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Tranquil Poet
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posted June 24, 2005 10:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pentagon Creating Database of High School Students
Privacy Advocates Say Recruitment Effort Goes Too Far


(Jun. 23) - As U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan continues, the Pentagon -- which has fallen short of its recruitment goals -- is using new means to find potential recruits.

Working with the private marketing firm BeNow, Inc. of Wakefield, Mass., the Pentagon has created a huge database of millions of high school students, aged 16 to 18.



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After failing to meet recruiting goals, the Pentagon is working with a private firm to create a database on high school students.

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The database includes names, dates of birth, genders, addresses, Social Security numbers, e-mail addresses, ethnicity, telephone numbers, and even grade point averages.

The purpose, according to a Defense Department statement, is "to assist" in "direct marketing recruiting efforts."

Privacy Advocates Concerned

But privacy advocates say it violates a federal law that restricts the government's ability to gather personal information. They say they understand the military's need to recruit but this type of information-gathering goes too far.

"It's very secretive," said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center. "It feels a lot like a big brother proposal, and it really should be stopped."

The Pentagon -- struggling to recruit in the face of the daily violence in Iraq -- says the database is a way to remain competitive in a marketplace where young people have a lot of choices.

Officials say they will handle the data with care.

"We always worry about privacy issues," Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said.

A growing number of parents were already upset about the military's recruiting techniques. A little-known provision in the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" education law requires every public school to provide the military with the names, addresses and phone numbers of students.

Last month, Louise Wannier went to her daughter's high school to submit an opt-out letter, which prohibits recruiters from accessing personal information.

She learned today about the new database, which may have much more information on her daughter than she'd ever imagined.

"I thought I had protected my kid," she said. "This is a direct violation of family privacy and parental rights."

Privacy advocates and at least one congressman are now fighting to stop the gathering of information for the database.

ABC News' Dan Harris filed this report for "World News Tonight."

Copyright 2005 ABC News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


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jwhop
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posted June 24, 2005 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Go Pentagon!

If schools are too good to permit representatives of the United States Government on their campuses, then all Federal funding to that school district and perhaps the state as well, should be cut off...immediately. Then, radical leftist school districts and radical activist parents could pay for the leftist indoctrination of their children on their own dime.

Were it up to me, there would be a military draft of all high school graduates, upon graduation, no exceptions..except for extreme physical disability. 2 years of military service to America for those living in America sounds about right to me.

You would go right to the top of my draft list TP because God knows you could use a healthy dose of duty, honor and country.

Or, you could immigrate TP...which would be my first choice.

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Tranquil Poet
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posted June 24, 2005 11:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah Jwhop only you would agree with something like that.


Even if it is playing around it's still sad to see you would agree with something like that.


I bet you wouldn't be laughing if it was your kid.

You should go first. It's not like anyone would miss you if you died anyways.

It just shows no one really supports this oil war.

Only old men like you living in small towns that believe everything they are told would support it.


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posted June 24, 2005 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you give me just one "legitimate" reason why you shouldn't serve your country with your body...instead of serving the interests of America's enemies with your mouth?

It would almost be worth the price of admission just to see you try out your spiel on a drill instructor.

SERGEANT! Permission to speak!

Bush sucks
Cheney sucks
the military sucks
America sucks
Sgt. Gomez sucks

I always plan ahead TP. I know you would fail in the military but then there's always Club Leavenworth....that's in Kansas and Kansas is a state in the United States. I wouldn't ordinarily point that out but you're a product of the NY public school system. I can tell.

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posted June 24, 2005 12:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, yeah, jwop, why wait until high school? We can start early...teach them to march when they start walking...start kindergarten in cammo....issue an M-16 when they enter jr high...by the time they get to graduation forget college....they'll be ready for the big time.....WAR!!!!!

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posted June 24, 2005 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good idea Saturn's Child. Why don't you put that in a memo and forward it to Bush and Rumsfeld?

