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Topic: Give the Scale of Child Abuse National Attention
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Mystic Gemini unregistered
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posted January 18, 2006 08:23 PM
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/574460306?ltl=1137633716
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maklhouf unregistered
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posted January 21, 2006 06:27 AM
Be careful. You are being manipulated. Child abuse is very useful to the authorities as a control mechanism.------------------ And I will give thee the treasures of darkness Isiah 45:3 IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle unregistered
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posted January 21, 2006 11:13 AM
Besides that... signing a petition isn't going to be effective in eliminating child abuse.Calling Child Protective Services (I've found from personal experience) is also completely ineffective in eliminating child abuse. I used to have this neighbor that would get stumbling drunk and knock around her three year old... or just pass out and leave her to run around the complex with no dinner (or coat or shoes for that matter). At first I just brought the little girl into my house to feed her and play with her. She liked being over because I was nice to her, and I had a little baby. She was such a sweet little girl. After about a month of this, I called CPS. Nothing. By the end of my stay at that complex, I had called CPS on this woman THREE times. Nothing ever came of it. As far as I know, she could still have this child... and god knows how many other children to mistreat. Having come from a childhood much like the one I described above, I have a pretty good feeling that this little girl will overcome her adversity... as I did. (No doubt she has a long hard road ahead of her ) I could never hurt a child because I know what it is like to be the child being hurt. I think a lot of abuse victims grow to feel this way. Others... well, we know what happens in that cycle. Unfortunately, laws, petitions, and CPS won't stop these disgusting people from hurting their children. It is up to each one of us to make a personal choice to be a good person and do the right thing. No law is capable of make people choose to be good people. IP: Logged |
TINK unregistered
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posted January 21, 2006 01:53 PM
Dear God. I'm agreeing with Houfy again.What the hell is going on? Have the magnetic poles reversed or something?? IP: Logged |
Mystic Gemini unregistered
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posted January 21, 2006 06:07 PM
I could care less about the authorites. It's about the children.
Tink. You agree with anyone who disgrees with me period.
*Rolls eyes.
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TINK unregistered
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posted January 21, 2006 06:32 PM
Don't be so hard on yourself, MG. I've agreed with you several times in the past. (I believe that the last time we exchanged pleasantries I commented that your post was succinct )Also, I wouldn't classify houfy's response as a outright disagreement with you. It seemed to me he was offering an additional piece of information. And an accurate piece, I think.Of course it's fun and rebellious to say you couldn't care less about the authorities. The problem is they care about you. IP: Logged |
pinkfairy unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 05:22 AM
Oauthorities caring about "YOU" that isnt always the case is it? not to my mind and Mystic is quite correct in her concern for the children is she not children before anyone or anything gets my vote cornflakes ?? IP: Logged |
TINK unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 10:13 AM
I disagree. I think the authorities are very interested in what we get our troublesome little noses into. And you can be sure the goverment will use the problem of child abuse to suit it's own needs ... not ours.Ignore Big Brother at your own peril. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who will admit to a pro-child abuse stance, pink. But if want to try, by all means .... IP: Logged |
pinkfairy unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 10:56 AM
OTink I follow your sentiment but at times they do fail us dont you think? IP: Logged |
TINK unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 11:36 AM
By "they" I assume you mean the authorities? If so, then yes. Yes, they do fail us. It's the nature of power. Is this news? *shrugs* Is there anyone left who has faith in the powerful?IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 01:24 PM
... and where do you draw the line?When I spanked my 2 year old for running out into the street for the eleventy-billionth time, was it child abuse? Some would say yes. We don't hit the children under any circumstances. As a whole, people will never agree about the definition of child abuse. My children don't get spanked anymore because I think they are too old for it to be effective (they're 8((next month)) and 9). At this point I have to be more creative in my discipline for them to really learn a lesson. Spanking would just p!ss them off. But... when they were small, especially when they were putting themselves or someone else in danger, a few swats on the behind was all that was necessary to grab their attention. The authorities?? Bah... who cares what their opinion is anyhow? I'm with TINK, I have no faith in The Man. The Man has ulterior motives and is not to be trusted.
