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proxieme
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posted November 15, 2004 09:58 AM
 
Colin Powell tendered his resignation on Friday, and it's apparently going to come out today.He's a good man, I hold him in high regard, and it's sad to see him go. IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted November 15, 2004 11:02 AM
My sentiments exactly, Proxieme....He was the one isle of sanity in that whole crazy bunch...(IMHO) Love,
Rainbow
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iAmThat
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posted November 15, 2004 12:39 PM
I am sure lot of people voted for R because of him. This president then goes to shuffle the cabinet saying it happens.IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle
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posted November 15, 2004 01:00 PM
I like Colin Powell ... kinda felt like he may have been our saving grace.  IP: Logged |
Mirandee
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posted November 15, 2004 01:06 PM
Truth is Colin Powell is being dumped because Cheney doesn't like him. Colin Powell was against the Iraq War. He told Bob Woodward that the Iraq war happened because, "Cheney has a fever." Cheney wanted to go in during the Gulf War and take out Hussein but Bush's dad would not do that fearing it would destablize the Middle East. Powell told President Bush he would stand with him in the Iraq War but he told him, "You know you will own it." From that day forward Colin Powell has never spoken a word to Cheney. He feels that Cheney gave Bush very bad advice just to achieve his own agenda. And he is right. I used to like Colin Powell a lot too. But he sold out America by participating in the lies and deception for partisan reasons. I think he is good man at heart but he put partisanship before Democracy. He was as Rainbow said, the only sane man in the whole bunch. But obviously his sanity had no effect on the rest of them anyway. IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted November 15, 2004 02:57 PM
America is not a Democracy! Never was a Democracy.Colin Powell was not fired. He has considered leaving for some time and this is the best time...between administrations as others who have served well and want to move on to other things are doing. Neither is there anything unusual for changes in the Cabinet between the 1st and 2nd administrations of the same President with 4 more years ahead.  Yet another out of focus whine from the left. IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted November 16, 2004 12:16 AM
Powell - A Dove Among Hawks
By Simon Jeffery
The Guardian - UK
11-15-4
It was a remark at a party recounted in a magazine, but for all its apparent lack of substance it best seemed to sum up Colin Powell's position in the Bush administration. A foreign diplomat encountered the secretary of state on the eve of the Iraq war and recited a news report that the president was sleeping like a baby. Mr Powell reportedly replied: "I'm sleeping like a baby, too. Every two hours, I wake up, screaming."
A dove against the hawks, he was pitted against the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, in the run-up to the Iraq war. He was sidelined when his attempt to build a UN coalition failed and saw the war go ahead regardless.
From that point, the Pentagon and the state department were on opposite sides of the major split in the first Bush administration. Mr Powell officially denied the rumours, insisting he believed the US had been right to use force in Iraq, but his disaffection was an open secret.
It was fanned by further off-the-cuff comments. The publication of BBC broadcaster James Naughtie's book on Tony Blair's relations with the Bush administration was trailed by the allegation that Mr Powell told Jack Straw that Washington neo-conservatives including Mr Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz, Mr Rumsfeld's deputy, were "******* crazies".
It was far removed from the relations he enjoyed in his earlier career, or with his counterparts worldwide.
In his 35 years as a professional soldier, the Pentagon had never caused him such problems. He took the US-led coalition to victory in the 1991 Gulf war and was then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - the highest military position in the US. Mr Powell had also served as Ronald Reagan's national security adviser and, when he left the military in 1993, became a popular retired general.
It was only out of respect for the concerns of his wife, Alma - who feared he would be attacked or shot - that Mr Powell announced he would not be seeking the 1996 Republican presidential nomination. If he had, and then gone on to win the White House, the son of Jamaican immigrants would have been the US's first black president.
He will instead perhaps be best remembered for arguing in front of the UN security council in February 2003 that Saddam Hussein had to be removed because he possessed weapons of mass destruction. His time as secretary of state, one of the highest political offices in the US, was dominated by the war in Iraq.
As much as it was not a war of his choosing, it was not fought the way he would have fought it. The Powell doctrine for military engagement stated that the US should only send its troops into battle when there was a clear national interest, an exit strategy and they could be deployed in overwhelming numbers.
Mr Rumsfeld did not see it this way. He wanted the Iraq war to be a demonstration of his belief that a light, manoeuvrable force would be sufficient. That was enough to oust Saddam, but not enough to ensure post-invasion stability. The Pentagon's political leadership did not want to deal with the Powell doctrine, or the man whose name it bore.
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1351934,00.html
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Motherkonfessor
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posted November 16, 2004 01:12 AM
Yet another out of focus whine from the left.
