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posted September 25, 2005 09:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anti-War Fervor Fills the Streets

By Petula Dvorak
The Washington Post

Sunday 25 September 2005

Demonstration is largest in capital since US military invaded Iraq.


Tens of thousands of people packed downtown Washington yesterday and marched past the White House in the largest show of antiwar sentiment in the nation's capital since the conflict in Iraq began.

The demonstration drew grandmothers in wheelchairs and babies in strollers, military veterans in fatigues and protest veterans in tie-dye. It was the first time in a decade that protest groups had a permit to march in front of the executive mansion, and, even though President Bush was not there, the setting seemed to electrify the crowd.

Signs, T-shirts, slogans and speeches outlined the cost of the Iraq conflict in human as well as economic terms. They memorialized dead U.S. troops and Iraqis, and contrasted the price of war with the price of recovery for areas battered by hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Riffs on Vietnam-era protests were plentiful, with messages declaring, "Make Levees, Not War," "I never thought I'd miss Nixon" and "Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam." Many in the crowd had protested in the 1960s; others weren't even born during those tumultuous years.

Protest organizers estimated that 300,000 people participated, triple their original target. D.C. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, who walked the march route, said the protesters achieved the goal of 100,000 and probably exceeded it. Asked whether at least 150,000 showed up, the chief said, "That's as good a guess as any.

"It's their protest, not mine. It was peaceful -- that's all I care about." Ramsey said.

The protesters rallied at the Ellipse, then marched through a misty drizzle around the White House and along Pennsylvania Avenue NW. The crowd thinned as events continued into the evening with a concert on the grounds of the Washington Monument that featured Joan Baez and other performers, along with antiwar speeches.

The police presence along the demonstration's route seemed more relaxed than at recent protests, although D.C. police and U.S. Park Police had hundreds of officers in place to deal with potential trouble. Police said a construction fence was torn down and a newspaper box damaged, but they reported no injuries or major problems. They said three people were arrested -- one on a charge of destruction of property, one on a charge of attempted theft and one on a charge of disorderly conduct.

More than 200 counter-demonstrators set up outside the FBI building on Pennsylvania Avenue, and some back-and-forth yelling occurred as the antiwar marchers moved past. "Shame on you! Shame on you!" one counter-protester shouted at the antiwar group. Several dozen officers stood between the two groups, and no trouble erupted, police said.

Some organizations supporting the war in Iraq plan to demonstrate today on the Mall.

Antiwar groups staged smaller rallies yesterday in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, London, Rome and other cities. In Washington, the events were sponsored by groups including the ANSWER Coalition and United for Peace and Justice and focused on a succinct theme: "End the War in Iraq and Bring the Troops Home Now."

Roughly 147,000 U.S. troops are in Iraq. Since the war began in March 2003, 1,911 U.S. members of the military have been killed and 14,641 have been wounded.

The protest groups helped organize caravans and carpools, and many participants began arriving early in the morning after bumpy, all-night bus rides.

Leslie Darling, 60, came from Cleveland with four friends and said it was her first antiwar protest. She said she was moved by what happened after Hurricane Katrina.

"It made clear that while we spend all this money trying to impose our will on other countries, here at home in our own country, we can't take care of each other," she said.
When the bus coming from Kalamazoo, Mich., pulled up to Freedom Plaza on Pennsylvania Avenue, Sister Maureen Metty, 56, stretched her legs and prepared for a brand-new experience.

"There were 250 sisters who wanted to be here today, but I'm the one they chose to send," she said. She carried a sign that read "Sisters of St. Joseph's for Peace," a folding stool and a backpack with snacks, her toothbrush and toothpaste. She snapped a flurry of pictures for the sisters back home, took a deep breath and headed into the crowd.

People came to the Mall and Ellipse in waves. Organizers said that several thousand never got there because of an Amtrak breakdown on the New York-to-Washington line in the morning. Others who took Metro faced delays because of repairs on the Yellow and Blue lines.

Once protesters arrived, they joined throngs headed toward the rally on the Ellipse, which featured numerous speakers, including the Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, actress Jessica Lange and Cindy Sheehan, the California woman who drew thousands of demonstrators to her 26-day vigil outside Bush's Crawford, Tex., ranch last month and was the inspiration for many protesters yesterday. Her son, Casey, 24, was killed in Iraq last year.

