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pidaua
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posted September 27, 2005 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
September 27, 2005

BATON ROUGE, La. — Maj. Ed Bush recalled how he stood in the bed of a pickup truck in the days after Hurricane Katrina, struggling to help the crowd outside the Louisiana Superdome separate fact from fiction. Armed only with a megaphone and scant information, he might have been shouting into, well, a hurricane.

The National Guard spokesman's accounts about rescue efforts, water supplies and first aid all but disappeared amid the roar of a 24-hour rumor mill at New Orleans' main evacuation shelter. Then a frenzied media recycled and amplified many of the unverified reports.

"It just morphed into this mythical place where the most unthinkable deeds were being done," Bush said Monday of the Superdome.

His assessment is one of several in recent days to conclude that newspapers and television exaggerated criminal behavior in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, particularly at the overcrowded Superdome and Convention Center.

The New Orleans Times-Picayune on Monday described inflated body counts, unverified "rapes," and unconfirmed sniper attacks as among examples of "scores of myths about the dome and Convention Center treated as fact by evacuees, the media and even some of New Orleans' top officials."

Indeed, Mayor C. Ray Nagin told a national television audience on "Oprah" three weeks ago of people "in that frickin' Superdome for five days watching dead bodies, watching hooligans killing people, raping people."

Journalists and officials who have reviewed the Katrina disaster blamed the inaccurate reporting in large measure on the breakdown of telephone service, which prevented dissemination of accurate reports to those most in need of the information. Race may have also played a factor.

The wild rumors filled the vacuum and seemed to gain credence with each retelling — that an infant's body had been found in a trash can, that sharks from Lake Pontchartrain were swimming through the business district, that hundreds of bodies had been stacked in the Superdome basement.

"It doesn't take anything to start a rumor around here," Louisiana National Guard 2nd Lt. Lance Cagnolatti said at the height of the Superdome relief effort. "There's 20,000 people in here. Think when you were in high school. You whisper something in someone's ear. By the end of the day, everyone in school knows the rumor — and the rumor isn't the same thing it was when you started it."

Follow-up reporting has discredited reports of a 7-year-old being raped and murdered at the Superdome, roving bands of armed gang members attacking the helpless, and dozens of bodies being shoved into a freezer at the Convention Center.

Hyperbolic reporting spread through much of the media.

Fox News, a day before the major evacuation of the Superdome began, issued an "alert" as talk show host Alan Colmes reiterated reports of "robberies, rapes, carjackings, riots and murder. Violent gangs are roaming the streets at night, hidden by the cover of darkness."

The Los Angeles Times adopted a breathless tone the next day in its lead news story, reporting that National Guard troops "took positions on rooftops, scanning for snipers and armed mobs as seething crowds of refugees milled below, desperate to flee. Gunfire crackled in the distance."

The New York Times repeated some of the reports of violence and unrest, but the newspaper usually was more careful to note that the information could not be verified.

The tabloid Ottawa Sun reported unverified accounts of "a man seeking help gunned down by a National Guard soldier" and "a young man run down and then shot by a New Orleans police officer."

London's Evening Standard invoked the future-world fantasy film "Mad Max" to describe the scene and threw in a "Lord of the Flies" allusion for good measure.

Televised images and photographs affirmed the widespread devastation in one of America's most celebrated cities.

"I don't think you can overstate how big of a disaster New Orleans is," said Kelly McBride, ethics group leader at the Poynter Institute, a Florida school for professional journalists. "But you can imprecisely state the nature of the disaster. … Then you draw attention away from the real story, the magnitude of the destruction, and you kind of undermine the media's credibility."

Times-Picayune Editor Jim Amoss cited telephone breakdowns as a primary cause of reporting errors, but said the fact that most evacuees were poor African Americans also played a part.

"If the dome and Convention Center had harbored large numbers of middle class white people," Amoss said, "it would not have been a fertile ground for this kind of rumor-mongering."

Some of the hesitation that journalists might have had about using the more sordid reports from the evacuation centers probably fell away when New Orleans' top officials seemed to confirm the accounts.

