Laden, then perhaps Bush is playing right into bin Laden's hands

Perhaps you think killing bin Laden would also play right into bin Laden's hands But take it from me, intelligence services around the world are monitoring every scrap of communications available to pinpoint his location and if you think bin Laden will live one second longer than it takes Bush to learn his whereabouts and dispatch an appropriate strike on him...then (A) you've got your eyes firmly closed or (B) you're dreaming.

posted October 30, 2004 03:09 PM            

Now, having taken bin Laden's bait, I'm going to vote for George W. Bush!

How about you LS, did bin Laden fool you enough to vote for his buddy George Bush?

Saturday, Oct. 30, 2004 12:01 p.m. EDT
Bin Laden's Real Goal: Boost Flagging al-Qaida

NewsMax.com's Fr. Michael Reilly says that Osama bin Laden's Friday videotape wasn't really aimed at an American audience.

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Most political pundits have so far missed the point of Osama bin Laden's "endorsement" of Sen. John Kerry in his videotaped pre-election message.
The terrorist kingpin was not addressing the American public, but rather the remnants of his al-Qaida organization scattered throughout the world, who haven't been able to strike against America for more than three years.

After his stunning success in disrupting the Spanish election - a move that energized his remaining supporters - bin Laden is desperate to repeat the triumph against the "Great Satan."

But President Bush's domestic war on terror - particularly the Patriot Act - has made another 9/11 far more difficult to pull off.

Unable to launch a Madrid-style attack to disrupt and influence Tuesday's vote, bin Laden was reduced to issuing a Bush-bashing video where he echoes the sentiments of Michael Moore and his Hollywood friends - and gives helpful tips on how the U.S. can avoid "another Manhattan."

The al-Qaida chieftain, however, is politically savvy enough to know that empty threats are unlikely to persuade U.S. voters - and may even help Bush get re-elected.

But radical Islamics around the world will undoubtedly be impressed by his bold attempt to engineer the outcome of America's election.

posted October 30, 2004 03:15 PM            

DUBAI (Oct. 30) - Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden ditched his usual Islamist rhetoric for calculated political language designed to influence next week's U.S. presidential election, Arab analysts said on Saturday.

Bin Laden burst into the U.S. election campaign early on Saturday, issuing his first videotaped message in more than a year to deride President Bush and warn of possible new Sept. 11-style attacks.

His sudden appearance thrust security to the top of the U.S. campaign agenda just three days before voters cast ballots on Nov. 2 in a presidential race polls show to be a dead heat.

Though the election has focused on national security and the war in Iraq, it was unclear if the tape would help Bush by reminding voters of his fight against terror or help opponent John Kerry by reminding them that bin Laden was still at large.

"He is using political rhetoric to convince American public opinion ... that they must exert influence on the next president to take a different approach in his Middle East policies," said Egyptian Islamist lawyer Montasser al-Zayat.

Taunting the man who has vowed to take him "dead or alive" for the past three years, a healthy-looking bin Laden said Bush had failed Americans with his Middle East policies and provoked militant groups such as al Qaeda to strike again.

"It was very directed at Americans in particular, not Arabs. In 2001, he was saying this is a religious war and used a lot of Koranic verses -- here he is talking about a clear a political struggle," Cairo-based analyst Dia Rashwan said.

"He read from a written speech, which is rare for him. He was at a podium, not wandering in mountains. There was no weapon at his side. The content was very political," he said.

SEPT. 11

Bin Laden also talked openly of his reasons behind the Sept. 11 attacks which killed around 3,000 people in U.S. cities in 2001, citing Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon.

"As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust the same way ... to destroy towers in America so that it can taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women," bin Laden said.

Bin Laden said Washington had backed Israel's 1982 invasion, and many Arabs perceive the United States as even more supportive today of the Jewish state than two decades ago.

Yasser al-Sirry, a London-based Islamic activist, said: "For the first time, he explained his reason for the Sept. 11 attacks which he said was the injustice of the current American administration."

Analysts said it was clear from the video that bin Laden, who is thought to be hiding in border areas between Afghanistan and Pakistan, had access to up-to-date media and technology.

"The tape wasn't made by somebody on the run but someone in a safe haven with access to professional equipment," said Mustafa Alani of the Dubai-based Gulf Research Center.

Bin Laden even appeared to have watched U.S. director Michael Moore's film "Fahrenheit 9/11," which shows Bush first hearing news of the Sept. 11 attacks while visiting a school.

