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jwhop
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posted June 22, 2005 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello HillaryCare.

Do we want this?
June 22, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
Walter E. Williams
2005 Creators Syndicate, Inc.


America's socialists advocate that we adopt a universal health-care system like our northern neighbor Canada. Before we buy into complete socialization of our health care system, we might check out the Canadian Supreme Court's June 9 ruling in Chaoulli v. Quebec (Attorney General). It turns out that in order to prop up government-delivered medical care, Quebec and other Canadian provinces have outlawed private health insurance.

By a 4-to-3 decision, Canada's high court struck down Quebec's law that prohibits private medical insurance. With all of the leftist hype extolling the "virtues" of Canada's universal health-care system, you might wonder why any sane Canadian would want to purchase private insurance.


Plaintiffs Jacques Chaoulli, a physician, and his patient, George Zeliotis, launched their legal challenge to the government's monopolized health-care system after having had to wait a year for hip-replacement surgery. In finding for the plaintiffs, Canada's high court said:


The evidence in this case shows that delays in the public health-care system are widespread, and that, in some serious cases, patients die as a result of waiting lists for public health care. The evidence also demonstrates that the prohibition against private health insurance and its consequence of denying people vital health care result in physical and psychological suffering that meets a threshold test of seriousness.


Writing for the majority, Justice Marie Deschamps said:


Many patients on non-urgent waiting lists are in pain and cannot fully enjoy any real quality of life. The right to life and to personal inviolability is therefore affected by the waiting times.


The Vancouver, British Columbia-based Fraser Institute keeps track of Canadian waiting times for various medical procedures. According to the Fraser Institute's 14th annual edition of "Waiting Your Turn: Hospital Waiting Lists in Canada (2004)," total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, rose from 17.7 weeks in 2003 to 17.9 weeks in 2004. For example, depending on which Canadian province, an MRI requires a wait between 7 and 33 weeks.

Orthopedic surgery might require a wait of 14 weeks for a referral from a general practitioner to the specialist and then another 24 weeks from the specialist to treatment. That statistic might help explain why Cleveland, Ohio, has become Canada's hip-replacement center.

As reported in a December 2003 story by Kerri Houston for the Frontiers of Freedom Institute titled "Access Denied: Canada's Healthcare System Turns Patients into Victims," in some instances, patients die on the waiting list because they become too sick to tolerate a procedure. Canada's Prime Minister Paul Martin responded to the court's decision saying:


We're not going to have a two-tier health-care system in this country. What we want to do is strengthen the public health-care system.


That's the standard callous political response. He's telling Canadians to continue waiting, continue suffering and perhaps dying until the day comes when there's no more waiting. And though Canadian politicians can't give their citizens a date certain when there'll be no more waiting, they're determined to deny them alternatives to waiting for government-provided health care. I'd bet you the rent money that Prime Minister Martin and members of the Canadian Parliament don't have to wait months and years for a medical procedure.

I wonder just how many Americans would like to import Canada's health-care system, which prohibits the purchase of private insurance and private health-care services. In British Columbia, for example, Bill 82 provides that a physician can be fined up to $20,000 for accepting fees for surgery.

In my book, it's medical Naziism for government to prohibit a person who wishes to purchase medical services from doing so. But let's not look down our noses at our northern neighbors, for we too are well along the road toward medical Naziism.

Dr. Walter E. Williams is the John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44925

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alchemiest
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posted June 28, 2005 05:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Not having free healthcare dissuades a huge number of people from getting any medical attention altogether. This is at least as detrimental to their wellbeing as being put on a waiting list for medical attention, imo.
There are pros as well as cons for the system of free public healthcare.

Amendments can always be made in implementation to allow for private insurance. This would probably be easier for us than canada (in terms of red tape) since we haven't implemented such a system yet. Besides, even with completely privatized healthcare, the problem of waiting lists does exist, so it's not like a 100% privatized system is perfect (in that regard).

Incidentally, this problem of long waiting lists is also apparent in some EU countries with healthcare systems similar to Canada's, such as the UK. I'm not sure if private insurance is allowed there or nor though.

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alchemiest
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posted June 28, 2005 05:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, checked it and yes, private healthcare and insurance are both availble in the uK.

I don't know if this ahs led to a double system with private healthcare being very good and public healthcare being very bad. I've been to England but never had any reason to visit a doctor there so I can't say.

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posted June 28, 2005 08:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With all of the leftist hype extolling the "virtues" of Canada's universal health-care system, you might wonder why any sane Canadian would want to purchase private insurance.


Leftist? ummm what kind of news source is this? WTF?

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jwhop
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From: Madeira Beach, FL USA
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posted July 14, 2005 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NHS DENTAL CRISIS

Some two million people in Britain need Government help to find a dentist, MPs have said.

They have called on Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt to do more to help those who are unable to find an NHS dentist.


And the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee has said time is fast running out for the Government to put in place many of the reforms on dentistry it promised to carry out by April 2006.

Among the reforms listed was the new streamlined charging system.

Former chairman Edward Leigh said the committee's inquiry - carried out under his chairmanship in the last Parliament - had uncovered "dismaying" variations in dental health across England.

His report showed that adults in the North are twice as likely to have lost all their teeth than southerners.

Mr Leigh said: "It is well and good that 12-year-old children in England have healthier teeth than their European counterparts. But the wide variations in oral health within this country are dismaying."

Health Minister Rosie Winterton said in a statement: "We are investing an extra £368m in improving NHS dentistry, are on track to recruit the equivalent of 1,000 dentists by October this year, and we are increasing the number of student dental places by 25%."

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13386869,00.html

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