Nagin and Police Chief Eddie Compass appeared on "Oprah" a few days after trouble at the Superdome had peaked.

Compass told of "the little babies getting raped" at the Superdome. And Nagin made his claim about hooligans raping and killing.

State officials this week said their counts of the dead at the city's two largest evacuation points fell far short of early rumors and news reports. Ten bodies were recovered from the Superdome and four from the Convention Center, said Bob Johannessen, spokesman for the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals.

(National Guard officials put the body count at the Superdome at six, saying the other four bodies came from the area around the stadium.)

Of the 841 recorded hurricane-related deaths in Louisiana, four are identified as gunshot victims, Johannessen said. One victim was found in the Superdome but was believed to have been brought there, and one was found at the Convention Center, he added.

Relief workers said that while the media hyped criminal activity, plenty of real suffering did occur at the Katrina relief centers.

"The hurricane had just passed, you had massive trauma to the city," said Lt. Col. Pete Schneider of the Louisiana National Guard.

"No air conditioning, no sewage … it was not a nice place to be. All those people just in there, they were frustrated, they were hot. Out of all that chaos, all of these rumors start flying."

Louisiana National Guard Col. Thomas Beron, who headed security at the Superdome, said that for every complaint, "49 other people said, 'Thank you, God bless you.' "

The media inaccuracies had consequences in the disaster zone.

Bush, of the National Guard, said that reports of corpses at the Superdome filtered back to the facility via AM radio, undermining his struggle to keep morale up and maintain order.

"We had to convince people this was still the best place to be," Bush said. "What I saw in the Superdome was just tremendous amounts of people helping people."

But, Bush said, those stories received scant attention in newspapers or on television.

Times staff writer Scott Gold contributed to this report.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-rumors27sep27,0,1943547,print.story?coll=la-home-headlines

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posted September 27, 2005 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sep 27 2:01 PM US/Eastern

By MICHELLE ROBERTS
Associated Press Writer


NEW ORLEANS


On Sept. 1, with desperate Hurricane Katrina evacuees crammed into the convention center, Police Chief Eddie Compass reported: "We have individuals who are getting raped; we have individuals who are getting beaten."

Five days later, he told Oprah Winfrey that babies were being raped. On the same show, Mayor Ray Nagin warned: "They have people standing out there, have been in that frickin' Superdome for five days watching dead bodies, watching hooligans killing people, raping people."

The ugliest reports _ children with slit throats, women dragged off and raped, corpses piling up in the basement _ soon became a searing image of post-Katrina New Orleans.

The stories were told by residents trapped inside the Superdome and convention center and were repeated by public officials. Many news organizations, including The Associated Press, carried the witness accounts and official pronouncements, and in some cases later repeated the claims as fact, without attribution.

But now, a month after the chaos subsided, police are re-examining the reports and finding that many of them have little or no basis in fact.

They have no official reports of rape and no eyewitnesses to sexual assault. The state Department of Health and Hospitals counted 10 dead at the Superdome and four at the convention center. Only two of those are believed to have been murdered.

One of those victims _ found at the Superdome _ appears to have been killed elsewhere before being brought to the stadium, said Bob Johannessen, the agency spokesman.

"It was a chaotic time for the city. Now that we've had a chance to reflect back on that situation, we're able to say right now that things were not the way they appeared," said police Capt. Marlon Defillo.

Sally Forman, a spokeswoman for Nagin, said the mayor was relying on others for his information about conditions at the evacuation sites. "He was listening to officials, trusting that information they were providing was accurate," she said.

To be sure, conditions at both sites were chaotic. Water was rising around the Superdome, home to 20,000 evacuees. Toilets were backing up, garbage was rotting, fights were breaking out. Food was in short supply at the convention center, where about 19,000 people took shelter from the rising waters. The temperature was climbing. The elderly and very young were desperate for food, water and medicine.

Police said they saw muzzle flashes at the convention center, and a National Guard member was shot in the leg when an evacuee tried to take his gun.

