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Mystic Gemini
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posted January 18, 2006 08:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/574460306?ltl=1137633716


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maklhouf
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posted January 21, 2006 06:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Be careful. You are being manipulated. Child abuse is very useful to the authorities as a control mechanism.

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And I will give thee the treasures of darkness
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LibraSparkle
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posted January 21, 2006 11:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Besides that... signing a petition isn't going to be effective in eliminating child abuse.

Calling Child Protective Services (I've found from personal experience) is also completely ineffective in eliminating child abuse.

I used to have this neighbor that would get stumbling drunk and knock around her three year old... or just pass out and leave her to run around the complex with no dinner (or coat or shoes for that matter). At first I just brought the little girl into my house to feed her and play with her. She liked being over because I was nice to her, and I had a little baby. She was such a sweet little girl. After about a month of this, I called CPS. Nothing. By the end of my stay at that complex, I had called CPS on this woman THREE times. Nothing ever came of it.

As far as I know, she could still have this child... and god knows how many other children to mistreat.

Having come from a childhood much like the one I described above, I have a pretty good feeling that this little girl will overcome her adversity... as I did. (No doubt she has a long hard road ahead of her )

I could never hurt a child because I know what it is like to be the child being hurt. I think a lot of abuse victims grow to feel this way.

Others... well, we know what happens in that cycle.

Unfortunately, laws, petitions, and CPS won't stop these disgusting people from hurting their children.

It is up to each one of us to make a personal choice to be a good person and do the right thing. No law is capable of make people choose to be good people.

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TINK
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posted January 21, 2006 01:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear God. I'm agreeing with Houfy again.

What the hell is going on? Have the magnetic poles reversed or something??

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Mystic Gemini
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posted January 21, 2006 06:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could care less about the authorites.


It's about the children.


Tink. You agree with anyone who disgrees with me period.


*Rolls eyes.


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TINK
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posted January 21, 2006 06:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't be so hard on yourself, MG. I've agreed with you several times in the past. (I believe that the last time we exchanged pleasantries I commented that your post was succinct )Also, I wouldn't classify houfy's response as a outright disagreement with you. It seemed to me he was offering an additional piece of information. And an accurate piece, I think.

Of course it's fun and rebellious to say you couldn't care less about the authorities. The problem is they care about you.

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pinkfairy
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posted January 22, 2006 05:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O

authorities

caring about
"YOU"
that isnt
always
the case
is it?

not to
my mind

and Mystic
is quite
correct in
her concern
for the
children
is she not

children
before
anyone or
anything
gets my
vote

cornflakes
??

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TINK
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posted January 22, 2006 10:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree. I think the authorities are very interested in what we get our troublesome little noses into. And you can be sure the goverment will use the problem of child abuse to suit it's own needs ... not ours.

Ignore Big Brother at your own peril.

You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who will admit to a pro-child abuse stance, pink. But if want to try, by all means ....

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pinkfairy
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posted January 22, 2006 10:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O

Tink
I follow
your
sentiment

but at
times

they do
fail us
dont
you
think?

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TINK
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posted January 22, 2006 11:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By "they" I assume you mean the authorities? If so, then yes. Yes, they do fail us. It's the nature of power. Is this news? *shrugs* Is there anyone left who has faith in the powerful?

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LibraSparkle
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posted January 22, 2006 01:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... and where do you draw the line?

When I spanked my 2 year old for running out into the street for the eleventy-billionth time, was it child abuse?

Some would say yes. We don't hit the children under any circumstances.

As a whole, people will never agree about the definition of child abuse.

My children don't get spanked anymore because I think they are too old for it to be effective (they're 8((next month)) and 9). At this point I have to be more creative in my discipline for them to really learn a lesson. Spanking would just p!ss them off.

But... when they were small, especially when they were putting themselves or someone else in danger, a few swats on the behind was all that was necessary to grab their attention.

The authorities?? Bah... who cares what their opinion is anyhow? I'm with TINK, I have no faith in The Man. The Man has ulterior motives and is not to be trusted.

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TINK
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posted January 22, 2006 05:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LS

Power to the people!