"This is amazing!" Sheehan said. "You're part of history."

Bush was not around to hear the protesters filing past the White House. He spent the day at command centers in Texas and Colorado, where he assessed Hurricane Rita recovery efforts. Vice President Cheney was undergoing surgery at George Washington University Hospital to treat aneurysms on the back of his knees.

Bush and Cheney were depicted on posters, T-shirts and in makeshift costumes. Several demonstrators wore masks of Bush's likeness and prison jumpsuits. They were often asked to pose for photographs.

Many protesters said they had opposed the action in Iraq all along but were emboldened to demonstrate after polls showed that a majority of Americans disapprove of Bush's handling of the war.

The masses on the street served up a broad cross section of the United States by age, geography religion and ethnic group. The Raging Grannies, Presbyterians for Peace, Portuguese Against Bush and a group of Quakers were there. The Buddhist Peace Delegation took up most of 14th Street NW with its golden banner that read: "May all beings be safe and free from anger, fear, greed, dilution and all ill being."

Protest organizers made special note of military participants in the antiwar effort.

Army 1st Sgt. Frank Cookinham, with a Special Forces patch on one shoulder, scorpion tattoos crawling across the back of his neck and "LOCO" permanently inked on his Adam's apple stands out in most crowds. He was pretty uncomfortable yesterday.

"I've never done this before, but here I am, in uniform, figuring this is the only way I can shove it to Bush," said Cookinham, of Newport, R.I., a Persian Gulf War veteran who recently returned from a second tour in Iraq. "This war makes no sense."

Marching past the Treasury Building, Steven Olsen, 57, and his wife, Brenda, 49, of Yonkers, N.Y., held signs bearing a photo of their son, an Army Reserve sergeant sent to Iraq after enrolling in medical school.

"I hear from him about once a month," said Brenda as her husband gently waved a placard that said, "Proud of my soldier: Ashamed of this war."

Staff writers Karlyn Barker, Jo Becker, Susan Levine, David Nakamura, Robert E. Pierre, Amit R. Paley and Del Quentin Wilber contributed to this report.

(I watched this on C-Span.....)

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LibraSparkle
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posted September 25, 2005 09:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Make levees, not war!

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TINK
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posted September 25, 2005 09:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LS ~ LOL!!!

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Rainbow~
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posted September 26, 2005 12:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The PRO-WAR rally was held today in DC....they had a whopping 400 people in attendance...

I watched some of this on C-Span today too, and their turnout looked pretty pitiful compared to the numbers that showed up for the anti-war rally....

I wonder if this doesn't speak volumes to the likes of Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Hanity?

Actually, I really doubt it. They'll probably try to convince their zombie-like sheeple ditto heads, that the Saturday rally was done with smoke and mirrors...

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posted September 26, 2005 02:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... she said "sheeple"

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posted September 26, 2005 12:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Is that okay?"

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Mainstream media shows ineptness and irrelevance at the antiwar demonstration in Washington

Stewart Nusbaumer

Washington, DC -- Of the hundred or more speakers at the antiwar protest in Washington -- no one in their right mind could listen to all of them -- I heard only one say that “the media is not doing its job.” That was Cindy Sheehan. The mother of a son killed in Iraq, who last month camped out in a ditch near President Bush’s Texas ranch and ignited antiwar sentiment throughout the country, said what nearly every one of the tens of thousands of protestors was thinking. The mainstream media is doing a truly dismal job in covering the antiwar movement.

In the media “pen” next to the speakers’ platform, journalists mill around. Some interview celebrities -- right now, George Galloway the British firebrand and Jim Hightower the Texan populist are being interviewed. Other reporters listen to the speeches -- Leslie Cagen, national coordinator for United Peace and Justice is on the podium – mercifully, their speeches are kept short. Photographers snap away, while camera crews film. Occasionally a journalist leans over the fence and asks a regular demonstrator some questions, but not often. The real story is never the tens of thousands of antiwar demonstrators, most of the time the real story is the demonstration is not even covered.

“Who’s that?” a middle-aged blond journalist, in an impatient tone, asks me. Her attractive blue eyes are edgy and narrow. I could tell she expected me to give her a quick answer.

“That’s Ramsey Clark,” I say. Only a few feet away, half a dozen reporters are circling the frail elderly statesman of the political Left, microphones are shoved within inches of his face. I fear a over-caffeinated journalist might bash his teeth out.