A week after the floodwaters poured into the city, an Arkansas National Guardsman told The Times-Picayune of New Orleans that soldiers had discovered 30 to 40 bodies inside a freezer in the convention center's food area. Guardsman Mikel Brooks told the newspaper that some of the dead appeared to have met violent ends, including "a 7-year-old with her throat cut."

When the convention center was swept, however, no such pile of bodies was found.

Lt. Col. Jacques Thibodeaux of the Louisiana National Guard said reports of violence at the Superdome and the convention center were overblown. He was head of security at the Superdome and led the 1,000 military police and infantrymen who went in to secure the center on Sept. 2.

"The incidents were highly exaggerated" _ the result of fear and hopelessness, he said. "For the amount of the people in the situation, it was a very stable environment."

Thibodeaux said his guard unit received no reports of rape.

Bill Waldron, a homicide detective from Florida in New Orleans for a murder trial, was stuck in the convention center until Sept. 1. He said he saw a couple of fights between young men, but "no murders, no rapes." He said that he did see people dying, but that those deaths were most likely a result of the heat and lack of water.

"People were wanting just some type of authority to come in and say, `Hey, this is what's going to happen,'" Waldron said. "People were scared."

New Orleans District Attorney Eddie Jordan said officials at the morgue in St. Gabriel have identified four apparent homicide victims from the city. All were shot and all were adults. Police arrested one person on suspicion of attempted sexual assault but received no official reports of rape.

Judy Benitez, executive director of the Louisiana Foundation Against Sexual Assault, cautioned that it might be too soon to say whether there really were rapes at the evacuation sites. Because the evacuees and any perpetrators have been scattered across the country by Katrina, and now Hurricane Rita, victims may come forward later, she said.

"It is extremely difficult to get good statistics about rape under normal circumstances, and these are certainly not normal circumstances," she said.

Bill Ellis, a folklorist at Pennsylvania State University, said rumors in an environment like that at the evacuation centers are to be expected, given the frightening circumstances and paucity of authoritative information.

"Rumors become improvised news. You become your own anchorman," he said.

The chaos also seemed to affect some reporters and editors, said Kelly McBride, who teaches ethics to journalists at the Poynter Institute, a journalism research and education center in St. Petersburg, Fla.

"You get so hung up as a reporter on what the big picture is that you use generalizations that become untrue," McBride said.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/27/D8CSOHS80.html

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posted September 28, 2005 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No one seems to be responding, but I wanted to let you know I read this.

Not only is this article from the LA Times, but it also notes NY Times being one of the sources careful to note that the information could not be verified. I get from this that liberal media are still interested in reporting with integrity.

I gather that your point is simply that the situation was worsened by inaccurate and sensationalized news reports that only made matters worse increasing the fear both inside and outside of New Orleans while simultaneously diminishing the contributions of those who were there to help. I don't think anyone's really going to argue with that.

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posted September 28, 2005 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes and no... so many people jumped on the bandwagon to use the rumors / issues as another way to blame the president for not doing enough. It angers me that the state of LA's politicians - local and state- added more fuel to the fire in order to make a point.

There were errors all around and there are MANY to blame.

Alot of people are not aware of the politics that take place in Emergency Response. I wasn't even aware of all the details until I started this position. I am on the rapid response / emergency response team for the county health department (the whole bioterrorism unit is). We have day long sessions details all the hoops we would have to go through should we have an emergency.

Arizona is a great state though in that our Governor (like Texas and Mississippi - almost all fo the East Coast and California) is in tuned with what the local municipalities emergency reponse plans are and attend our meetings. Still, should we have a huge outbreak or disaster here, we'd have to go through our director, to the board, to the state, to the feds.

In any event you have people that WANT to be in front of the camera talking about the plight of their constituents.

We just had an intense webcast today that talked about the exercises and drills we run (sometimes involving thousands of people that volunteer to act like victims). Even in our drills we have problems and if there are problems in a drill then you know they will occur in real life.

