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jwhop
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posted November 23, 2004 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Economic Freedom: Bush States Have It, and Kerry States Don't
Chuck Noe, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Nov. 23, 2004


New research ranking Americans' economic freedom shows that the "red" states won by President Bush have more liberty than average, and "blue" states won by Sen. John Kerry have less.

America's freest state: Kansas, followed by fellow low-cost Republican states Colorado, Virginia, Idaho and Utah.
America's least economically free state: New York, followed by fellow expensive Democrat states California, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Illinois.

Pacific Research Institute’s “U.S. Economic Freedom Index: 2004 Report,” published in association with Forbes magazine, figures in more than 100 variables, including regulatory and fiscal burdens imposed on residents.

The report, written by Ying Huang and Robert E. McCormick of Clemson University and Lawrence J. McQuillan of PRI, shows how more economic freedom leads to more economic security. Such findings are a wake-up call to old-fashioned politicians who still want voters to believe that more government and less liberty means more economic security.

“If all states ranked as free as Kansas, the annual income of an average working American would rise 4.42 percent, or $1,161, putting an additional $87,541 into his or her pocket over a 40-year working life. This would be a sizable addition to individuals’ private retirement accounts,” PRI stated.

“The best places to start businesses and find jobs are in states with the fewest regulatory and fiscal roadblocks, everything else considered. The report confirms that the most economically free states are experiencing population growth, as Americans are moving to states that have the most business- and job-friendly climates.”

McQuillan said: “The index is an important tool for policymakers and for improving public understanding of the link between economic freedom and financial prosperity. It is our hope that this index will contribute to future policy reforms that will strengthen and preserve economic freedom for all Americans.”

The index shows that the 25 states with above-average freedom include only two “blue” states, New Hampshire (which Kerry barely won and Bush won in 2000) and Delaware. The 25 subpar states included 17 Kerry states.

Such findings should not surprise readers of NewsMax.com, which pointed out last week how the “liberal” elitists of 49th-ranked California were declaring war on the undesirables: i.e., the middle class and poor.

U.S. Economic Freedom Index

1. Kansas, 18.18
2. Colorado, 18.81
3. Virginia, 18.86
4. Idaho, 19.02
5. Utah, 19.35
6. Oklahoma, 19.56
7. New Hampshire, 20.19
8. Delaware, 20.90
9. Wyoming, 21.24
10. Missouri, 21.82


11. Arizona, 21.89
12. Nevada, 22.10
13. South Carolina, 22.41
14. Indiana, 22.69
15. South Dakota, 23.34
16. Iowa, 23.43
17. Texas, 23.52
18. North Dakota, 24.00
19. Georgia, 24.06
20. Nebraska, 24.23


21. Montana, 24.63
22. Florida, 25. 12
23. Arkansas, 25.14
24. North Carolina, 25.58
25. Alabama, 25.87
26. Tennessee, 26.16
27. Maryland, 26.54
28. Mississippi 26.54
29. Oregon, 26.86
30. Maine, 26.93


31. Washington, 27.28
32. West Virginia, 27.73
33. Alaska, 27.82
34. Michigan, 27.90
35. Hawaii, 27.95
36. Vermont, 28.04
37. New Mexico, 28.37
38. Wisconsin, 28.75
39. Kentucky, 29.13
40. Louisiana, 29.16


41. Massachusetts, 29.41
42. New Jersey, 30.19

43. Ohio, 30.91
44. Minnesota, 31.13
45. Pennsylvania, 31.58
46. Illinois, 32.77
47. Rhode Island, 33.21
48. Connecticut, 35.21
49. California, 38.79
50. New York, 39.50


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pidaua
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posted November 23, 2004 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's no wonder my family moved from California to Idaho and Arizona I hated living in Maryland- the tax burden and cost of living was insane - but I loved the crabs!!! (uhhhhh...the steamed crabs that is before someone makes an innuendo LOL)

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posted November 23, 2004 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Last one out of California, turn out the lights

Thursday, Nov. 18, 2004 1:27 p.m. EST
'Liberal' California Wages War on Middle Class and Poor

California's high taxes and obsession with elitist political correctness have made the state so expensive that a fourth of residents are thinking about moving to a more reasonable state.


As greedy cities, counties and other governmental bodies restrict property rights and development in the name of environmentalism, housing has become prohibitively overpriced.

The young are especially hard hit. A study released today by Public Policy Institute of California found that:

60 percent of respondents worry that their children will not be able to buy homes nearby.

Only one in five who want someday to buy a house think they will be able to.

Nearly half of respondents under 35 say they are considering leaving.
Instead of being optimistic about life in the former Golden State, the new generation "coming into the owning stages of their lives ... are exactly the people who are talking about moving elsewhere," warned Mark Baldassare, author of the statewide study. "You're talking about your work force. You're talking about your future."