Bin Laden said: "It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the American forces would leave 50,000 citizens in the two towers to face those horrors alone at a time when they most needed him."

"He thought listening to a child discussing her goat and its ramming was more important than the planes and their ramming of the skyscrapers,"he added.

Analyst Rashwan said: "He obviously saw Michael Moore's film, and he is clearly able to follow events."

The video, which Al Jazeera said it received at its Islamabad office on Friday, even came replete with an English-language translation for its full 18 minutes. The Arabic broadcaster only aired about five minutes of the tape.

A State Department official said Washington had asked Qatar's government to stop Al Jazeera airing the tape.

A spokesman for the channel said the tape was too newsworthy to ignore, but declined to say what was in the 13 minutes it did not air.

(Additional reporting by Andrew Hammond in Dubai, Tom Perry in Cairo)

10/30/04 09:53 ET

...and what is it in those 13 minutes of the video tape the White House doesn't want to air, I wonder, is it details of the next attack on America, where the terrorist might strike at us next just to manipulate the elections? Maybe to further support this pseudo-"War on terror", that doesn't ever seem like it's doing too well at all anyway?!

posted October 30, 2004 04:53 PM              

I don't want to vote for Kerry. Not in my heart. There are too many things that I disagree with him about. I disagree with things of a much grander scheme with Bush. I believe Bush is a greater danger to this country than Kerry.

You know who I'd be voting for if I had the balls. Unfortunately, my candidate has been pigeon-holed into this silly idealist that couldn't get anything done because he's so old and goofy.

posted October 30, 2004 06:29 PM              

The government’s candidate - Mariano Rajoy- lost the election because he and his party were manipulating information, trying to capitalize on the 200 deaths.

"We don't see things as they are...we see things as we are".
-Anais Nin

posted October 30, 2004 06:45 PM            

We won't be easily moved by anything that any terrorist says or does, bin Laden and his group of radicals will be brought to justice, whether he comes willingly or kickin' and screaming in front of a trial or in front of God himself and we will get to the bottom of whether or not the officials of this government had utterly ANYTHING to do or cause 9/11 to finally happen to American, that still echos within us of pain, fear and sadness!

posted October 30, 2004 06:48 PM              

Y'know, what if you're wrong? Ever.... considered the possibility?

When you get to Heaven and find out that you are wrong, God will laugh at you.

But I digress....

Simple as this: bin Laden wants us to believe that it doesn't matter who we vote for, so he can throw off the election. But it does matter, very much.

JWhop, what you demonstrate is a *basic lack of understanding* of the way politics works, or even human psychology.

A good rule of thumb is, if it works on little kids, it'll work on the population in general (unless you have a very well-educated and highly literate population that has suffered terrible tribulation in the last 50 years or so)

Simple. He is hoping (in vain) that if we dislike him, we are in a "NO!" phase against him. Whatever he says, we say the opposite. For example, if bin Laden said, "You want that tempting milk and cookie," it would be safe to assume it was poisoned, and we would say, "NO!"

Bin Laden can use this psychology to his advantage.

He knows America. He's lived here. He knows we are patriotic and love America as much as he hates it. He knows none of us have forgotten 9/11.

All he needs to do is get us angry at him, simply by showing his ugly face. Then, whatever he says, we will do the opposite.

All for his good pal, George W. Bush.

Yeah, for oil, JWhop. This is oil planet, and two of the richest families on Earth, the Bush (Buesch) family and the bin Laden family, want to divide it between themselves.

Didya know Saudi Arabia, where bin Laden is from, controls 18% of the land in America? Hmm, JWhop?

The Bushes and the bin Ladens have been photographed together on many occasions. The two families are best friends, and inseparable.

Bush is a man without conscience who worships 50-foot-tall idols from the Middle East that demand human sacrifices. No question about that.

So, who you gonna vote for? Kush or Berry?

I'd have to be pretty stupid to vote for the man who started this war, that's all I have to say.

Both are Yale graduates. Both are members of skull and bones. Kerry has promised to accelerate the war in Iraq. No matter what either of the two men do, with only a few exceptions, it will be about the same.

Now, JWhop, I am basing my vote on those exceptions. Nothing more, nothing less. And I expect a lot of other people will be, too.

