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ozonefiller
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posted February 25, 2005 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Updated: 11:18 AM EST
More Legal Woes for Michael Jackson
Family Says Heart Attack Victim Moved for Star




New Woes for Jackson

(Feb. 25) — A woman who had suffered a massive heart attack died after hospital personnel moved her out of a trauma room to accommodate a flu-stricken Michael Jackson, the patient's family said.

Jury selection in Jackson's child molestation child had to be temporarily postponed Feb. 15 when the pop star was taken to Marian Medical Center in Santa Maria, Calif., complaining of flu-like symptoms. Manuela Gomez Ruiz, a 74-year-old grandmother, was moved from the primary trauma room and taken off the machine ventilator, with her breathing instead assisted manually by hand pump, until she was relocated to a smaller room nearby, her family told ABC News.



The larger room was kept for Jackson, the family says. Hospital records show Jackson, 46, told emergency room staff he had severe abdominal pain. His body temperature, 96.9 degrees, was below normal and he had tears in his eyes. The initial emergency room report said he could go home anytime.

There was no doubt Jackson was sick — as a doctor assured the judge presiding over his trial — but how sick? Anna Ruiz, Ruiz's daughter-in-law, says she watched as Jackson entered the emergency room.

"He walked in," she said. "When I saw him, he was walking unassisted."



Anna Ruiz was in the emergency room with her mother-in-law who was in the primary trauma room, attached to IVs and a ventilator.

"It's a large family and the mom is the heart of the family, " she said. Ruiz was a mother of eight, grandmother of 24 and great-grandmother of 26.

But Ruiz's heart was failing rapidly. She would have two more heart attacks before she died that day.

The family has hired an attorney to sue both the hospital and Jackson.

'They Shouldn't Have Treated Us Any Different'

Maria Elena Ortiz, the ailing woman's daughter, said she was in the room when Jackson came in. She was also present when her mother was moved and objected.

"Why does she have to be moved if he's coming in for a stomach flu?" Ortiz said. "I said, 'My mother just had a heart attack and I think it's more critical than a stomach flu.' They didn't say anything."


"This was the last time we might be able to talk with our grandma. They took that from us."
-Marcos Meraz, one of Ruiz's grandsons

No one knows if moving Ruiz added to her trauma, but family members said they were told her heart was functioning at 30 percent and other organs were failing. But they say the chaos caused by Jackson's arrival distracted staff, and robbed them of precious time with their mother and grandmother as she died.

When Ruiz was moved to a smaller room, the family says equipment had to be crammed into the room. They also were limited to two visitors at a time. Once those visitors were in the room they could not leave and let other family members in because the hospital restricted movement in the hallways after Jackson arrived, the family says.

"This was the last time we might be able to talk with our grandma. They took that from us," said Marcos Meraz, one of Ruiz's grandsons.

Meraz said the hospital could have given Jackson privacy without imposing restrictions on Ruiz's family.

"They shouldn't have treated us any different," he said. "Close the door, keep him in the room, let us spend time with our grandma. We weren't there for him. We were there for my grandma."

Family Struggles With Funeral Costs

The family is adamant in saying that they have nothing against Michael Jackson. But Anna Ruiz believes that if someone with the flu can take precedence over someone with a heart attack, the hospital's policy "needs to be changed."


"It is outrageous that Michael Jackson's name would be invoked into a situation of which he had no authority or control."
-Raymone K. Bain, Jackson's publicist

The hospital expressed its deepest sympathy to the Ruiz family for its loss. In a statement to ABC News, hospital officials said patient privacy laws prohibit any comment on patient care, but "we are confident, however, that our patients have and continue to receive high-quality compassionate and timely care."

Jackson's publicist, Raymone K. Bain, issued the following statement: "Michael Jackson sends his condolences to the family of the deceased. However, it is outrageous that Michael Jackson's name would be invoked into a situation of which he had no authority or control. It appears that ABC is deliberate in its attempt to circumvent Michael Jackson from receiving a fair trial."

In the meantime, the Ruiz family says it has struggled to find a way to pay for the funeral. Family members told ABC News they have had to take out a loan to pay for funeral costs.

Reported by ABC News' Jim Avila on "Good Morning America."


2/25/05

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This @$$ doesn't have not one bone of responsibility in his whole entire life and to think that the rest of the world is stupid enough not to realize that all he is trying to do is bide time in trial, like that as if he's trying to play hookie or something!

He says that he wants a fair trial, but he keeps on trying to postpone his day in court, thinking that everybody is just being "mean" to him, because he thinks that he's Peter Pan and that we're just being jealous of him because of it!

Now their's another poor victim(s) that he's effected in his life and all he cares about is himself!

I hope that he ROTS in prison...

...if he doesn't get gang-raped first!

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posted February 26, 2005 02:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah Jackson is a sad man. I do feel kinda bad for him because a lot of the stuff he pulls is because he is mentally ill from his bad child rearing. However there are plenty other people who also had less than fabulous parental guidence that are still remaining sane.
I think if he does get convicted it will be the best thing for him as well as the people he has hurt.

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Isis
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posted February 26, 2005 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya, I thought he was just kinda messed in the head, until I read about how he's trying to literally make himself into Peter Pan, both physically and in his day-to-day life.