The median price of a house nationwide is $186,600. In California it's $465,000.

Naturally, the most unaffordable areas are those most heavily Democrat. "The survey, the most comprehensive of its kind in years in California, reveals the moving-out sentiment is highest in coastal areas, and many are acting on it. Since 1995, according to the institute, more than 350,000 residents have moved from the coast to the less expensive Central Valley," the Associated Press reported today.

Take a look at the red-blue maps of congressional districts and recent presidential elections to get an idea of how the left-wing elitists of San Francisco, Berkeley, Marin County, Mendocino County and so forth are trying to price out those awful middle-class and poor people so they can sip their $6 frappuccinos and juices with like-minded pseudointellectuals.

In another sign of California's drop-dead attitude toward the middle and lower classes, harsher new emissions regulations will make cars cost up to several thousand dollars more there than elsewhere in America, the Wall Street Journal reported recently.

Some of the blame, of course, goes to California's voters. Though he has tried to stop the exodus of jobs to lower-cost states, liberal Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger persuaded residents of his deficit-plagued state to burden themselves further with a $6 billion spending spree on unproven research that destroys human embryos, even as hospitals in slums such as Watts are being closed.


Incidentally, the reality of elitist, unaffordable "blue" regions vs. more reasonable "red" regions exists nationwide. Consider: Massachusetts vs. Missouri, Vermont vs. Virginia, southern Maine vs. northern Maine, southeast Florida vs. north Florida, Seattle vs. Spokane, Aspen and Boulder vs. the rest of Colorado, Jackson Hole vs. the rest of Wyoming, Sun Valley vs. the rest of Idaho, northern New Mexico vs. southern New Mexico ....
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/18/140421.shtml

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posted November 23, 2004 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And they wonder why we mock their hypocrisy
Champion of the little people...my $ss

Tuesday, Nov. 23, 2004 3:36 p.m. EST
California's Latest Nutty Attack on Poor People

The elitist eco-hypocrites of San Francisco have a new weapon in their never-ending attack on poor people: Now they want to tax grocery bags at 17 cents a pop.

"The measure is primarily being pushed by environmentalists who view plastic grocery bags as a menace, not as a modern marvel of convenience," USA Today reported today.

Of course, 17 cents a bag won't mean anything to the Lexus leftists, but it's just another slap in the face of those who already struggle to scrape by in the expensive city in the expensive state.

"Folks take the free plastic bag for granted," sniffed Mark Murray of Californians Against Waste, which supports the scheme.

However, the fee "is an incredible amount of money to a consumer," noted Paul Smith of California Grocers Association. "Before you know it, that's an extra dollar to your food bill every time you go shopping."

No wonder California ranks a miserable 49th in the U.S. Economic Freedom Index.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/23/154754.shtml

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posted November 23, 2004 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Pid, if you like steamed blue crab, the Gulf Coast of Florida is the place.

Tie a chicken neck inside a crab cage and lower it into the water from just about any bridge over a salt water canal and presto.....crab dinner.

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pidaua
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posted November 23, 2004 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yummmmm...I love that...we used to go Crabbing with friends off the Eastern Shore. They had a small fishing boat with a trot-line. Ohhh..those were the days..I almost had crab overdose at one point. LOL...


Yeah, I hear that you Floridians (along with them Cajuns) don't love the Blue Crab like they do in MD...too bad..BUT..just another reason for me to head out to FL

I can't believe how nuts CA is getting..I am so happy I don't live there anymore.

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posted November 23, 2004 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yummmmm...I love that...we used to go Crabbing with friends off the Eastern Shore. They had a small fishing boat with a trot-line. Ohhh..those were the days..I almost had crab overdose at one point. LOL...


Yeah, I hear that you Floridians (along with them Cajuns) don't love the Blue Crab like they do in MD...too bad..BUT..just another reason for me to head out to FL

I can't believe how nuts CA is getting..I am so happy I don't live there anymore.

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Isis
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posted November 23, 2004 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop, for posting those, good info.

CA (and the rest of the states that ranked towards the bottom)

Unfortunately I can't get my husband to even consider moving out of State, so I'm relocating to NZ for the next three years to finish college (I'll be coming back to the US on breaks, etc). I've found that the hypocrisy in this state makes the bile rise in my throat, from the "Lexus Liberals" as that article put it, to the development restrictions (a friend is in RE Developing - apparently they only build condos and expensive houses ($500K+) anymore because there's more profit in them - no more starter homes, which means starter homes are priced at the cost of luxury homes in other states). Oh, that RE Dev. friend, is a Democrat. A Lexus Liberal, if you will. (I thought the Repubs supposedly cornered the market on being profiteers in America, guess not... )

But, I know A LOT of self-proclaimed Dumbocrats who voted for Bush this time, so maybe there is hope.

