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Topic: WHAT IS THE TRUTH
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Dr Shwan
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posted November 16, 2004 05:25 PM
 
What is the truth ?The truth of life.
The truth of religion.
The truth of love.
Who is right and who is wrong ? Do we spend so much time trying to justify our opinions and beliefs, that if the Truth was in front of us we wouldn't recognize it.
Has it not occured to people that the Truth does not require the majorities approval, nor does it require justification. Why do we spend our time trying to prove ourselves right, and for those who's beliefs and ideas don't correspond with our own, well, the same if not more amount of time is given to prove them wrong.
The result of all this :
NOTHING.
Is it possible to have teaching and dialogue free of ego and justification? Khodah Negahdar IP: Logged |
moonbaby
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posted November 16, 2004 05:29 PM
the truth is in taoism...for real, its all there. cos ive been thinking and reading a lot about this, but before i proceed....shouldnt this post be in free-for-all? or is this part of your point dr?
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lovely*
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posted November 16, 2004 05:32 PM
I agree moonbaby. the Truth is in nature (taoism). IP: Logged |
grayheart
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posted November 16, 2004 06:21 PM
You are all absolutely correct, you cannot hope to ry to force your truth onto someone else anymore that you should try. Truth is there and everytone will discover pieces of it at their own pace. The only things you can and should do is express yourself, if you have an opinion speak it, and let others decide for themselves. If they want to ask questions, you can answer, but you don't have to feel like you need to defend yourself, and if a something comes along that makes you unsure, then reflect and decide again where the truth lies. Truth is an an evolving thing, what you may hold true today, likely will have changed at least a little from what you held true when you look back a few years. That is growth, and everyone grows at different speeds, all was can do is express and enjoyIP: Logged |
Rainbow~
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posted November 16, 2004 06:57 PM
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Truth is an an evolving thing, what you may hold true today, likely will have changed at least a little from what you held true when you look back a few years. That is growth, and everyone grows at different speeds, all was can do is express and enjoy
How true! (no pun intended  ) ..and I certainly don't think that I have "all of the truth" now, nor do I expect to have all of the truth in this lifetime.......there is always SO MUCH MORE TO KNOW~~~~~~~~always..... Love,
Rainbow
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trillian
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posted November 16, 2004 07:05 PM
The truth is that All That Is...Is.Definition of what Is, is preference and embellishment. Everything is colored by ourselves...and those are every color of the rainbow. You can call the colors Ego, or you can call them Lovely. Is this really the Truth?
No idea.
Does Truth change?
No idea. Life is fun. Live it up.  IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted November 16, 2004 07:11 PM
Indeed!IP: Logged |
iAmThat
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posted November 16, 2004 10:24 PM
Interesting..thread.Heres my version: Truth is a secret that cannot be kept.
Truth is an inner voice that cannot be suppressed.
Truth is everything that exists and does not exists.
Truth is subjective and objective
Truth is in those teaching and those taught
I will tell you what truth is not, Truth is not absence of Falsity. IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted November 16, 2004 10:37 PM
..mmmmm.....very good Iam That. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted November 16, 2004 10:54 PM
Dr Shwan, thank you for your infusion of kind and gentle energy 
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Mirandee
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posted November 16, 2004 11:02 PM
Very good definition of truth, I AM THAT I also think everyone is right in that what we hold to be true now can change in light of further evidence that is solid. Truth evolves. But only if a person has an open mind to new ways of thinking and seeing things. Case in point is that many thought the world was flat at one time. Inner truths, or what our hearts just know to be true does not change though. Those are the truths that have a spiritual basis. Mostly we just have opinions that are based on what we think to be true at this time. God is the only One Absolute Truth. IP: Logged |
seeshells
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posted November 18, 2004 07:49 PM
Welcome to Lindaland Dr. Shwan, I look foward to hearing more of what you have to share. Blessings. sueIP: Logged |
Yin
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posted November 18, 2004 08:12 PM
quote:
The truth is that All That Is...Is.
Definition of what Is, is preference and embellishment. Everything is colored by ourselves...and those are every color of the rainbow. You can call the colors Ego, or you can call them Lovely.Is this really the Truth?
No idea.
Does Truth change?
No idea. Life is fun. Live it up.
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sesame
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posted November 18, 2004 09:15 PM
Hmm, I love debating this stuff. quote:
What is the truth ?
What you make it. It's completely relative. The only real truth as Mirandee said is that God is all. quote:
The truth of life.
Life is God. quote:
The truth of religion.
God is all. quote:
The truth of love.
God is Love. quote:
Who is right and who is wrong ?
Right and wrong don't exist. And yet, everything is right and wrong. This is the divine dichotomy that permeates all of life. If you are right, then someone else is wrong. If you are neither, then everyone else is both. Interesting that you ask who, and not what. quote:
Do we spend so much time trying to justify our opinions and beliefs, that if the Truth was in front of us we wouldn't recognize it.