Except Peter Pan didn't have a penchant for young boys, not in that sense anyway...but, innocent until proven guilty, right? So...

I think you're right Miss A, perhaps getting busted will force him to deal w/ his problems and the reality that he can't turn himself into a fictional character.

But as for people being moved to accomodate him in hospital, I blame the facility, not Jackson. It is their responsibility to ensure the care of all their patients, not just the famous ones, despite what the Jackson team may or may not have demanded.

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ozonefiller
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posted February 27, 2005 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jacko isn't mentally ill, he's just immature and as for that thing with the hospital being his fault, I think that it was, he knows how people react to him.

With a temperture of 96.9 degrees and crying like a baby, because his tummy hurts, gimme a break!

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posted February 27, 2005 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, and since you were there right, you know exactly what happened...I mean, you were there right, since you seem to know with such authority what happened?

While I think he's crazy as a loon, innocent until proven guilty. You know? I'm sure you'd like the same courtesy extended to you if you were ever in custody facing trial.

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posted February 27, 2005 10:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He is mentally ill...I mean come on. Look at the man, look at the things he does. He is seriously mentally ill.

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posted February 28, 2005 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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While I think he's crazy as a loon, innocent until proven guilty. You know? I'm sure you'd like the same courtesy extended to you if you were ever in custody facing trial.

No Isis, I like to have at least a million dollers so I can buy my way out of justice back in 1993, if you know what I mean!

Like I've said, he doesn't seem to be reponsible for all the shenanigans that go on in good'ol Mike's life!

And to correct you Isis, if I ever went to Cali, the last place I would like to visit is a hospital or the Neverland Ranch!

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posted February 28, 2005 11:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was there even a criminal case against him in 1993? I thought it was just a civil case?

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Eleanore
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posted February 28, 2005 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really don't think that the hospital's decision(s) can be blamed on Michael Jackson. He doesn't own them, he doesn't run the hospital, and he is NOT the decision maker when it comes to patient care. He went in to the hospital for a concern that he had ... a concern that any of the rest of us have the same right to visit a hospital for as well. Did the staff behave inappropriately because it was "Michael Jackson"? Perhaps they did, perhaps they were following regular procedures. But I highly doubt that anyone would be as upset, barring perhaps her family members, if the woman had been moved because you or I had visited the hospital and she had died after we had been given her room. Unless someone is suggesting that he bribed his way into an occupied room with enough money to make the staff disregard the health of another patient who subsequently died because of it, I really don't see how this can be considered "his fault" ... and even then, if he did make some sort of an attempt at a bribe, it is the hospital that is responsible for accepting such an arrangement if indeed one were made. Medical Ethics, anyone?

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posted March 05, 2005 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Medical Ethics, anyone?

Yeah, this guy has enough of money and clout that they could of performed a heart transplant for him right there in the courtroom and a couple of more stubbles to implant on his chin, just as a freebie!

This wasn't some kind a life threating thing for him and I don't know too many hospitals that would "bump" people off of life saving procedures and equipment, just for a celebrity's tummy ache! I have a hard time to believe that it would be allowed, if it is, I like to read the hospital's mandatory policy forms!

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posted March 05, 2005 11:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oz...you wouldnt believe how many people seem to forget about ethics when it comes to celebrities. I dont think the hospital was worrying about what they should have done at that moment in time.

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posted March 05, 2005 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might be right Miss_apples, maybe the hospital staff was just too starstruck over Michael Jackson being within they're presence at the time to even care for the rest of the poor folks that were in real need of they're attention!

How many, doctors and nurses got his autograph on that day?

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posted March 28, 2005 03:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He is sick but not gulity in the sense that people think he is. He did what lots of young boys do. Only problem was he was no longer a little boy physically. He speaks like a child and acts like a child. His wealth has allowed him to play house undetected.

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posted March 28, 2005 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not defending the hospital's decision, btw. I'm just saying that MJ didn't make their decision for them. If some doctors and nurses were too "starstruck" to pay attention to patients in critical conditions and/or distress (which I'm not saying is what happened but just for the sake of argument) ... how can you really blame MJ for that? Whether you like him or not, you can't blame him for being famous and for other people losing their heads over his fame. He's just a person ... sick or healthy, sane or insane, whatever you personally feel about him, he's still a person. He can't control how people react to him. Neither can we. However, since we're not famous (or infamous) we generally have a lot less people reacting to us in inappropriate ways just for knowing who we are than he does.
I've been in a hospital a number of times with friends or family waiting for hours with them being near the point of losing consciousness or in severe pain or in obvious distress or visibly in need of attention (broken limbs hanging at odd angles, blood spewing, fevers over 103 degrees, symptons generally associated with heart attacks, etc.) while other patients with coughs and sniffles have been admitted before them. Did I get angry? Sure. But I got angry at the hospital, not at the other patients who were there. Those patients didn't have anything to do with some inept employee's decision to admit them before the folks I was with. Sheesh. And later, the hospitals always just said they're sorry, they didn't realize the seriousness of the situation, and they didn't know who was responsible for the bad decision. Here are your pills, goodbye.

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to thine own self be true,
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Thou canst not then be false
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