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Mirandee
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posted November 16, 2004 12:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is
Fascism?
By Laura Dawn Lewis


http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

This may surprise most educated people. One of the more common government strategies today, especially in developing regions is fascism. Fascism is commonly confused with Nazism. Nazism is a political party platform that embraces a combination of a military dictatorship, socialism and fascism. It is not a government structure. Fascism is a government structure. The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.

Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.

More than a class system, fascism specifically targets, dehumanizes and aims to destroy those it deems undesirable.

Until the Civil Rights act of 1964, many parts of the US were Republic for whites and could be considered fascist for non-Caucasian residents. Fascism promotes legal segregation in housing, national resource allocation and employment. It provides legal justification for persecuting a specific segment of the population and operates behind a two tiered legal system. These two tiers can be overt as it was within Nazi Germany where Jews, Homosexuals, Catholics, Communists, Clergy and the handicap were held to one set of rules and courts, while the rest of Germany enjoyed different laws.

Or it can be implied and held up by consensual conspiracy, (people know it is wrong but do nothing to stop it or change it. Through lack of action, they give consent), as it was in the deep South for African Americans and others of color. In Fascism, one segment of society is always considered less desirable, sub-human or second class.

(Note: no single government is pure anything. Most have elements of several structures with one dominant structure). Below is the political definition and general characteristics of a fascist country.

general characteristics
of a fascist country:

1. Fascism is commonly defined as an open terror-based dictatorship which is:

Reactionary: makes policy based upon current circumstances rather than creating policies to prevent problems; piles lies and misnomers on top of more lies until the truth becomes indistinguishable, revised or forgotten.
Chauvinistic: Two or more tiered legal systems, varying rights based upon superficial characteristics such as race, creed and origin.
Imperialist elements of finance capital: Extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political domination of one state over its allies.
Though a dictatorship is the most common association with fascism, a democracy or republic can also be fascist when it strays away from its tenants of sovereignty. In the 20th Century, many Fascist countries started out as republics. Through the use of fear, societies gave up their rights under the guise of security. Ultimately these republics morphed into Fascist states.

2. Fascism is an extreme measure taken by the middle classes to forestall lower-working class revolution; it thrives on the weakness of the middle classes. It accomplishes this by embracing the middle-class' love of the status-quo, its complacency and its fears of:

Generating a united struggle within the working class

Revolution

Losing its own power and position within society

In a more simplistic term the people currently in control fear that if they allow equal rights and equal consideration to those being oppressed, they will become oppressed and lose everything. Generally those in power are of a smaller segment of society, but they hold the wealth and control of key systems like manufacturing, law, finance and government position, (i.e. the slave owners in the south prior to the civil war) and the oppressed vastly outnumber them, (the slaves during the same period).

In reality it is the oppressors' fear of retribution by the oppressed that perpetuates fascism; for justification they dehumanize, demonize, strip them of rights, add new laws, restrict movement and attempt to control them by whatever means possible to prevent an uprising. It is very common in a fascist system to have the oppressed referred to as sub-human, animals, terrorists, savages, barbarians, vermin or any other term designed to create justification for the acts of terror and fascism perpetrated on the oppressed. Via dehumanization society can then accept that the oppressed are incapable of thinking or acting in a peaceful manner or taking care of themselves, and thus society is exonerated from culpability in their own minds. Propaganda, not persuasion, logic or law, is the tool of fascism, though at times very difficult to spot. It specifically rides the fact that negative behavior is innate, (born with) rather than a logical behavior in response to oppression. Propaganda also empowers the oppressors with elitism racially, socially, intellectually and/or spiritually.

The 7 conditions (Warning signs)
that foster & fuel fascism are:

Instability of capitalist relationships or markets

The existence of considerable declassed social elements

The stripping of rights and wealth focused upon a specific segment of the population, specifically the middle class and intellectuals within urban areas as this the group with the means, intelligence and ability to stop fascism if given the opportunity.

Discontent among the rural lower middle class (clerks, secretaries, white collar labor). Consistent discontent among the general middle and lower middle classes against the oppressing upper-classes (haves vs have-nots).

Hate: Pronounced, perpetuated and accepted public disdain of a specific group defined by race, origin, theology or association.

Greed: The motivator of fascism, which is generally associated with land, space or scarce resources in the possession of those being oppressed.