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Is this really necessary?is it possible for you to make a statement, jwhop, without resorting to this? or are you the type of person whose ego can only be bolstered by degrading another? MK IP: Logged |
Mirandee
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posted November 16, 2004 02:07 AM
Yes he is MK
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proxieme
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posted November 16, 2004 07:24 AM
I thought this an interesting summary: Everybody leads with the resignation by Secretary of State Powell and choice of national security advisor Condoleezza Rice to fill his spot Likely taking Rice's place, birdies tell the papers, will be her deputy, Stephen Hadley. There were three other resignations: Education Secretary Roderick Paige, Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman, and Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham. While most of the papers simply cite Powell's contention that his leaving was mutual, the Washington Post goes for a bit more backstory. Citing a PWKOTS ("person with knowledge of the situation"), the paper says Powell planned to resign a few months ago, but apparently "had second thoughts and had prepared a list of conditions under which he would be willing to stay. They included greater engagement with Iran and a harder line with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon." The paper says Powell "was not asked to stay" and apparently the list went in the trash, un-presented (except to the Post, of course). One "government official" told the Post, "The decision was made to keep Rumsfeld and drop Powell because if they would have kept Powell and let [Rumsfeld] go, that would have been tantamount to an acknowledgment of failure in Iraq and our policies there. Powell is the expendable one." The papers portray Rice as more than anything, tight with Bush. "Extremely loyal to the president's views," says the Wall Street Journal. "Extraordinarily close," says the Post, which adds right at the top of its assessment, "paradoxically, many experts consider her one of the weakest national security advisers in recent history in terms of managing interagency conflicts." (Slate's Fred Kaplan seconds that.) The New York Times' lead seems to doubt the image of Condi as a brown-noser: "The reality is that their lengthy private talks have served as an incubator for the administration's foreign policy." Another Times piece says Rice is closer to her boss "any cabinet officer since Robert F. Kennedy served as his brother's attorney." The Post notices a pattern, saying at least three of the cabinet posts will be filled by people already in the White House. The goal, as one "Bush aide" put it, is to create a Cabinet "that clearly takes a team approach." The papers suggest Hadley is also known for his fealty. The Journal adds he has been close with Vice Prez Cheney for years. And though none of the papers seem to touch it, Hadley is the seemingly absentminded White House official who said he forgot to warn the president that the CIA didn't think buy reports that Saddam had sought uranium from Nigeria. "I should have recalled that there was controversy associated with the uranium issue," Hadley told the Post last year. A frontpage analysis in the Post calls the Powell-related changes a "triumph of hard-edged approach to diplomacy." The Post says Powell had been chatting with Bush for six months about the need for a "new team." The piece's headline: "MOVES CEMENT HARD-LINE STANCE ON FOREIGN POLICY." IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted November 16, 2004 09:22 AM
Yes, it is necessary to point out that Liberals have developed whining into an art form.When every article, every post of liberals here is an off point rant about the President or his administration. An attempt to connect dots that don't connect in an attempt to push forth the favorite conspiracy theory of the day. Or when an attempt to show some Presidential deficiency, in this case, by who resigned from his Administration...or who was fired then it's necessary to point out the truth. Here's some truth for you. There were 8 changes in high level personnel in the Clinton Administration between the first and second term...or near that time period. You on the left, must have been beside yourselves that all those people were jumping ship. You were all beside yourselves, weren't you? It was a really big deal and worthy of comment, wasn't it? Colin Powell never intended to serve more than one term of the Bush Administration, in spite of what some of the airheads in the press are saying....citing anonymous sources, and Powell said so, repeatedly. IP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted November 16, 2004 11:00 AM
Hi jwhop!  Welcome back! Love,
Rainbow
PS You and Colin are "good buds," huh?
Good way to get your first hand information. IP: Logged |
iAmThat
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posted November 16, 2004 12:39 PM
Rice is a good political scientist. Looks like this will be very interesting replacement for Powell. Wonder if Bush is trying to be more pro-active on his war on terrorism. Time would tell.Wow feels like a chess game is about to begin and the pieces of the chessboard are eagle, the prostitute, the beloved, etc.... IP: Logged |
iAmThat
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posted November 18, 2004 01:00 AM
Powell says :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6516658/ IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 18, 2004 11:38 AM
Interesting post, proxieme. Sounds to me like they are closing ranks and circling the wagons. I wonder why.IP: Logged |
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posted January 20, 2005 04:27 PM
POOR MAN I DON'T BLAME HIM FOR NOT WANTING TO WORK WITH A BABY KILLER AND NOT TO MENTION A REAL AIR HEAD :/------------------
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