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Topic: GEORGE W. BUSH WINS!!
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StarLover33
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posted November 03, 2004 02:44 PM
 
 John F. Kerry concedes and it is over. George W. Bush also won the popular vote. -StarLover IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted November 03, 2004 02:55 PM
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Lost Leo
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posted November 03, 2004 02:57 PM
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StarLover33
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posted November 03, 2004 02:59 PM
People at my high school were extremely upset, a teacher of mine was preaching and telling kids to get ready for a DRAFT.  It really got people scared. Okay, I even got scared.-StarLover IP: Logged |
scorpbaby
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posted November 03, 2004 02:59 PM
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angel_of_hope
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posted November 03, 2004 03:42 PM
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Everlong
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posted November 03, 2004 06:11 PM
*Watches as the country's dignity flies out the window*.Get ready for a long f*cking four years. IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted November 03, 2004 06:32 PM
StarLover - I really don't mean this to sound as harsh as I think it may turn out, but if a draft happens, it happens - there are consequences to actions, including actions taken in other countries.
There's no way to occupy a country (or countries) with a smaller, faster military - you need boots on the ground. And regardless of whatever info may be floating around, I've seen the Army desperate to retain and recruit people for the future. Militaries can't run on the patriotic sentiments of civilians. As Americans, we're at least partly responsible and accountable for the actions of our government, like it or lump it. If you don't like that there may need to be a draft to maintain all of our commitments, do something about it. IP: Logged |
quiksilver
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posted November 03, 2004 08:49 PM
Proxieme-I hear you and it's the unfortunate reality. Meanwhile, congratulations to the President and long live Democracy! IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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posted November 03, 2004 08:54 PM
quicksilver
Rather, long live the Republic!Starlover
As an adamant supporter of Pres. Bush I find it highly amusing that you are "scared" of joining the military/being drafted to fight the war he brought us into. Keeping a country safe takes more than "patriotic" words ... it takes action. Put your action were your mouth is, join the military, and prove that you really do support your country and the President in this war. ------------------
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ozonefiller
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posted November 03, 2004 08:56 PM
Hey Eleanore, "CHICKENHAWK DOWN"! 
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LibraSparkle
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posted November 03, 2004 09:08 PM
Hi StarLover,I think Eleanore has a very good point. How do you defend supporting Bush and this war openly but holding strong to the belief that *you* shouldn't have to fight it? The majority of the people fighting this war are near your age group. It's not unreasonable to support the war openly and fight it. The people over there are showing their support for the war by being there. They are doing something about it. I can understand their vehement support, how do you justify yours? I'm certainly not lashing out at you. I respect your ability to be a gracious winner, and I congratulate you. It would make me sad to find out that you had been shipped over there. I wouldn't wish that on anyone... in support of the war, or not  I just felt Eleanore's question was valid, and wanted to express that I'm also interested in your response. IP: Logged |
quiksilver
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posted November 03, 2004 09:20 PM
Hi Eleanore-
I understand your disappointment but the people have spoken and those who have voted favored Bush. It was a democratic election and that is why I say "Long live Demmocracy!" We have the freedom to choose our leaders as opposed to just being forced to deal with them being in power until their demise, upon which an heir to the throne is named and HE stays in power until HIS demise, and so on and so forth. It could be a lot worse....IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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posted November 03, 2004 10:01 PM
I understood your post. I was just expressing my desire for our Republic to live long and prosper, since, after all, America is a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy. What a horror that would be.  It would be on par, in my eyes, with the other option you describe.------------------
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Randall
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posted November 04, 2004 12:07 AM
We have a voluntary military, and everyone who joined knew the risks. Star can support what the US is doing and still have plans for her future that does not include military service. I support what the police and fire departments do to protect us, but I do not wish to become employed by either. ------------------
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LibraSparkle
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posted November 04, 2004 01:12 AM
No one suggested she couldn't plan for anything other than the military. I would simply like to hear an explanation as to why it's okay to be against personally going to a war, but be for the same war.The military is running low on people to fight this war. It only seems logical that those who supported it from the beginning would be willing to fight it. Randall, you're talking about apples and oranges. IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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posted November 04, 2004 03:30 AM
Randall
The police and firefighters are not fighting over in Iraq, unless they're members of the military. I agree with LibraSparkle. If you support the war why not fight it? You want to mouth off about unpatriotic people and people who don't support America because they are against the war ... and yet you are not willing to get involved and fight for it either? (You, as in, generally speaking.) I'm sorry that reeks of hypocrisy. If the people who support the war aren't willing to fight it then why should anybody else be? And the military is under strain already and really does need more volunteers ... if the people who support this war volunteer then a draft may be avoided quite easily. It's just the logical conclusion, that's all. There are plenty of people against the war who will not volunteer to fight it ... why should those who support it not volunteer?