“Who’s that?” she snaps back, appearing irritated with my answer.

“You mean you don’t know who Ramsey Clark is?”

“Who’s that?” she repeats yet again, evidently believing journalism is the art of persistence and little else.

“He was the Attorney General in the Kennedy Administration, and I think the Johnson Administration, and a fixture ever since in the antiwar movement and Left’s causes. In the 90s he --”

“Oh,” she says, and then walks away in the opposite direction. I glimpse at her press credentials, which indicate she is a reporter for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Soon there is a heavy rush of journalists to the far side of the pen. “Back up,” the tall, lanky United for Peace and Justice media coordinator pleads. “We need a circle here.” The mob presses forward. “We can’t start until….” The mob holds its ground. “Please, back up!”

“Who’s that?” a tall red-headed journalist asks. I feel my forehead, making sure there is not an “information” sign there. He’s young, maybe in his mid-20s. Ok, I think, he's at least young. In the circle of crushing journalists is a tall blond-haired woman, who I immediately recognize as Cindy Sheehan. And there is the perennial media star, Jesse Jackson.

“It’s Cindy Sheehan,” I tell the reporter from the Allegany County News, according to his press ID. He stares at me. “You know who she is, don’t you?” He continues staring, mouth slightly open. “Look,” his face lights up, “there’s Jesse Jackson.”

“He’s not who everyone wants to question,” I say dismissively. “They are there for Cindy. You know, the woman whose son died in Iraq and camped outside of Bush’s ranch?”


Oh, yeah” he says slowly. “But they’re there for Jesse Jackson.”

“No, I was just at a news conference in New York, everyone ignored Al Sharpton -- yesterday‘s news. The media mobbed Cindy.”

“No, they’re there for Jesse,” he insists.

“Look, I don’t care. Go over there, you can ask Jesse any question you want. No one else is.”

Michael Cull is not a journalist, and he doesn't want to be one. Strongly opposed to the Iraq War, he came all the way from Palmer, Alaska to the Washington demonstration. He eerily resembles Dick Cheney, but I decide not to tell him that. “The media is on trial,” his clear blue eyes sparkle with intensity. “Actually, I say to hell with them.”

He notes that The New York Times buried its article on the demonstration, and The Washington Post carried nothing in its Saturday paper that could have informed interested readers of the antiwar events. “Maybe forgetting about the mainstream media is one of the good things that will come out of this event," Cull says. "We have Air America and others, we’re creating our own progressive media.”


Indeed, the throngs that came to Washington will often convey more in their email exchanges than you are likely to glean from the mainstream media. And maybe Michael Cull is correct, we need to focus more on developing a strong, dynamic media than continue to be disappointed in the narrow, corporate media.

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posted September 26, 2005 03:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just heard on CNN news that Cindy Sheehan was arrested for sitting on the sidewalk!

No more details were given....

Cheer up Cindy....maybe you'll get Martha Stewart's cell...it should be fairly pleasant....ya know, curtains, rugs, pictures...*sigh*


It sure makes me feel "safe" to know that our up to snuff law enforcement officers are putting those hardened criminals away.....maybe one day, they'll even get the shrub himself...

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Inside the White House, presidential spokesman Scott McClellan parried questions about the protest going on just beyond the gates.

Bush is "very much aware of the people here who have come to Washington, D.C., some to express support for the steps that we're taking and a number of others that have expressed a different view," McClellan said. "It's the right of the American people to peacefully express their views."



http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N26145327.htm

"Some to express support for the steps what we're taking...and a number of "others" that have expressed a different view!"

I LOVE THAT SPIN!

Didja notice how he spoke of support for Bush and company first (as tho the small smattering of their supporters could even COMPARE to the anti-war protesters!)

They're not livin' in the real world!

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posted September 26, 2005 05:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I went to one with my mother 2 years ago here in New York City. There are lots of people that go. Different nationalities...the young and the old. all blending in together and trying to make a difference by telling the president to go **** himself.



Jim Watson, AFP / Getty Images
Dozens of photographers and reporters gather around anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan at


United States Park police arrest Sheehan outside the White House after she would not obey an order to move.


How barbaric



Cindy Sheehan, center, blows a kiss at Saturday's anti-war protest in Washington.