I agree btw that a verbal explanation doesn't always work with a 2 year. In serious and extreme situations (ex. running into the street, touching the stove, etc.) sometimes a quick slap on the behind is necessary to get your point across.

But your local Child Protective Services might think otherwise.

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proxieme
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posted January 22, 2006 06:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
...sometimes a quick slap on the behind is necessary to get your point across.

But your local Child Protective Services might think otherwise.



One of the few instances in which living in southern Alabama has been an asset

(No, I don't beat Meg - the only time she's gotten a real "spanking" is when she persisted, despite time-outs, explanations, and a very clear warning, to carry our new kitten around by his neck.
Not his nape, his neck.)

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pinkfairy
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posted January 22, 2006 07:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O

"I dont hold
with
punishment
it sours a
person"

from
Silas
Marner

by George
Eliot

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TINK
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posted January 22, 2006 07:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was never much of an Eliot fan. Got anything else?

Sort of amusing to watch you quote from ole' Silas though.

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proxieme
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posted January 22, 2006 07:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But lack of punishment makes for...dead kittens

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TINK
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posted January 22, 2006 08:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Punishment and discipline are different sorts of things entirely. Intent really is what it's all about, I think. Prox, were you punishing Megan? Were you full of anger and vengeance and frustration? Or were you trying to teach her something?

Of course we could say that things like slaps have no place in the arsenal of a teacher. But having received a few slaps myself - mild up until this point and thank Heaven for that - I would argue that point.

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proxieme
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posted January 22, 2006 09:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good distinction, TINK.

Although I must admit to a few wrathful squirts of our Cat's Bane (a bottle filled with water) at Harry (we adopted him - completely declawed - as an adult; he persists in trying to go outside; we can't allow that as there are foxes and coyotes and he can't climb trees or give a whirling cat kick of claws) I make it a point to not displine Meghan in anger.

I have been rewarded in my efforts by being allowed to see the harshest treatment she gives her dolls - she rocks, "shh"s, and pats their backs to get them to sleep.
So frikkin' precious.

(It strikes me that I've become significantly less elequent and thoughtful since becoming a mother...mostly because I now post in stolen moments while dodging Huey's sincere efforts to help me with the computer.)

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pinkfairy
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posted January 23, 2006 03:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O

I have plenty
thankyou

but feel I
am in an
inappropriate
place to
quote

would fall
on deaf, unkind
and cynical ears


O

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pinkfairy
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posted January 23, 2006 03:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O

suffice
to say

everytime a
person raises
her hand to a
child

that person
can be
expected to
receive three
hits back...

karma.......

striking another
is the cowards
way out...

think about
it

cornflakes

!!

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LibraSparkle
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posted January 23, 2006 05:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O

Pink Fairy

Exactly

how many

children

do you

have

??

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pinkfairy
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posted January 23, 2006 06:15 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O

that is of no consequence

but if ones child

came home from
school in
trouble due to
striking another

what could you
say to them

that its alright
cos I do that
to you

OF COURSE

its wrong to
strike

a child, an adult
or an animal

Lord above
have we not
evolved at
all

oh cornflakes
this makes
me so sad

!!

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pinkfairy
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posted January 23, 2006 06:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O

dont witness

much repentence

here either
as in "i struck my
child"

I am remorseful

shame on you
cornflakes

indeed

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maklhouf
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posted January 23, 2006 10:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the things your child needs to learn is that you are also human and fallible, so that's OK. A very young child does not react because YOU smacked it, it just reacts to the pain, but anyway signing petitions etc. just gives The Man an excuse to put another lock on the door.

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And I will give thee the treasures of darkness
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LibraSparkle
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posted January 23, 2006 11:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Pink, I disagree. I think whether or not you are a parent is very relevant to this conversation.

Either you are one of two kinds of people:

1. The kind of childless person that likes to go around giving opinions on the topic of parenting when in fact they are clueless...

or

2. An actual parent who doesn't believe in swatting the behind of their two year old. (You can see these wonderful parents at the grocery store... they are the ones with the kids EVERYONE ELSE wants to spank because they are behaving like little animals with no discipline!)

So... Pinky Winky... which type of person are you?

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