BTW, judging from the site associated with that photo, your location...just left of center, is a gross understatement.

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posted June 24, 2005 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn,

That is such an completely asinine statement. I won't even respond further as it is obvious you have no idea what the military is designed to do nor do you have a clue as to the importance of the recruiting process.

jhwop,

You are absolutely right. If a public school will not allow recruiters onto their property, then they should not be allowed gov funding. That is exactly why we have private schools (that can freely teach religion without answering to the government) which are not eligible for publc funds.

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posted June 24, 2005 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Pid, I couldn't agree more. Education is a state responsibility. The federal government has been helping out for years. Bush has increased federal aid to education more than 40% since the passage of the No Child Left Behind Act and there were significant increases in his budgets before that.

So, if an agency of the government is seen as the enemy by certain school districts, then let them raise local property taxes and take care of their own responsibilities.

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posted June 24, 2005 08:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Piduau, Is your entire worldview based on assumption? You assume my political bent, my level of intellegence, my sexual values, and now my knowledge/experience with the military. Truth is, you know too little so you assume things. Now that is truly assinine!!!

jwop, You've no clue about anything to do with me. The location I chose has not one thing to do with politics. I did not read nor even scan the page where the photo was found. I simply googled kids in uniform and there it was. I guess you are high on assumption as well.

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posted June 24, 2005 10:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the Hitlerjugend rides again? fantastic!

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Petron
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posted June 24, 2005 10:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i would be quick to endorse universal military service if the forces werent being directed by corrupt aristocrats serving their own interests instead of the interests of America......

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posted June 25, 2005 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ozonefiller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hey Pid, I couldn't agree more. Education is a state responsibility. The federal government has been helping out for years. Bush has increased federal aid to education more than 40% since the passage of the No Child Left Behind Act and there were significant increases in his budgets before that.So, if an agency of the government is seen as the enemy by certain school districts, then let them raise local property taxes and take care of their own responsibilities.

Yeah, like if that really helps kids with learning disabilities, maybe if they are lucky, they'll be able to graduate by the time they reach the age a 34!

What does "the rich" care, they have private tutoring for they're children anyway!

That's probably why they lack empathy for mere ordinary Americans and international citizens abroad!

You guys need to take a step outside your "Ivory Towers" every once in a while!

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If schools are too good to permit representatives of the United States Government on their campuses, then all Federal funding to that school district and perhaps the state as well, should be cut off...immediately. Then, radical leftist school districts and radical activist parents could pay for the leftist indoctrination of their children on their own dime.

Were it up to me, there would be a military draft of all high school graduates, upon graduation, no exceptions..except for extreme physical disability. 2 years of military service to America for those living in America sounds about right to me.


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jhwop,

You are absolutely right. If a public school will not allow recruiters onto their property, then they should not be allowed gov funding. That is exactly why we have private schools (that can freely teach religion without answering to the government) which are not eligible for publc funds.


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i would be quick to endorse universal military service if the forces werent being directed by corrupt aristocrats serving their own interests instead of the interests of America......

Well ya know Petron, it seems to me that people like JW and Pid just can't wait to see this country go into a system that the next form of government would only include lords, vassals and fiefs!


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Tranquil Poet
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posted June 25, 2005 11:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More like war lords.


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That is such an completely asinine statement. I won't even respond further as it is obvious you have no idea what the military is designed to do nor do you have a clue as to the importance of the recruiting process.


Wow she is so cool!

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Tranquil Poet
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posted June 26, 2005 12:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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2 years of military service to America for those living in America sounds about right to me.

I think you mean North America?


Unless you meant all the americas....north america, central america, and south america.

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MAGUS of MUSIC
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posted June 26, 2005 03:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

DAMN IT DAMN IT DMAN IT

jplop- You realy are a real work of art! You slimy piece of sh!$ !!! You are my prime example of americans who just refuse to truly open their eyes and look at whats happening around here, and beyond our borders. You slimy sack of %$#&. Not even my own fathers words can make as discusted and wretchedly sick as what you just said.