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posted September 26, 2005 11:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CINDY SHEEHAN
(lexigram)

SEE CINDY'S SAD EYES?

SCENE IS NO EDEN, AS CINDY SEE(S) CASEY DIE!

SCENE IS A HEATED HADES!

SHE IS SAD AS SHE SEE(S) INSANE SIN(S)

CINDY SAID, "END INSANE SIN(S)!"

IS CINDY IN NEED?

YES!

AID CINDY

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posted September 27, 2005 12:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'course its okay, !

I just thought it was clever and funny.

Never heard of "sheeple" before! I love it!

I'm gonna have to use it!

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posted September 27, 2005 12:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*whew* Glad to hear that Sparkling Libra...

Actually I cannot take credit for the clever use of the word, "sheeple." I've seen it used before, and thought, "How perfect! How absolutely perfect!"

Last night I was watching Faux News (aka Fox News) and wanted to throw up when I saw their blantantly obvious slanted spin on the events in DC....

Cindy, of course, was made to look ridiculous, while comments from the small smattering of "patriotic" individiuals who showed up for the pro-war rally, were magnified way out of proportion...I wanted to throw up....it was so sickening....

As for Bill O'Reilly, he didn't use the "smoke and mirrors" excuse for the huge, huge, turnout at the anti-war rally....instead, he called them all "loons!" thereby justifying their appearance, to all his "open-mouthed sheeple" who must have been wondering what he** was going on, and of course the sheeple bought it, since it came from the powerful talking head - Bill O'Reilly!

The other networks hardly gave it any mention at all, choosing to ignore the significance of this huge turnout! *sigh*
But then we know who controls the media, don't we?

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posted September 27, 2005 01:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes we do


Especially fox news. Shhh Bush has a family member who works there.

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posted September 27, 2005 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I honestly don't see the turnout as significant. Polls had already put the administration into crisis mode. I think everyone already knew that support for the war was waning. Even FoxNews reported Bush losing the support of important conservative people who had initially supported the war. Remarkably, some of these were people who contributed to FoxNews themselves.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169041,00.html

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posted September 27, 2005 02:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra Sparkle......just for you....

So you can see what one of those "sheeple" look like......

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posted September 27, 2005 02:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I honestly don't see the turnout as significant

Really, AG?

Over 300,000 gathered in DC to protest the war and you don't see it as significant????

How many people would it take for you to see any significance in it? *sigh*

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posted September 27, 2005 02:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...or maybe what you were saying was that the huge turnout didn't surprise you.......even expecting it tho, I would hope that you could find significance in it....*sigh* I SURE DID!

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posted September 27, 2005 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even your article said 150,000 is as good a guess as any.

I'm not an activist myself, and while I've never supported the war I wouldn't march on Washington even at this stage. What did it accomplish in reality? Not a whole lot, except perhaps making democrats look like unrealistic, emotional people.

The reason I wouldn't participate in something like this at this stage is that I don't believe we're at a place in this war where we can just call the whole thing off and leave, so protest or no protest our options aren't changing. A protest that offers no reasonable answer or course of action is impotent in my book. Meanwhile the Bush administration is learning how badly they screwed up, and are now trying to find ways to get this ended and over with, and I don't think that had to do with the protest but rather mounting political pressure.

I think that if people want to march they should march for something that can be acted upon like gay marriage.

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I think that if people want to march they should march for something that can be acted upon like gay marriage.

I think that as long as both innocent soldiers and Iraqis keep paying for this war....the protests won't stop.

It takes alot for a person to actually go to an anti war protest instead of laying on there a$$es all day.


It just shows who actually gives a damn. It's not about the outcome. It's about wanting to be heard.


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posted September 27, 2005 05:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually AG....I don't know you that well, as we've not had much interaction with each other on these threads....(I think you represent the youth of the Cappys, while I represent a Cappy who's been around for quite awhile....longer than Jwhop, yet).

As for me, I was never an activist either, having only taken up an interest in politics later in life. But what I'm seeing now....is very scary....I have kids, and grandkids....*sigh*

Anyway, to clear up some things about what I posted........I will put your comments about it, in BOLD LETTERS (to try and keep things from getting confusing here), and then try and address them.....

AG: Even your article said 150,000 is as good a guess as any
And it looks like that's just what is was - "a guess."