What everyone is forgetting is that this was a Natural Disaster- unfortunately they happen. Look at the Tsunami and how many people were killed from that tragedy. It just seems Americans always want someone to blame. No one can be 100% safe, if that were true towns wouldn't be obliterated by tornadoes, people wouldn't die in wildfires..etc...

I also think some of the finger-pointing is due to the emotional response based on many of these unfounded stories.

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posted September 28, 2005 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People do want someone to blame. That's very true, but blaming like this happens regardless of which party is in power.

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posted September 29, 2005 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmmm, I have to disagree with you there AG. Clinton NEVER got this type of blame for the natural disasters (with the exception of the EPA and the wildfires due to inadequate deforestation). Can you imagine if the press crucified him for the OK bombing?

Let's be real here. There are extremely vocal people on the left, once again, using something to blame Bush.

I don't know, I think it's getting pretty old. It is one thing to hate the man because of his policies or even hate the war, but the constant whining and deeming the enture Bush family a bunch of demons or accusing them of being evil is incredibly tiresome.

There are some threads that I no longer post on because I realize it will end up being one big "I hate Bush" lovefest LOL... I am waiting for the California wildfires to be blamed on some Republican conspiracy headed by the Bush family.

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Naw, those are on Arnold.

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posted September 29, 2005 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've almost always lived in California. Wildfires are a yearly occurance no matter who's in charge. To me it seems as common as the rain in the UK. I don't think I've ever seen a fire response criticized.

I think Bush gets an extra dose of hate from the left largely due to his family. If he was in no way associated with a rich, waspy, well-connected family he'd get a whole lot more credit. There's no telling if he would have won in that case, though, or if he'd have even run in the first place.

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I am waiting for the California wildfires to be blamed on some Republican conspiracy headed by the Bush family.-pidaua



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Pid: I resonate totally with what you wrote. Vocal left is so true and it has created some distortions as far as Im concerned. Another thing since Im ranting here. I am so sick of every radio station news reporting that Bush's approval ratings are down. I don't see what difference that makes at all. WHo gives a flying feck????

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posted November 11, 2005 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People like it when those in charge fall. It makes us all feel better about ourselves.

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posted November 11, 2005 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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WHo gives a flying feck????

Just everyone who doesn't agree with this administration, that's all.

There is a disturbing article in today's Yahoo news. It's an AP article, but the headline is something like, "Most Americans Don't Trust Bush." You read it, and it says they polled 1,000 people. A thousand out of 100 million is like a hundredth or thousandth of 1%. 'Most' people.

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posted November 12, 2005 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG statistics is based on RANDOM sampling of a poplulation. Stasticians have proved time and time again, if you take a random sampling of a population, that represents the total population. But the sampling MUST be random.

For example if you RANDOMLY sample 1,000 people and 800 hate bush, thats 80%. If you then polled every damn person in the country you'd get about 80% of people hating bush. Seems crazy but its true!

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three statisticians went out duck hunting.....
they just sat down in their blind when a duck flew overhead......
the first statistician jumped up with his gun and fired a shot 1 foot over the ducks head....

the second statistician jumped up with his gun and fired a shot 1 foot below the duck....

the third statistician jumped up with a calculator and yelled "we got him!!"

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What i mean is , what difference does it make, He can't get elected again and he is in office now so why is it important to know what the polls say? Maybe its simplistic on my part but it seems to be wasted information. Is this an attempt to sway people against republicans or something?

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The Northside Journal
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Blanco Refused To Act...
Governor’s Indecision Cost Precious Time

Just before midnight on August 26, three days before Katrina was to make landfall, Kathleen Blanco received a phone call from George Bush. The president had been through a series of briefings from Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Hagin and knew the potential dangers to New Orleans and the surrounding area from a storm the size of Katrina. Now he was attempting to convince the Governor of Louisiana that she needed to take immediate action. His pleas fell on deaf ears. It seemed that the Governor was more concerned with the legalities of accepting federal assistance, and the appearance that her office could not handle the emergency.