I swear if you lived as little as even 2 states away from me I would find you rite now and show you a little disciplin, courage, and pent up rage while Im at it.

Our children shouldnt be mandatorily drafted for any reason untill we clean the crap that minds like yours have given all of the power to here in our own land.

Again Mr.Bigbut little pr!$k- I am far from a happy hippy anti war protester.

The second more americans finnaly get sick of uncle Sam with his great "electric eye in the sky", as he abuses all of his power and gatherd so called inteligence,, and finnaly put this discustingly corrupted government in check with TRUE DUTY< HONOR< and COUNTRY,,

I hope your neighboorhood is the first my division's front line gets to form against. My sights pointin strait for the middle of your eyes budy.

Just for DUTY HONOR and COUNTRY. Remember, I and the few like me- are the real American Patriots. Your vile breed and mentality are exactly the ignorance that has poluted and poisoned everrything that used to be the essence of pure freedome and Liberty of this formerly great nation.

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posted June 26, 2005 03:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey MM ....

although i admire your fiery passion......i would ask you not to throw the blatant insults at jwhop like that......thats just stooping to the same level as most of the rightwing media pundits that i'm always complaining about....

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posted June 26, 2005 03:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

oh yeah-

by the way, your words of mindless programing [duty, honor, and country]

they do indeed stir old memories from the depths of my soul. Ive heard their like before. Much so, much so.

Only last time I heard them, I was not only foolish enough to buy into them without thinking a few steps ahead,,, I also didnt know them in the english language.

The words were German, and they where phrased as-

- Blut Und Heir,-

and they were on my nice little Hitler youth brigade knife as well. Realy though, it was so cute, being only 12 years old, all decked out, trained and programed to do my country and honor justice by doing every little thing I was told. But hey, it was for blood, honor and country, and the Furher of course !!! A trained elite efficiant killer I was before even the age of 16.

Maybe america should pass legislation that demands alll children attend a W youth brigade while we are at it ? Why not, it worked very well for the guy with the funny mustache !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted June 26, 2005 03:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Petron-

You are right. I shouldnt resort to direct insutls ever....

This guy just had me flippin when I saw his vile words on invasion of privacy, and what we should do regarding our natioins children.

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You are my prime example of americans who just refuse to truly open their eyes and look at whats happening around here, and beyond our borders

I know what you mean MM I have seen people like that. Even my mother says they seem to be brain washed.


Jwhop.........come back to earth.

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posted June 26, 2005 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I swear if you lived as little as even 2 states away from me I would find you rite now and show you a little disciplin, courage, and pent up rage while Im at it.

Well Magus of Mucous, do you need a vacation? Because all that would get you is some time in a convalesce hospital. You see, it's this way, you're not talking to a little leftist puke who's only reflex when challenged is to surrender.

Now if you would really like to come down for a visit ace, let me know and I'll email my address to Randall, who can forward it to you.

The only thing you really need to know hotshot is that on the best day of your life and the worst day of mine, you couldn't take me.

Hope that clears everything up for you but if not and you want to follow through with something more than your big mouth, I'll most certainly accommodate you.

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posted June 26, 2005 07:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jwhop gets angry when people prove him wrong.

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posted June 26, 2005 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've still got you at the top of my draft list TP and when you screw up, as you most certainly would, there's a nice cell for you at Club Leavenworth.

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Tranquil Poet
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posted June 26, 2005 07:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
draft list LOL


Now the old man is going crazy. He seems to think he has some type of authority. how funny!

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posted June 26, 2005 08:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hey jplop-

Its on,,, but when and how I wish it to be. Im gona have a smile on my face when I have you Shi#in your grimy pants.

And one last time , get it through your thick dinasour prehistoric skull--

Theres a whole and entire universe of worlds out there for those who wish to recognise an existence beyond the left and rite.

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