JWhop, Kerry is the farthest thing from a Marxist. He might as well be Bush's clone. Hard for you to take it, I know, but you might as well swallow the concept now. Bush himself doesn't stand for or believe in anything. He just pretends to, but he laughs at the plight of ordinary men and women in one debate, storms through another like a little Nazi, and grimaces his way through yet another.

I am so glad the guy drank so heavily in his college days. Think what he would do if he weren't severely brain-damaged.

posted October 30, 2004 07:16 PM              

World leaders and the UN will talk to Kerry and hopefully he can mend the huge riff that Bush put between this country and the world. Then a united world can stand against the terrorists and bin Laden and that is what bin Laden fears. Bush's tough talk and cowboy act and his war do not scare these people. They have been at war for over 2000 years.

Osama knows both Bush senior and Bush junior well, better than we do in fact because they only lied to us. He knows what they are all about which is power and wealth.

We will never have peace against terrorists and the Middle East unless our government changes it's Mid East polices and is more fair and just in it's treatment of the Arabic peoples. Could be what bin Laden meant when he said it is up to us, the American people. Only thing is, bin Laden might not be fully aware that America is no longer a democracy after 4 years of Dubya. The people no longer have a say because our president does not listen to the wants and needs of the American people. The only time he even acknowledges we exist is when he wants our votes. He has never addressed the American people via TV as Jimmy Carter and other presidents have done. Except when there is an emergency like war or 9/11. Then after he tells us how it is going to be he doesn't care to hear any dissent. Not even from his staff or the generals in charge.

We definitely need to send Bush back to Texas where he only killed people on a small scale by leathel injection. More executions in that state under his leadership than any state that has capital punishment. Not surprising he is the only president in the history of this country to ever use the presidential right to pre-emptive strike against another nation. However that right states if it is certain the U.S. would be attacked. It was not even certain if Iraq had WMD's or anything at all to do with bin Laden.

posted October 30, 2004 07:32 PM            

Sure cannot be Earth!

Since there no doubt Bush worships 50 foot tall idols, you must have been there...seen that Sounds like you got into some of the good stuff.

Hate to break this to you laff, but I've been in sales all my life, so I understand the psychology of Americans very well.

Your problem is in thinking I'm trying to convert anyone here to a Bush voter Maybe you should stop looking for reasons to buy...because I'm not selling.

John Kerry is Marxist to the core. Why don't you go over and answer my poll questions at:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000765.html

Oh dear, Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were photographed with Joseph Stalin. Guess you know what that means, eh laff?

posted October 30, 2004 07:46 PM              

America will prevail if the common sense prevail in this election.

"The America" that the world always respected and follow, that the world "saw" as a model, is at this time in a great test.

If the Americans give four more years to Bush, they will be giving backrest to this unilateral politic, that divided your country and transformed allies in enemies.

Nobody had respect for the old Soviet Union, today Russia.
In its good times the old Soviet Union was never admired or respected... why?
Because it didn't respect the rest of the world, because it didn't respect the human rights, because they invaded countries, because they wanted that the rest of the world to swallow their philosophy - or the lack of it - .

America, to the contradict, even that sometimes in a mistaken way, always
respected and believed in the human rights.

Today, this president is destroying everything that was built with so much sacrifice by your ancestral...

This invasion to Iraq, that in the beginning was a shameful demonstration of force, today is an undeniable display of incapacity and incompetence.
Guantanamo is nothing else than a shameful stain in the American history.

posted October 30, 2004 07:47 PM              

If Bush is photographed with bin Ladens at a trade summit, or in a meeting for an oil company they share common stock in, where's the fire?

And, if you've been into sales all your life, don't give me that, that you're not selling. Sales people are always trying to sell one thing or another

Kerry a Marxist? No sale. Don't buy it. He and Bush are cut from the same cloth.

posted October 30, 2004 07:49 PM              

If to be from right, left, or center was relevant today, Blair would never give support to Bush, since his Labor party is the equivalent of the Democratic party in England.

The WALL fall fifteen years ago, why some people don't stop trying to rebuild it?

posted October 30, 2004 08:25 PM              

And, Jacqueline, the Labor Party in England is the Socialist Party. There are scores of Socialists in Parliament who identify as Labor.

If Bush, Cheney and cronies support Blair witch, what does that say about Bush/Cheney? Left of center?

Here is a cool movie:
http://www.ericblumrich.com/brits.html

posted October 30, 2004 10:07 PM            

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Uh, I'm guessing it means, JWhop... that there was a World War going on?

