posted June 02, 2005 06:02 PM            

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America is beautiful

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You said that in the thread where the Limbaugh bashing was going on.

So...what DO you like about America? What about it do you find to be beautiful?

posted June 02, 2005 07:33 PM              

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I've seen you (and others), speak acerbically about America in one breath, then say you love it in another

Examples of anything you've ever said are irrelevant... --Isis

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lol....well isis it seems to me your whole premise for asking me this is that you accuse me of speaking "acerbically" about America......so how could it be irrelevant??

posted June 02, 2005 11:06 PM              

there would be much less division in the country if the guiding course of the nation was more transparent

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The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, or to publish their sentiments; and the freedom of the press, as one of the great bulwarks of liberty, shall be inviolable. --
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i also love the fact that we can run for office and vote for the people we want to guide major functions in the government....i just dont like the idea of taking diebolds word for it....

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"A democracy [is] the only pure republic, but impracticable beyond the limits of a town." --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1816. ME 15:65

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posted June 06, 2005 12:31 AM            

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"A democracy [is] the only pure republic, but impracticable beyond the limits of a town." --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1816. ME 15:65

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Just clarifying the operative words in that sentence.

posted June 06, 2005 02:30 PM            

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that freedom of speech lends to the creation of the media....which despite what you and jwhop might believe....is the only way the truth can be made known

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So, to recap, you like that in America has true freedom of speech, a representative government, and gives the right to vote?

At least you can list some things. I would think the list would be longer, but fair enough.

Like I said, no baiting there, just curious.

TP - I can't speak for others, but my assuming that people like yourself and Petron hate America isn't because you speak badly of the government, it's because I never hear anything positive re: America come out of you guys.

It's not that I expect some jingoistic attitude towards America, but I can't recall (until reading Petron's answer to my question), hearing Petron specifically say anything positive about the US ever.

posted June 06, 2005 08:35 PM              

i actually had much more ready to post about America but since youre still not going to put up my alleged hateful comments about America, then i take it that youre only reading jwhops parts of each thread......

let me explain something to you.......despite the convenient stereotypes that jwhop has parrotted over and over and over again here.....i love my country ...it doesnt take me very much evidence not to trust some1 with running our country and ive seen more than enough for my satisfaction............if you dont like it then post your refutations, id love to hear your opinion....... or else just do like jwhop does.......lol

posted June 06, 2005 11:30 PM            

There isn't anything that sends a lying leftist scurrying for the cover of the nearest rock than having the spotlight shined on them.

posted June 06, 2005 11:41 PM              

but since you do an adequate job pointing out the democrats scandals i dont see any reason to do that for you as well...

posted June 06, 2005 11:59 PM            

Now here are the principles of leftists..as exemplified by Commander Corruption and defended by every leftist in America.

Lying
Rape
Murder
Treason
Obstruction of justice
Suborning perjury
Perjury
Adultery
Sexual assault

Did I miss any of the leftist virtues Petron?

Now Petron, contrast that with your nonsense of attempting to tie people to events by association with others. We're more interested in what the individual did, not what their grandfather or friend did.

posted June 07, 2005 12:38 AM              

spending more than $$40 million$$ to impeach clinton on monica,

but bush only spends 12 million$ to investigate the 911 attacks??!!(after a piddly offer of 3 million with kissinger to lead....LOL)

i can see where your priorities lay.....

posted June 07, 2005 07:57 AM            

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stereotypical leftist profile to everything you and Acoustic post.

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You mean by arguing with your flawed logic? Or are you referring to Petron calling you on your (here I'll use a Conservative term here) lies? Could it be an honest curiosity as to what the truth of a matter really is irrespective to party affiliation? Hmmmm...

...and I suppose you're not a stereotypical conservative, right? You're putting the good face out there.

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Inconvenient as it may be to you, I intend to continue to point out the hypocrisy and lies of the lying leftists.

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When do you intend to start this?

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There isn't anything that sends a lying leftist scurrying for the cover of the nearest rock than having the spotlight shined on them.

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Is this why you stay? Because you're afraid that if you go it will appear as if you're weak, and giving in to the other side?