Organized Propaganda:

a) The creation of social mythology that venerates (creates saints of) one element of society while concurrently vilifying (dehumanizing) another element of the population through misinformation, misdirection and the obscuring of factual matter through removal, destruction or social humiliation, (name-calling, false accusations, belittling and threats).

b) The squelching of public debate not agreeing with the popular agenda via slander, libel, threats, theft, destruction, historical revisionism and social humiliation. Journalists in particular are terrorized if they attempt to publish stories contrary to the agenda.

3. Fascism dovetails business & government sectors into a single economic unit, while concurrently increasing in-fighting and distrust between the units fostering advancement towards war.

4. a) Fascism promotes chauvinist demagogy, (appealing to the prejudices and emotions of the populace) by fostering selective persecution and accepted public vilification of the target group. It then promotes this a "patriotic", "supportive" or "the party line" and disagreement with such as "anti-government", "anti-faith" or "anti-nation".

b) Fascism creates confusion through "facts". It relies on junk science, revisionism, the elimination of cultural records/treasures and obfuscations to create its case and gain acceptance. Fascism can also combine Marxist critiques of capitalism or faith based critics of the same to re-define middle class perceptions of democracy and to force its issues, confuse logic and create majority consensus between targeted groups. This is also referred to as creating a state of Cognitive Dissonance, the mental state most human beings are easily manipulated within.

5. Both middle and upper-middle-class dictated democracy and fascism are class dictatorships that use organized violence (verbal or physical) to maintain the class rule of the oppressors over the oppressed.

The difference between the two is demonstrated by the policies towards non-lower-working class classes. Fascism attains power through the substitution of one state's form of class domination with another form, generally a middle class based republic segues into an open terrorist dictatorship, run by a few elite

The 14 Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
by Dr. Lawrence Britt

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14-defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for
the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats
as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

An interesting note to end this article: As of January 2004, the United States fulfills all fourteen points of fascism and all seven warning signs are present. But we're not alone. Israel also fulfills all fourteen points and all seven warning signs as well. Welcome to the new republic, redefined, revised and spun. It is not too late to reverse this in either country, but it will be soon. The first step is realizing it. The second step is getting involved. As the propaganda slogan disguising our current war goes, "Freedom isn't free." But our war for freedom isn't abroad, it's here at home.

What is a Theocracy?

Theocracy:

A government which claims to be immediately directed by God, and divinely blessed. The country tends to be intolerant either passively or overtly to faiths other than that recognized by the state. The country identifies itself and its laws within religion and religious doctrine. There is no legal separation between church and state, and citizens of other faiths are often excluded or hampered from participation or expelled. Because a theocracy is exclusionary, it can never be a democracy which requires inclusion without exception of all equally. It cannot be a republic because a republic requires the separation of church and state and equal rights to all.



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posted November 16, 2004 12:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirandee...

I assume you took my suggestion with some of the web sites I listed. I had thought about posting this very list. Its fun to read those sites and then read the comments when others post them here. Apparently, we find the same information important.

Thank you for posting.

MK

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It certainly defines that feeling I have had for some time now that something is just not right with all that is and has been going on in this country and I can see democracy slipping away.

I have called Bush and his administration a bunch of fascists in the past not really knowing for sure if the term actually fit but wow, it sure does.

Reading this I thought about all the things that have been happening the past four years and aligned them with the list. Bingo! The evil has been named. It helps to know exactly what you are fighting against.

Can't be any fence sitters in this one, huh?

But then I think about that post " Planet of Doofuses" and realize that these are the very type of men that people blindly follow. Evil presents itself as good. Why? Because we are all created good and it is only good that we are attracted to for that reason. Even when we sin it is because we see some good in it for ourselves. Presenting itself as good is the best weapon the evil of this world has to use against us.

The thing is that if we know God and therefore know what God is like, then evil, even when it presents itself as good, is easily recognized. All we have to do is draw a comparison. Jesus told us to "beware of wolves that come to you in sheep's clothing," and he told us, " you will know them by the fruit they bear." He went on to say a good tree cannot bear bad fruit - just as a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

I don't know why it popped into my head earlier this evening to check on what fascism is and define it. Maybe it was your suggestion that left an imprint on my subconscious.

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Mirandee.....

Thanks for that post....*sigh*

VERY enlightening....

...and quite the eye opener.....if frightening

Love,
Rainbow

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quote:
Disdain for
the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

New attorney general Alberto Gonzales was most recently counsel to the president and recipient of the infamous internal White House memo from Aug. 1, 2002, signed by then-Assistant Attorney General Jay S. Bybee which put Bush above the law and "...argued darkly that torturing al-Qaida captives "may be justified" and that international laws against torture "may be unconstitutional if applied to interrogations" conducted under President Bush. The memo then continued for 50 pages to make the case for the use of torture."

quote:
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats
as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Ring any bells?

quote:
. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

hmmmm

quote:
7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Homeland Security? Patriot Act?

quote:
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

God appointed him....he is our choosen one...*sigh*

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posted November 16, 2004 05:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump

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Rainbow~
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Can't let this get "lost" down at the bottom either...