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posted November 23, 2004 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ISIS!! New Zealand? OMG....that is so cool...what is your major? How exciting!!!

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posted November 23, 2004 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ancient History I actually attended Auckland University a few years out of HS, but I dropped out due to, um...distractions ( & ) and came back to the US. My mother is a Kiwi so I have citizenship by descent through her, which I'm grateful for, as that is what enables me to even be able to consider such a thing.

I've always LOVED Ancient History and Archaeology, but in the US it seems a majority of the good programs are either back east or they're grad programs.

Oh, and here's the best part - in NZ, you get your Bachelors in 3 years, and there is NO general Ed. So I don't have to take Calculus

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posted November 23, 2004 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well..you will HAVE to keep us updated...Wow..I have always wanted to see NZ and Australia. My brother is a teacher and was able to take students on a 4 week tour of NZ and Australia- he loved NZ more than anything. He wanted to spend more time exploring..

LOL...we're both Saggies..go figure.

Well, I wish you the best and I know you will just kick rear!!!

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posted November 23, 2004 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Pid!

I'm leaving for NZ tomorrow for three weeks to sort out the paperwork, enrollment stuff etc! I haven't been back in 12 years so I'm sooooooooooo excited But I'll still be stopping in here, just less frequently, to feel the "love"

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jwhop
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posted November 23, 2004 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the craziness of California liberals is worse in the major population centers....those few blue areas of the election map I posted on another thread

I'm envious Isis, what a great place to be going. I've never heard a discouraging word about New Zealand.

Where did you get the idea we don't like blue crab in Florida Pid?

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posted November 23, 2004 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wonder if we are going to give the Iraqis electronic voting machines and teach their leaders how to rig elections. Just a little joke there.

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posted November 23, 2004 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand the President has recommended Diebold to Allawi and the Iraqi interim government!

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posted November 23, 2004 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, so the elections can be fixed over there to, to the neo-cons liking, might as well have a monarchy and just get it over with!

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posted November 23, 2004 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey jwhop..You all do the whole steam crab thing? Where ya sit at the table with trays full of hot steamed crabs..beer..shrimp and ohhhhh..my mouth is water..

gotta add Florida to my list....

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posted November 24, 2004 01:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I live In Minnesota which is 44 on the list, and while we did go blue for the presidential election, we almost always vote a republican governer. So what does that say?

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jwhop
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posted November 26, 2004 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah, so the elections can be fixed over there to, to the neo-cons liking, might as well have a monarchy and just get it over with!

Hey Ozone, if those Diebold voting machines were really fixed....as some here seem to think, maybe W will wind up being elected President of Iraq too.

Well Pid, most people here just throw blue crabs in a big pot of boiling salted water, but if you prefer steaming, that can be arranged too.

I'll save you a good spot on the bridge. If you plan to catch blue crabs on a string....bring your net, they almost always turn loose when you pull them out of the water. Make that a net with a long handle. Some of our bridges are 20 feet or more above the water.

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Ok I live In Minnesota which is 44 on the list, and while we did go blue for the presidential election, we almost always vote a republican governer. So what does that say?

Well miss_apples, I guess that means you Minnesota folks like good government....at least at the state level

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posted November 26, 2004 06:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i dont know jwhop, in my opinion, our governer Tim Pawlenty is a poor excuse for a politician, even for a republican.

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posted November 26, 2004 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey miss_apples, don't blame me, you Minnesota folks elected him

Seriously though, what's the problem...too conservative, too liberal, an off the wall nutbar?

Well hey, you also elected Jesse Ventura, a former pro wrestler known as "The Body," who, hereinafter prefers to be called "The Mind"

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posted November 26, 2004 07:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ROFL!

"The Body"?
"The Mind"?

We all know what comes next. .....God help us.

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posted November 26, 2004 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like the makings of a good love song.

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posted November 27, 2004 06:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jesse Ventura is a good man, a very good man. Now I dont think he made a great governer but he did mean well and I really do feel like he did what he felt was best, even if he did screw up and put both feet in his mouth from time to time.

Tim Pawlenty, if I have to pick from those three Id say the nutbar one. He will only try and pass laws that he thinks will make the Minnesotan government more money no matter the cost to the public.

I am not blaming you and I sure as heck didnt vote for him...lol

Before Jesse we had a republican governer named Arne Carlson and he was awsome. So Im not being down on Pawlenty just because he is Republican.

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IN OTHER WORDS ANYONE WHO IS RICH GETS THE TAX CUTS

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