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Name the oil company Bush and the bin Laden's both own stock in?

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If Bush is photographed with bin Ladens at a trade summit, or in a meeting for an oil company they share common stock in, where's the fire?

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Sales is work and I'm good at it. Don't confuse business with pleasure laff. One of my most favorite things is rubbing liberal's noses in their own irrationality and hypocrisy.

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Are we ever going to get to a subject you know anything about laff? Kerry is for every expansion of government control over the individual and business that ever came down the pike. Kerry is actually to the left of Karl Marx. I know you're young and naive laff but no one could be that naive. On the other hand, Bush has cut taxes, cut business regulation, cut taxes on investment, eliminated the inheritance tax, and the marriage penalty, is for individual liberty and is for Americans owning a piece of the action that is America. Under Bush home ownership is at an all time high, including minority home ownership. Bush is for everything Kerry is against.

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Kerry a Marxist? No sale. Don't buy it. He and Bush are cut from the same cloth.laff []

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So laff, you will only fight for the right to kill babies. You will not fight to protect others, you will not fight to secure your country, you will not fight even to protect your own children...if you had any, you will not fight to protect the rights of others............That's a pretty short list of things you would fight for.

Into the military with you laff, shave that hair off, learn some discipline, order and respect for your countryment/women, learn how to say yes sir, no sir, how to salute your superiors and how to give allegiance to your own country instead of the finger.

posted October 30, 2004 10:56 PM              

You are so-o-o-o-o stupid. When will the stupidity ever end?

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You guess wrong laff, the war was over. Want to try a subject you don't have to guess about?

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I wonder if you have ever seriously picked up a history book, jwhop.... Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill met several times, before, during and after the war, including a few weeks before President Roosevelt's death.

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Name the oil company Bush and the bin Laden's both own stock in?

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Simple. Arbusto, Bush own oil company (it means SHRUB in Spanish)
http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html

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Sales is work and I'm good at it. Don't

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I would tend to disagree, jwhop. You couldn't even sell a history book. I, on the other hand, am a consummate saleswoman.

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confuse business with pleasure laff. One of my most favorite things is rubbing liberal's noses

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WHOA, don't even go there, jwhop. I should've suspected you were a sadist.

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Kerry is actually to the left of Karl Marx. I know you're young and naive laff but no one could be that naive.

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Except you.

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On the other hand, Bush has cut taxes, cut business regulation, cut taxes

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For millionaires, millionaires, and hmm, am I forgetting anything, jwhop? Oh, yeah! More millionaires!

Ask me if I care about multi-millionaires, jwhop. I say, off with their heads!

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Again, only effects millionaires.

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Yeah, that's why the Patriot Act is essential.

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Americans owning a piece of the action that is America. Under Bush home ownership is at an all time high, including

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Show me the proof that home ownership is up, jwhop. Unless, of course, it is "holding companies", such as Wells Fargo, that own the houses. (They're an American company!)

I don't own a house, but I sure would like one. Unfortunately, earning minimum wage, I would have to work for a thousand years to own one outright.

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Bush is for everything Kerry is against.

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You are so sadly ignorant, jwhop, that you have no idea what Kerry is for, and you don't know what Bush is for, either.

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Into the military with you laff, shave that hair off, learn some discipline, order and

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Just like G.I. Jane!

Sounds good to me. When are you leaving?

posted October 31, 2004 12:22 AM            

Is that where you get the rest of the tripe you post? Surely you can do better than that as sources to denounce the President and the Bush family. Hey, they heard it through the grapevine. Someone said that someone said, that someone said. And now, you bring it straight to us as fact

Don't look now laff but you're beginning to show your true self. Let's see, you're just a downtrodden abject failure because powerful business interests are holding you down...and back. It seems more likely to me your teachers should have held you back laff because you didn't manage to learn much from your educational experience.

For someone like you to call me stupid is a compliment laff and I thank you for it.

BTW, is the United States and Corporate America really The Synagogue of Satan as the ad for a book on the American Free Press website suggests?

You know laff, the more you post, the more obvious your radicalism becomes.

I'm not at all surprised you seem to have cast your lot with the rest of the America hating radical leftists.

John Kerry is a Marxist laff. His voting record in the Senate is proof he is strongly in support of every bill that empowers government and more control over business and individuals. Something you seem to be strongly in favor of as well...oh, in favor of, except for more control over yourself.

Is it true ignorance is bliss?