Here is a more accurate view:

In debate with people you disagree with, you will inevitably come out looking like the loser because you continue to show your inability to judge the facts or your opponent with an open mind. Instead you spew hate, and contempt for your fellow man.

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Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse. The true with the false and the false with the true. -~ Martin Luther King Jr

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posted June 07, 2005 09:11 AM            

Let's get this straight Petron. Felt is a hero for passing info on Watergate to reporters, right? So Petron, tell me how you feel about Linda Tripp, who passed info on your hero Commander Corruption. Let's see, Felt is a national hero...to the press and to you and Tripp is a what..........Petron?

Well, of course, the left will whine about that forever but Clinton should have been impeached on far more serious charges.

Acoustic, I know you think you're winning some kind of contest but you don't make any sense. So, I'll keep posting those pieces about radical leftests....pieces you complain bitterly about while at the same time claiming you're not part of that I hate America group.

I'm a Capricorn, I can't lie! Sound familiar?

Now how did that get to be a contest between signs? It was your statement that we could take you absolutely at your word...because you're a Capricorn and to hear you tell it, you're genetically, intellectually and spiritually unable to tell a lie. WHAT! So, when I ask you where you ever heard Capicorns are unable to lie, you forget to answer. Now Acoustic, in order for me to believe anything you say, everything you say in the future hinges on you being unable to lie...since you brought it up..so tell me where you ever heard that.

Your problem is that you now claim to be a McCain supporter but have stated the positions of the far radical left in regards to terrorism and the war in Iraq...which are positions John McCain has never, ever taken. And since support for and making excuses for terrorists, glorifying them even, seems to be your thing as well as being against removal of your friend Saddam, I wonder how that squares with your support of McCain...who would disavowal everything you've said about the reasons for terrorism and keeping Saddam in power.

posted June 07, 2005 12:56 PM            

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Acoustic, I know you think you're winning some kind of contest but you don't make any sense.

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I guess it takes a sensible person to detect sense.

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complain bitterly about

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I haven't complained bitterly about anything except your attitude, and the way we jumped to war in Iraq.

I'm not part of the, "I hate America," group as you put it, though I am fond of some other countries in addition to our own.

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Now how did that get to be a contest between signs? It was your statement that we could take you absolutely at your word...because you're a Capricorn and to hear you tell it, you're genetically, intellectually and spiritually unable to tell a lie. WHAT! So, when I ask you where you ever heard Capicorns are unable to lie, you forget to answer. Now Acoustic, in order for me to believe anything you say, everything you say in the future hinges on you being unable to lie...since you brought it up..so tell me where you ever heard that.

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It's written in the chart of any Capricorn. From my chart:

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You are clear-headed, detached and objective, and are not swayed by emotional dramatics. Often you are authoritarian -strictly fair, but without mercy. You have a great respect for tradition and even if you do not agree with certain laws, you will abide by them or work to change them, but never flagrantly disregard them. Careful and conservative, you play by the rules.

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Read up on Capricorns, and you'll start to understand what I'm getting at. Capricorns base their lives on their own integrity. It's not that we can't lie. It's that we play by the rules. One rule you find in common anywhere is to tell the truth.

Interesting that you bring up my statements about lying in the same post where you decide to rip on your fellow Leo Clinton.

Oh, and it became a contest between signs when you posted three contemptable Capricorns in an effort to discredit Capricorns. Pretty simple, huh? You try to discredit me directly or indirectly, and I will return the favor. Thanks for letting me point out all those great Capricorns who preceded me.

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Your problem is that you now claim to be a McCain supporter but have stated the positions of the far radical left in regards to terrorism and the war in Iraq...which are positions John McCain has never, ever taken.

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First of all, I haven't stated positions from the far, radical left in regards to terrorism and the war in Iraq except in cases where said positions are in line with the views of moderate democrats.

Yes, I was a McCain supporter in the 2000 election. It's illogical to try to tie my backing of him in 2000 to his and my collective views in 2002. I will still say that he's a reasonable man, though. His views of his fellow Americans on the left are far cry from the close-minded, black and white views you take, and he does a far better job of making the case for why people should come to the right.