............so

..................up

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and away......

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Rainbow~
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posted November 17, 2004 11:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THIS IS THE WRITING ON THE WALL!

....and I find it EXTREMELy terrifying!

Rainbow

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I love it how there is no comment on this thread from the raging conservatives.

MK

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Rainbow~
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posted November 17, 2004 11:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I noticed that too, MK....

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Rainbow~
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bump

Mirandee......MK

....this just keeps getting overlooked

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posted November 18, 2004 12:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the bump, Rainbow

Thanks for posting, Mirandee. Interesting reading.

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posted November 18, 2004 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
In the 20th Century, many Fascist countries started out as republics. Through the use of fear, societies gave up their rights under the guise of security. Ultimately these republics morphed into Fascist states.


*shudder*


Wow.. I'm not the least bit surprised that certain other knowflakes are not posting to this thread. Its really undeniable that the US is fulfilling all of those points. It's rather frightening really.

Thanks for posting this Mirandee.

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posted November 18, 2004 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's like I said before, "this is a total political 'takeover' of the neo-cons!", do you guys think that we would have an opposition in the contrary?!

I like this part of the artical:

quote:
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

...and I think that it leads so much to this which I find interesting!

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b) Fascism creates confusion through "facts". It relies on junk science, revisionism, the elimination of cultural records/treasures and obfuscations to create its case and gain acceptance. Fascism can also combine Marxist critiques of capitalism or faith based critics of the same to re-define middle class perceptions of democracy and to force its issues, confuse logic and create majority consensus between targeted groups. This is also referred to as creating a state of Cognitive Dissonance, the mental state most human beings are easily manipulated within.

Pretty scary when one sees the exact to what always happens even in this forum!

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posted November 19, 2004 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW! I think that we better frame this thread and hang it on our walls, for this is the only thread in the history of LL that has no smeer remark coming from the right and was created by the left!

Hmmm, maybe we touched a soft spot!

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posted November 19, 2004 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You seem to forget...if you ever knew, it was the Republicans who were instrumental in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Republicans voted overwhelmingly for it and Southern Democrats were almost universally against it...including one of your hero's father Algore Sr. and Fullbright, Clinton's mentor.

One day, you on the far radical left will actually get something right...but I doubt anyone here will live long enough to see that happen.

House Debate and Passage
The House of Representatives debated the bill for nine days and rejected nearly one hundred amendments designed to weaken the bill before passing H.R .7152 on February 10, 1964. Of the 420 members who voted, 290 supported the civil rights bill and 130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34; Democrats supported it 152-96. It is interesting to note that Democrats from northern states voted overwhelmingly for the bill, 141 to 4, while Democrats from southern states voted overwhelmingly against the bill, 92 to 11. A bipartisan coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats was the key to the bill's success. This same arrangement would prove crucial later to the Senate's approval of the bill.

In the Senate
The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the [i]Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes.
http://www.congresslink.org/print_basics_histmats_civilrights64text.htm

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posted November 19, 2004 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unfortunately, this was all happening just before the neo-cons took over the right wing under Reagan's and Bush Sr's noses!

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posted November 19, 2004 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This sounds exactly like Liberal ideology to me:

b) Fascism creates confusion through "facts". It relies on junk science, revisionism, the elimination of cultural records/treasures and obfuscations to create its case and gain acceptance. Fascism can also combine Marxist critiques of capitalism or faith based critics of the same to re-define middle class perceptions of democracy and to force its issues, confuse logic and create majority consensus between targeted groups. This is also referred to as creating a state of Cognitive Dissonance, the mental state most human beings are easily manipulated within.

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Well Ozone, if you consider doubling federal funding for education, establishing fundamental testing to make sure students are performing at grade level, ending the marriage penalty for married couples, giving every taxpayer a tax rebate, coupled with an ongoing tax cut, ending the death tax, cutting the capital gains tax rate to spur investment in America, raising home ownership in America to record levels, providing a prescription drug benefit to Medicare recipients, lowering the unemployment rate and putting more people to work in America than ever before in American history, freeing over 50 million people from the grip of brutal dictators, promoting free elections in Afghanistan, scheduling free elections for Iraq in January, shutting down a nuclear proliferation ring which was selling nuclear technology to Korea, Iran and Libya, facing down the Libyan's into giving up their nuclear weapons program, forcing Iran to open up for nuclear inspections by the UN, breaking up a bribery ring at the UN, in France and Russia associated with the Oil for Food Program, prosecuting and jailing the corporate criminals who flourished under Clinton....and a host of other initiatives as good deeds, then I say we need to double the number of Neo-Cons in the 2nd Bush Administration.

Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time...hehehe
Wrong domestic policy for America...hehehe
Wrong foreign policy for America...hehehe

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posted November 19, 2004 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dunno about that Randall, I seen more use of Newsmax.com from the right then Move on. org from the left in this forum. So if their is any ideology coming from the left, I can assure you that it's very seldom!

JW:

"Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time..." All that is said, was all done by the blundering of the neo-cons, the rest is in the mix and is NOT a true certain thing like the neo-cons like to lead us to believe...

"Wrong domestic policy for America..." Most of those laws are totally useless for most of America...

"Wrong foreign policy for America..." Our government is screwing our allies when we need them the most...

Why shouldn't I be afraid, this is not for me, it's for them!


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posted November 19, 2004 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which laws have no meaning for most Americans Ozone?

How is the US screwing France, Germany and Russia Ozone? And how do you come to the conclusion France, Germany and Russia are our allies in the war in Iraq?

Is it your opinion the federal government exists to take something from someone else to give it to you?

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posted November 19, 2004 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In spite of all those tax cuts, the Medicare reform might be the only beneficial bill that was passed under this adminionstration and that's still questionable!

Your right, we're not screwing France, Germany and Russia, we're screwing ourselves in the long run, by denying the fact that it's them that is our true allies on the "war on terror" and possibly other things like "no bid contracts"?!

And if the federal government is taking away from somebody else, believe you and me JW, I'm not seeing any of it reaching to MY mailbox lately!

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And the new "arms race" is on! "Thanks PNAC for your help, hope your dreams of armageddon comes true!"

So much of what Reagan try to do for the world!

Russia Says New Missile System Is 'Totally Defensive'
By EDITH M. LEDERER, AP

UNITED NATIONS (Nov. 20) - Russia's new nuclear missile system is purely defensive and part of the country's program to upgrade its military, Deputy Foreign Minister Yuri Fedotov said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday said the country is developing a new "state-of-the-art" nuclear missile system unlike any weapon held by other countries. He said it will be deployed "in the near future" but gave no details.

"It's a military issue, of course," Fedotov told The Associated Press on Friday when asked about the new missiles. "Any armed forces needs a kind of upgrading, so it's a natural process."

The Russian minister was asked why the country was trying to improve its nuclear capabilities at a time when the international community is working to get countries like North Korea and Iran to abandon their nuclear programs.

"Of course it is necessary to improve missile system in order to avoid any accidents. This is standard procedure," Fedotov said.

Fedotov said that "as everything we have, it's totally defensive."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said President Bush and Putin had discussed the issue previously. He suggested that close ties between the two leaders makes alarm unnecessary. But he didn't eliminate Washington's concern.

"We have a very different relationship than we did in the Cold War," he said. "The fact that we do have a good relationship enables us to speak very directly to our Russian friends."

Christopher Langton, head of defense analysis at London's International Institute for Strategic Studies, said Putin's comments appeared to be the first time that Russian officials had spoken publicly about a new deterrent, though he had no idea what the system might be.

Putin has made clear that improving the armed forces, which declined after the breakup of the Soviet Union, is a priority. In the past year, Russia defense officials have made several announcements about new weapons.

Fedotov was in New York for a series of meetings and to introduce a General Assembly resolution to commemorate next year's 60th anniversary of the end of fighting in World War II's European theater.


11/20/04 07:14 EST

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jwhop....

It is an exercise in futility. The more you post facts and demonstrate how the application of a theory is not relevent in today's political environment, the more you will get just useless quips from the left.

The thing is, they cannot refute the facts - they hate that the right has done a considerable amount for this country and civil rights whereas the left sat there with their thumbs up their bums. So when real facts are posted we get "Well, that just doesn't count!"

Or "Well, be that as it may...now have have a country RULED by Neo-cons" which couldn't be further from the truth...

Or...they post a stupid map based on a faulty theory about the red states supporting slavery and that is why they voted for Bush...LOL...

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posted November 20, 2004 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whatever Pid, I just don't like to hear "one sided" views from the right, when their's too many sides to the story, if I could, I prefer to listen to all sides!

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