Despite Governor Blanco’s reluctance to coordinate the state’s efforts with federal assistance, President Bush declared a state of emergency for Louisiana two full days before Katrina hit the Louisiana coast. The move allowed FEMA to begin staging relief supplies for immediate distribution in New Orleans once the storm had passed. The president's emergency declaration also allowed FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts and to provide appropriate assistance in a number of Louisiana parishes. All that was left to do was wait for Kathleen Blanco to request Federal assistance. Under the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, which was revised after 9/11, the Federal Government and FEMA are not allowed to interfere with local operations unless they are authorized by state and local leaders.

Meanwhile Blanco had her own advisors insisting that the President was actually making a request for federal takeover of the Louisiana National Guard, and asking to put Louisiana State Police under federal control. They were concerned that this would be the same as martial law and lead to abuse of power by the federal government.

The next day, August 27, Bush called Blanco again and urged her to order a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, she refuses.

By August 28, with Katrina less than 24 hours away, Governor Blanco had not made the decision to allow FEMA workers to assist with relief efforts.

On this same day, Max Maxfield, the National Hurricane Director, called Mayor Ray Nagin and educated him on the force of nature was bearing down on his city. He stressed to Nagin that this storm could clean New Orleans off the map. “A storm this size and intensity will destroy the levees in New Orleans, they were not built for this,” he said. Apparently Maxfield made his point, Mayor Nagin issued a mandatory evacuation order for New Orleans on Sunday, August 28.

At 6:44am on August 29, Hurricane Katrina crossed Caprien Bay and slammed into Buras, Louisiana packing winds of 144 miles an hour and pushing a 24 foot wall of water ahead of her. The tidal surge fanned out in a cone ahead of the eye wall. As she crossed the Biloxi Wildlife Management Area and into Lake Borgne, the wall of water entered Lake Ponchartrain and began to affect the levee system of New Orleans. The eye continued north and made landfall again at the Mississippi/Louisiana border. As Katrina progressed inland the wind shifted, forcing additional pressure on the 17th Street Canal levee.

On the afternoon of August 29, in downtown New Orleans and the French Quarter, the brunt of the high winds had passed. Residents began to peek out and discovered the city was mostly intact. There was wind damage, and some water in the streets, but they had seen this before and weren't concerned. Sometime during the night of the 29th or early morning of the 30th, water began to pour through the 17th Street Canal levee. New Orleans began to flood.

By Tuesday, August 30, the federal relief effort began shipping food, water and medical supplies toward Louisiana for use in New Orleans. The same operation was underway in Mississippi and Alabama. The governors of those states had a already signed on to federal help and relief was pouring in. Governor Blanco was the lone holdout. She had still not made a decision. The Department of Defense sent search and rescue experts, doctors, nurses and support personnel. FEMA was there to help as much as they could but local and state officials would not allow them to participate because Governor Blanco still had not given her permission .

Residents of New Orleans watched as the flood waters continued to pour through the breach in the 17th Street Canal levee and by Wednesday their frustration began to boil. The summer sun baked survivors on rooftops. Those who made it to the Superdome were now wandering through the gutted building, waiting for relief supplies and help which never came. Mayor Ray Nagin cursed everyone who failed to move fast enough, but Kathleen Blanco toured the stricken city in a helicopter while she conducted a news interview for CBS. On the ground, state officials were struggling with the magnitude of the disaster, but were rapidly being overwhelmed. Federal officials were on standby, ready to move, but Governor Blanco had still mot made a decision to ask for federal help.

That evening, Blanco watched as reports of rapes and looting poured into the command center. National news agencies began to run video of looters breaking into stores and making off with garbage bags of goods. One policeman was shot in the head. Other rescue workers reported hearing bullets zinging around them as they tried to save lives. New Orleans was out of control, and the media was wondering who was in charge.

On Thursday, September 1, amid a growing clamor of questions about the lack of action being taken in New Orleans, Blanco finally signed Executive Order KBB-2005-23, giving permission for the federal government to enter Louisiana with military assistance. FEMA began to move supplies into the stricken parishes along the path of Katrina. The Red Cross was finally given permission to deliver the food and water it had stockpiled in the area. Lt. General Russel Honore arrived and began to take command of the military assets which were already in place. As he barked orders, things began to happen, rapidly. Mayor Ray Nagin said, "He came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving.” Nagin called Gen Honore a “John Wayne kind of dude!”