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And since support for and making excuses for terrorists, glorifying them even, seems to be your thing as well as being against removal of your friend Saddam, I wonder how that squares with your support of McCain...who would disavowal everything you've said about the reasons for terrorism and keeping Saddam in power.

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I wish that thread hadn't disappeared from when we discussed this, because nowhere did I make excuses or glorify terrorists. I did explain for your benefit the reasons Bin Laden was able to garner a terrorist network, but that is not making excuses or glorifying them.

posted June 07, 2005 02:38 PM            

Considering your opinion of America, the guilty, the oppressor and repressor of people of the world, isn't there some other country you like better?

Not one word in the interpretation of sun sign Capricorn which says Capricorns can't lie. Since you like sun sign astrology so much, here's your horoscope for today. "Today is not a good day for a luncheon appointment with a terrorist in Baghdad".

If I were looking for people who might lie, I would look for hard aspects to Mercury, especially Moon and perhaps Neptune. But that's just me Acoustic. I would never, ever under any circumstances assign lying or not lying to a sun sign.

That's right Acoustic, you said you can't lie because you're a Capricorn, so I showed you the falsity of that statement by showing you some lying Capricorns, 2 who were also the biggest mass murderers in history and one who was a garden variety murderer and liar. That wasn't saying anything about Capricorns, it was saying something about your statement, namely the falsity of your statement.

So Clinton is a Leo and Clinton is definitely a liar. I don't judge people by their signs, I judge people by what they do. You on the other hand like to start threads predicated on being biased against certain sun signs which is utterly foolish.

posted June 07, 2005 03:15 PM            

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Just wondering what you like about America, what you're proud of as an American (relating to what America is/has been/has done/stands for/has stood for/whatever)?
When watching you banter back and forth with Jwhop I've seen you (and others), speak acerbically about America in one breath, then say you love it in another. Just curious as to what exactly it is specifically that you love about your country?

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Gee, these lines sound pretty familiar!?

Most of us need to be mindful over the fact that when you address to the KKK(Kitsch Konsumer Korps) about things like your distaste like Dubya and his adimastration, your really(in they're minds) showing distaste for this country!

The Royal Saudi Family is Saudi Arabia just like Bush and his family and his cabinate and all of his generals, army, etc, is America and the rest of us are either "the good guys"(Bush sub-porters) and the ones against him are Russia Communist! And the ones that have no difference or say are nothing more than the mere Roma Peoples Bohemian Gypsies that plague this great nation with they're nomadic life styles and they're disenchanted discernments over the current system in this country!

posted June 08, 2005 03:39 PM            

Capricorns DON'T lie or EVER disregard the law? What kind of stupid, inane filth is that?

I have known several prominent Cappies that have broken the law, lied to get out of trouble and used unethical techniques to get ahead in business.

My FATHER is a Capricorn, with serveral planets in the sign of the goat. He lied for a living as an undercover agent. He LIED to my mother about his affairs. He may have been in law enforcement, but like he said "It was either become the criminal or the cop, both think on the same lines in order to understand each other."

A former VP of Finance I worked with was also a Super Cappy - He lied to employees about layoffs, he lied to his wife about his affair, he lied to the government about our taxes.

Here is an actual study concerning astrology and criminal acts. http://www.psychology-science.com/1-2003/pdf_04.pdf

From it you will see that Capricorn's are most likely to be convicted for dealing drugs , caught stealing, concealed information / crimes..etc...

STILL, with that study of 12,000 criminals, it was STRESSED that one cannot look at the SUN sign or even aspects to be truly indicative of a person's ability to lie, steal or commit a crime. It is the person who decides what path to take.

The same can be applied to Sun Sign traits. Just because some astro page says that Sagitarrians love to gamble is that true? I know just as many of my fellow Archers that don't like to gamble as those that do. Hell, I know more Bulls that enjoy the tables that Saggies - so what does that mean?

They say Sagittarians HATE lies, but do we tell them? Sometimes...

Are all Leo's actors seeking the stage? NO