Personally, I'm not about to start labelling people as un-Patriotic or un-American for their choices, there are enough people spreading that kind of intolerant view anyway, but I am quite curious as to why the idea of fighting a war you support, under the command of a President that you trust and support, would be anything but commendable ... and it certainly should not something to be afraid of. I thought the popular conservative opinion was that there are things worth fighting and dying for and that this war was definitely one of them. So what's the problem? It's not like joining the service is a life-long committment ... you can certainly have another career afterwards. Nor is every position in the military a combat position. So what's the excuse? I'd just really like to know.------------------
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Everlong
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posted November 04, 2004 04:08 AM
Heh, Starlover, I can relate, EVERYONE at my school had the draft on their minds. From the minute I got on my bus. "Frenchie, you better keep that passport!" was one comment I heard, made me laugh =). Then a very, very overbearing Liberal in my Psych class (debate club kid, of course) related all answers that had nothing to do with politics to "Well, we're all going to DIE, because of the DRAFT!" Aw, I loff him, but he can get a wee bit too Liberal-happy sometimes.Although I agree with LS and Eleanore. IP: Logged |
Ra
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posted November 04, 2004 04:48 AM
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StarLover33
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posted November 04, 2004 09:22 AM
Oh please,  If I was a man, strong, lean, muscular, and very handsome I might add, I would probably go to the military and fight this war. But alas, I am not any of those characteristics, and when it comes to my own life and safety, it comes first. Why would any military want to put me in the front line? Why would the military want a 97lbs girl who couldn't even lift her own wieght? Honestly, I would go to the military only to support the soldiers who have to fight in the front lines. I would sign up as a nurse or an aid to take care of those men any day. Yet, the military doesn't need me to do that. And for me to fight it, why? That would be stupid, it is a voluntary army, and they knew the risks, I know the risks too, and I'm not joining to fight in the front lines because I know I could not handle it like those strong brave men out there. I support the soldiers who chose to fight. If there was a GREAT NEED, I would join as a nurse and take great care of those men. I'm a Pisces after all. Besides, I have way too many plans, I have to go to college, and then Law School. *Yes, I changed my mind again.*  -StarLover IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted November 04, 2004 09:23 AM
Randall - That's true, they did/do "know the risks", and most would more than willingly fight and die for their country...
but, voluntary or not, their deployment rate is really starting to grind on some.And most are not complaining, or are only doing so in a cursory manner.
They love their country, and - despite whatever machinations go on in DC - they are there for the American people and to help those in need. That being said, no matter how completely a loyal dog loves its master, you can only beat it so long and hard before it drops dead.
People - very many, in fact, especially in the Nat'l Gaurd and Reserve - are rumbling about getting out. Not because they don't love their country, but because the current OpTempo with the troops on hand is rending their families.
Rumsfeld and Schumacher's dreams, it is not physically possible to maintain a ground presence with a Special Forces and air power. If you want the Army to do what this Administration wishes of it, it needs soldiers - and they're going to have to come from somewhere. IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted November 04, 2004 09:27 AM
StarLover - I joined after graduating from high school with honors, and I'm a Pisces Female.
And I wasn't frontline - I was to be combat support before my injury. After exhaustive testing and interviews ad nauseum, I got slotted for MI/SigInt...you don't need gobs of muscles to translate and interpret foriegn electronic signals.It's admirable that if there was a great need you'd join as combat support or combat service support.
Because, geezus, incredibly frustrating to hear people beat the drums of war so that others may fight and die. IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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posted November 04, 2004 09:32 AM
Proxieme,YES, If they desperately needed me I would join for a supportive job, but god don't throw me in the front lines. That would be stupid all around. Do you know what I mean?  One should do what they know they're capable of. -StarLover IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted November 04, 2004 09:54 AM
The idea that only people, including members of a volunteer military should ship out to fight wars they approve of is ludicrous on it's face.Equally ludicrous is the idea that those who support a particular war should go there and personally fight it. It is a nice talking point for those who oppose "a" war or who say they are opposed to all war under any circumstances. Unfortunately for most of those who say they are opposed to all war, their mask was ripped off when they didn't make the same complaints when Clinton bombed Bosnia for 78 straight days and sent military forces there to fight, military forces who are still there, by the way. From this strange set of circumstances, one must conclude those who say they are anti war are very selective about which war they are against and it appears their opposition is political and not a deeply held conviction, as they would have everyone believe. IP: Logged |
proxieme
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posted November 04, 2004 10:48 AM
StarLover - Yep, it's definitely a good thing when people have an idea of their strengths and weaknesses. And if you were to join (which I'm not saying you should run out and do - it's not for everyone, and I'm not advocating such - and you'd likely be much better off in the long run pursuing college), you'd be able to pick your specialty if enlisted (though officers are generally placed acc'd to the needs of the Army).But don't worry too much - even if a draft were instated that included females, at this point in time women aren't placed in combat MOSs (infantry, artillary, etc)...though, to be fair, many combat support personnel do end-up in the midst of it with an increasingly fluid battlefield. I think I just veered waaaay off on a tangent. *goes to bring neighbors some of the homemade ice cream we whipped up last night* IP: Logged | |
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