In the first 12 hours after Governor Blanco relinquished control of the rescue and relief effort in New Orleans, military helicopters flew more rescue missions than in the previous three days. Un-official count of those taken out of the flooded city topped 10,000.

By Friday September 2, the federal relief effort was in full swing. Gen. Honore was now totally in charge and the effects of a firm leader were evident. A convoy of about 50 military vehicles arrived at the Convention Center where 7,000 storm survivors had waited for 4 days without food or water. When the convoy arrived military police quickly took charge and began to assist the survivors. State officials had halted the evacuations from two New Orleans hospitals, however, under Gen Honore’s command, the Army and National Guard began ferrying the injured and sick to safety. State Police, along with Military Police and other federal law enforcement agencies began restoring order.

President Bush visited command posts in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana to personally make sure that everything that could be done, was being done. When he returned to Washington on the evening of September 2, he signed a temporary spending bill directing 10.2 billion dollars in aid be sent to Katrina affected states. The situation was beginning to improve.

When the sick and injured are evacuated, the looters arrested, and the water drained, New Orleans will begin the enormous task of clean up and reconstruction. Already there are those in Congress who recognize that Louisiana has a reputation for being the most corrupt state in the country. They are strongly advocating that any federal money sent to Louisiana NOT be put into the hands of Louisiana officials. Rep. Tom Tancredo suggested that all federal money be funneled through a House Committee. “Given the long history of political corruption in Louisiana, I am not confident that Louisiana officials can be trusted to administer federal relief aid.”

Currently, three officials with Louisiana State Office of Emergency Preparedness are under indictment for mis-handling of 30 million dollars in FEMA funds. In typical Louisiana fashion, Mark Smith of the Louisiana Homeland Security office said, “Really, it’s not that the money was misspent here or misspent there...it’s just a case of improper paperwork.” Justice Department officials have said that 30 million dollars is a lot of misfiled forms. Reports state the money was spent on professional dues, up-scale leather briefcases, large screen T.V.s, stereo equipment, and a trip to Germany.

As coastal Louisiana begins to recover from this disaster, the voters in Louisiana are beginning to re-evaluate their choice of leaders. The voices for change in a state that has been called the nations only “banana republic” are growing louder. They vow to rebuild, both their beloved New Orleans and the political system that failed her.
http://www.northsidejournal.com/special2.htm

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the more I read about this the more disgusted I am.

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*clear throat* "AHEM! WHAT ABOUT THIS?"

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Bush was warned of hurricane

Washington: Experts warned President Bush before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in the Superdome in New Orleans and overwhelm rescuers, newly obtained videos of confidential briefings reveal.

The footage shows that Mr Bush did not ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on August 29, though he assured state officials: “We are fully prepared.”

But a hurricane expert had voiced “grave concerns” about the levees and then Michael Brown, the head of Federal Emergency Management Agency, told Mr Bush that he feared there were too few disaster teams to help evacuees at the Superdome.

Four days after the storm Mr Bush said: “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees.” (AP)

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28 agencies reported levee woes day Katrina hit, documents show

By Lara Jakes Jordan, Associated Press | February 10, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Twenty-eight government agencies, from local Louisiana parishes to the White House, reported that New Orleans's levees were breached on Aug. 29, the day Hurricane Katrina roared ashore, according to documents released yesterday.
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A timeline of e-mail messages, situation updates, and weather reports, pieced together by Senate Democrats, indicates that the Bush administration knew as early as 8:30 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time about levee failures that would lead to massive flooding of the city and its surrounding counties, or parishes.

Senate Democrats said the documents raise questions about whether the government moved quickly enough to rescue storm victims once they realized the levees had broken.

A White House spokesman, Trent Duffy, said President Bush and his top aides were fully aware of the massive flooding and less concerned about whether it had been caused by levee breaches, overtopped levees, or failed pumps. All three were being reported at the time.