The WASHINGTON POST article by Petula Dvorak said........"the police chief Charles H. Ramsey, said 'that's a good a guess as any,' when asked if at least 150,000 showed up."

However, here is perspective from a participant.....

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I was there for the march on 9/24.
Based on what I observed and experienced, the Washington DC police chief's estimate of 150,000 people was extremely low. My wife and I marched at the end of the procession, which followed a 1.4 mile course, including a pass in front of the White House.

We carried our mock coffin draped with an American flag. (Ours was one of about 150 other mock coffins which enabled the American public to finally see at least see a representation of the Americans who have died in Iraq). It took us six hours to complete the march. We moved quite slowly due the number of people joining the procession along the way.

The people leading the march actually got to the White House before we even started to move. Along the route, I saw throngs of thousands of supporters lining the streets. The Ellipse, the area surrounding the Washington Monument, and several adjacent parks were filled with demonstrators, before, during and after the march. ANSWER, one of the demonstration's organizers, estimated that there were 300,000 participants. Truthout.org put the number closer to 500,000. Based on what I witnessed, I estimate the number fell somewhere between the two.


AG: The reason I wouldn't participate in something like this at this stage is that I don't believe we're at a place in this war where we can just call the whole thing off and leave, so protest or no protest our options aren't changing. A protest that offers no reasonable answer or course of action is impotent in my book

Once again, an actual quote from the same participant.....

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The Friends Committee simply wants a commitment that our multi-trillion dollar war machine will leave Iraq once the situation there has stabilized. I agree with those who have stated that it would be irresponsible for the US to pull out of Iraq immediately and leave the country in a chaos that our military industrial complex created.

AG: I think that if people want to march they should march for something that can be acted upon like gay marriage.

The participant says they did.....

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Speakers at the rally called for increased rights for blacks, women, gays, Hispanics, and other minorities.

Find entire article here....

http://www.rense.com/general67/epi.htm

Love,
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posted September 27, 2005 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't feel offended by your reply, nor am I looking to criticize you. I feel like we're on the same page. I'm just not giving into the sensationalism of a massive march. You are free to feel how you want about it. I'm still not convinced of anything particularly significant in this.

To explain myself, we were already planning on leaving Iraq whenever the Iraqi government tells us to, so I still don't really feel that there's a point to the demonstration.

It comes down to the Serenity Prayer for me. I think people should have the wisdom to know the difference. If you're going to demonstrate, demonstrate for something practical. The policy decision has already been made with regard to occupation, and it was made a long time ago now.

To me it's like calling to check up on something you already know is going to happen. You order a pizza. They tell you 45 minutes. You call back in 40 minutes just to make sure it's coming. They already told you (and the world in this case) that it's coming.

I'd still be more impressed if the emphasis had been switched to civil rights, because fair is fair (and it's a practical cause and something that needs to be addressed).

You know what I mean?

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I just want to say that it is our right to protest for or against the war. I don't think that the low turn out for the pro-war is indicative of support.

I support the war as do many people that I know and work with (even though the majority of people in my business are liberal only a few have spoken out against the war. That is not because they are afraid of retribution, since being a Pubbie is actually more cause for getting your butt kicked in this county than anything else).

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I don't feel offended by your reply, nor am I looking to criticize you. I feel like we're on the same page.

Glad you're not offended AG...it was not my intention to offend you... ...

....just wanted to point out some of the things you might have missed in the post....and you're right....we're both entitled to our feelings...
That's what so cool around here.....we can "express" til the cows come home....

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I'd still be more impressed if the emphasis had been switched to civil rights, because fair is fair (and it's a practical cause and something that needs to be addressed.)

You know what I mean?


I DO know what you mean, AG.,having watched my father who was a full blood Native Ameican suffer discrimination at the hands of "white people."

Was punished in a "white" school he was made to attend, if he commited the "sin" of talking in his own language...

Also....

.....back in the 40's he could not walk into a bar and order a beer, because "they didn't serve Indians..."

....among other things....so I am aware....

....and while Saturday's rally didn't exactly EMPHASIZE the civil rights issue....it was addressed....

I was very impressed by the numbers that showed up for the rally, and I think it really didn't go unnoticed - in spite of Bush's absence...and the media hardly giving it any attention....*sigh*

Love,
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posted September 27, 2005 08:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Pid....

Yup....we have that right, huh...

Love,
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