But if we justified our truths, then those truths are true. To us. That's the point, truth is relative. If the truth in front of us helped us see their way, then our truths might change. The other truth has affected ours. Our new truth would now be relative to the other. quote:
Has it not occured to people that the Truth does not require the majorities approval, nor does it require justification.
The majority have the major impact on our truth. To escape the impact, we should probably escape the majority. In fact, I think there are a lot more truths hidden in small towns than great cities for this reason. People would also be more tolerant of others, if the others weren't so numerous. Vice versa. quote:
Why do we spend our time trying to prove ourselves right, and for those who's beliefs and ideas don't correspond with our own, well, the same if not more amount of time is given to prove them wrong.
We are not that evolved. We try to prove ourselves right because we need to think someone else is wrong. The underlying principle of our society is one of competition. Someone has to win. Someone has to lose. We have to live with it. (or not) quote:
The result of all this :
NOTHING.
Is it possible to have teaching and dialogue free of ego and justification?Khodah Negahdar
Nothing is something. Now your last question really hits me. Our civilization kind of needs justification to know something is true. Hence, we developed science. We were too primitive really to understand the truths within religion, so we seek a different path. Both have limitations, and yet, both can teach. We sometimes need a blend. However, we aren't really evolved enough yet to state that truth is. It either has to be right or wrong. Religion is the answer or science. I believe we are changing as a civilization, but fairly slowly. The ego though... Are we ready to learn? Are we too arrogant to listen? As a civilization or individuals? Everything is relative. In many ways, I'd say our ego is protecting us from learning too quickly, to the point where we might anihilate ourselves before our first lesson. Well, so be it. Awesome questions. Many of my answers were influenced by Conversations with God. Do I have to state this every time I say something, or can I just say I'm speaking. I mean, we are a summation of everybody we talk to and read, so why should we always cite who told us what? Anyhow,
Welcome to Lindaland,
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TINK
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posted November 18, 2004 09:31 PM
"right and wrong don't exist."??!!  Huh? Is this philosophical/theoretical jerking off? Or are you serious?
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sesame
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posted November 18, 2004 10:09 PM
They are self imposed. How can you say what is right or wrong? I guess a more accurate statement is that "Right and wrong are temporarily valid to only certain locations and subject to change at any moment by whomever chooses". Short answer is they don't exist Dean. IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 18, 2004 10:17 PM
You're saying right and wrong don't exist outside our subjective view of them?IP: Logged |
sesame
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posted November 18, 2004 11:06 PM
Basically, yes. They exist within subjectivity, and I guess nowhere else Just my onions of course Dean. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted November 18, 2004 11:22 PM
Dean, would you "guess" that subjective onion exists within your mind? Any chance it is worthy of a second "guess"? ------------------
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sesame
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posted November 18, 2004 11:32 PM
Absolutely! That's my point. Opinions change as your truth does. There's nothing wrong with that, and in fact, I reckon it should be supported. Change is everything. To bog down in one idea or thought is akin to hell. You need the freedom of expressiveness to learn and grow. We need change like plants need water. Everyday is a new thought. If everyday is the same old one, you will stifle. I believe this is what age is. The understanding that you might not want to change anymore. Rest. But think, if you always lived like you were seven, would you ever grow tired?Dean. IP: Logged |
sesame
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posted November 18, 2004 11:40 PM
Hang on, are you saying the subjectiveness comes from outside your mind?Now there's a thought... Dean. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted November 18, 2004 11:49 PM
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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
26taurus
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posted November 19, 2004 11:58 AM
Dean,I just wanted to say that I know exactly what you are talking about. No right or wrong and also no good or bad. I thought of Conversations with God when I was reading your posts and then see that you say your comments were influenced by those books.  I read all of those books a few years ago and they really opened my eyes to alot of things. I read the first one when I was about 16, I think. It was one of the books that started me on my Path. I dont feel like debating with anyone why there is no right and no wrong. If you want to know more - get the books. I think everyone should read one of them. Just wanted to let you know, I hear you Dean. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted November 19, 2004 12:18 PM
I agree with you, Dean.Organized religion needs right and wrong, threats of eternal punishment, and other illusions to control the masses and guilt them into supporting the church. ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted November 19, 2004 12:44 PM
I don't support the church, any church. And I surely don't give a rat's arse what the Pope thinks. And I understand that what society deems acceptable changes with the weather. I've always thought that to be one of the sadder aspects of the human story. But beyond that there is no objective Good and Evil? What you are saying is that if no one is there to hear the proverbial tree fall, it does not make a sound?I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative. I'm just having a hard time grasping this idea. IP: Logged |
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