''We knew there was flooding, and that's why the number one effort in those early hours was on search and rescue and saving life and limb," Duffy said.

Shortly after the disaster, Bush said, ''I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." He later said his comment had been meant to suggest that there had been a false sense of relief that the levees had held.

The Bush administration has said it knew definitively early Tuesday, the day after the storm, that the levees had been breached.

Their information, they said, was based on an Army Corps of Engineers assessment.

Democrats said the documents showed there was little excuse for the federal response.

''The first communication came at 8:30 a.m.," said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, top Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. ''So it is inexplicable to me how those responsible for the federal response could have woken up Tuesday morning unaware of this obviously catastrophic situation."

The first internal White House communication about levee failures was issued at 11:13 a.m. on Aug. 29 in a ''Katrina Spot Report" that was issued by the Homeland Security Council. ''Flooding is significant throughout the region and a levee in New Orleans has reportedly been breached, sending 6-8 feet of water throughout the 9th ward area of the city," the internal report said.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/02/10/28_agencies_reported_levee_woes_day_katrina_hit_documents_show/

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posted March 06, 2006 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all Rainbow, what is it that you don't understand about that story being a flat out lie? A lie later retracted by the paper. Bush was not warned the levees could be breached but was told they could be overtopped by rising water....a vast difference in potential damage and safety for the residents of New Orleans.

How is it that you find this lying story but didn't find the retraction the paper printed after they got their @sses ripped for telling the lie?

Second Petron, what is it you don't understand about the sovereignty of the states? What don't you understand about the President's lack of Constitutional authority to intervene within states without the approval or request of the chief executive of the state...the Governor? The democrats well know the President cannot send federal troops into a state without the Governors request or approval...except for insurrections by the state or possibly to protect federal installations within a state.

You democrats need to get over it. Blanco and Nagin both screwed the pooch royally. Blanco refused to federalize the relief effort and blocked both FEMA and the military until days after Katrina had come and gone. This going on while Bush was repeatedly asking her to do so...and also to declare a Mandatory Evacuation of New Orleans....and also while there WAS time to do so.

Nagin set on his @ss with more than 500 city buses and school buses sitting in a compound and not one of them got fired up to evacuate residents from New Orleans. Nagin didn't even follow the cities own disaster plan. Instead Nagin was screeching and screaming to send Greyhound buses to evacuate the city...as if the federal government could order a private company to do so...it can't.

It was the state and city responsibility to provide food, shelter and water as well as security for the sites within New Orleans designated as emergency shelters. That didn't get done either. FEMA, even if Blanco had signed on to the federal relief effort is not a first responder agency, does not have rescue units, does not have security forces and is not responsible for stocking city designated shelters with food and water BEFORE a natural disaster strikes.

But Blanco did not sign that executive order giving the federal government authority to send in federal troops and FEMA on the day Katrina struck...Monday, August 29 about 6:45am, nor did she sign it on Tues, nor on Wed but finally on Thursday, September 1st, Blanco got off her incompetent @ss, got off the interview circuit and signed the executive order.

Both Blanco and Nagin are incompetent boobs...both of them. The lying leftist press seems to think they can take the heat off these 2 incompetent democrats by blaming Bush for the response to Katrina but that bullsh*t is falling apart.

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posted March 06, 2006 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Monday, March 6, 2006 10:21 a.m. EST
Ray Nagin Plays Re-election Race Card

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin is playing the race card in his bid for re-election, reminding black audiences that his white opponents "don't look like us."

Appearing Saturday before the NAACP's Family & Technology Center in Houston, Nagin noted that 23 candidates had entered the mayoral fray before the registration deadline last week.

"Very few of them look like us," he told the audience of about 200, whom the Houston Chronicle described as "almost totally black."

Nagin was in Houston to encourage displaced Katrina evacuees to cast their absentee ballots for him.

Some refugees, however, made it clear they still harbor resentments for the way he botched evacuation efforts.
"You waited until it was too late. The mandatory evacuation was too late and there were people who drowned," said evacuee Eugene Jefferson, who the Chronicle described as "emotional and tearful."

"Now you want us to vote for you?" Jefferson huffed.

Among the candidates opposing Nagin is Louisiana Lt. Governor Mitch Landrieu, brother of Sen. Mary Landrieu - who once threatened to punch anyone who criticized the performance of local officials in the Katrina disaster.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/6/102645.shtml?s=ic

*Make that dimocrat Senator Mary Landrieu.


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follow along.....(with links provided)

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For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 27, 2005

Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana

The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana

The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures

Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html


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August 28, 2005
Mandatory Evacuation Ordered for New Orleans as Storm Nears
By CHRISTINE HAUSER
and THOMAS J. LUECK

Threatened with a potential catastrophe, the mayor of New Orleans ordered people in the city to evacuate today as Hurricane Katrina gained strength. President Bush has already declared an emergency for Louisiana and Mississippi, which along with other parts of the northern Gulf coast states lie in the direction of the hurricane.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/national/29k atrinacnd.html?adxnnl=0&adxnnlx=1125345182-bdMePcE/ywIIqmedhjvUng&pagewanted=print

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at fema it says emergency was declared aug. 27...the day before evacuations were ordered...

.a disaster was declared aug 29 the day katrina hit......


http://www.fema.gov/news/disasters_state.fema?id=22


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Posted 8/31/2005 10:03 PM

Pentagon to send 10,000 National Guard troops

By Dave Moniz, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon said Wednesday that it will add 10,000 National Guard soldiers from around the country to areas of Louisiana and Mississippi ravaged by Hurricane Katrina. A combination of troop callups and recruiting problems has left the two states with fewer of their own troops to provide aid.

Fighting two wars and doing hurricane relief could cripple the part-time military, a government official said.

More than 5,900 Guard soldiers from the two states, about a third of the total, are deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq. The states' governors need more soldiers to halt looting, rescue storm victims and provide aid and comfort to residents.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-31-guard-katrina_x.htm

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Guardsmen Greeted With Applause, Anger
Sep 02 2:54 PM US/Eastern
By ALLEN G. BREED
Associated Press Writer

NEW ORLEANS

Four days after Hurricane Katrina struck, the National Guard arrived in force Friday with food, water and weapons, churning through the floodwaters in a vast truck convoy with orders to retake the streets and bring relief to the suffering.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/02/D8CC9VLGE.html

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"screwed the pooch"

Sorry. Continue on guys ....

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posted March 09, 2006 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes TINK, we're all on pins and needles here wondering what the puppies will look like.

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posted March 10, 2006 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay... Rainbow...please provide an explanation for this:

Just before midnight on August 26, three days before Katrina was to make landfall, Kathleen Blanco received a phone call from George Bush. The president had been through a series of briefings from Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Hagin and knew the potential dangers to New Orleans and the surrounding area from a storm the size of Katrina. Now he was attempting to convince the Governor of Louisiana that she needed to take immediate action. His pleas fell on deaf ears. It seemed that the Governor was more concerned with the legalities of accepting federal assistance, and the appearance that her office could not handle the emergency.

Despite Governor Blanco’s reluctance to coordinate the state’s efforts with federal assistance, President Bush declared a state of emergency for Louisiana two full days before Katrina hit the Louisiana coast. The move allowed FEMA to begin staging relief supplies for immediate distribution in New Orleans once the storm had passed. The president's emergency declaration also allowed FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts and to provide appropriate assistance in a number of Louisiana parishes. All that was left to do was wait for Kathleen Blanco to request Federal assistance. Under the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, which was revised after 9/11, the Federal Government and FEMA are not allowed to interfere with local operations unless they are authorized by state and local leaders.


It absolutely counters YOUR posting that Bush did NOTHING. Yet, the time-line (and evidence) proves that Gov Blanco DID receive a call from Bush 2.5 days BEFORE the Hurricane HIT. In fact it was BUSH that declared a State of Emergency TWO FULL DAYS before the Hurricane.

What exactly would you have done, as President, given the laws that you must abide by regarding State Rights?

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