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TINK unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 05:49 PM
LSPower to the people! I agree btw that a verbal explanation doesn't always work with a 2 year. In serious and extreme situations (ex. running into the street, touching the stove, etc.) sometimes a quick slap on the behind is necessary to get your point across. But your local Child Protective Services might think otherwise. IP: Logged |
proxieme unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 06:09 PM
quote: ...sometimes a quick slap on the behind is necessary to get your point across.But your local Child Protective Services might think otherwise.
One of the few instances in which living in southern Alabama has been an asset (No, I don't beat Meg - the only time she's gotten a real "spanking" is when she persisted, despite time-outs, explanations, and a very clear warning, to carry our new kitten around by his neck. Not his nape, his neck.) IP: Logged |
pinkfairy unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 07:07 PM
O"I dont hold with punishment it sours a person" from Silas Marner by George Eliot IP: Logged |
TINK unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 07:47 PM
Was never much of an Eliot fan. Got anything else?Sort of amusing to watch you quote from ole' Silas though. IP: Logged |
proxieme unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 07:51 PM
But lack of punishment makes for...dead kittens IP: Logged |
TINK unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 08:20 PM
Punishment and discipline are different sorts of things entirely. Intent really is what it's all about, I think. Prox, were you punishing Megan? Were you full of anger and vengeance and frustration? Or were you trying to teach her something? Of course we could say that things like slaps have no place in the arsenal of a teacher. But having received a few slaps myself - mild up until this point and thank Heaven for that - I would argue that point. IP: Logged |
proxieme unregistered
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posted January 22, 2006 09:01 PM
Good distinction, TINK.Although I must admit to a few wrathful squirts of our Cat's Bane (a bottle filled with water) at Harry (we adopted him - completely declawed - as an adult; he persists in trying to go outside; we can't allow that as there are foxes and coyotes and he can't climb trees or give a whirling cat kick of claws) I make it a point to not displine Meghan in anger. I have been rewarded in my efforts by being allowed to see the harshest treatment she gives her dolls - she rocks, "shh"s, and pats their backs to get them to sleep. So frikkin' precious. (It strikes me that I've become significantly less elequent and thoughtful since becoming a mother...mostly because I now post in stolen moments while dodging Huey's sincere efforts to help me with the computer.) IP: Logged |
pinkfairy unregistered
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posted January 23, 2006 03:45 AM
OI have plenty thankyou but feel I am in an inappropriate place to quote would fall on deaf, unkind and cynical ears O
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pinkfairy unregistered
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posted January 23, 2006 03:47 AM
Osuffice to say everytime a person raises her hand to a child that person can be expected to receive three hits back... karma....... striking another is the cowards way out... think about it cornflakes !! IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle unregistered
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posted January 23, 2006 05:24 AM
O Pink Fairy Exactly how many children do you have ?? IP: Logged |
pinkfairy unregistered
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posted January 23, 2006 06:15 AM
Othat is of no consequence but if ones child came home from school in trouble due to striking another what could you say to them that its alright cos I do that to you OF COURSE its wrong to strike a child, an adult or an animal Lord above have we not evolved at all oh cornflakes this makes me so sad !! IP: Logged |
pinkfairy unregistered
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posted January 23, 2006 06:22 AM
Odont witness much repentence here either as in "i struck my child" I am remorseful shame on you cornflakes indeed IP: Logged |
maklhouf unregistered
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posted January 23, 2006 10:51 AM
One of the things your child needs to learn is that you are also human and fallible, so that's OK. A very young child does not react because YOU smacked it, it just reacts to the pain, but anyway signing petitions etc. just gives The Man an excuse to put another lock on the door.------------------ And I will give thee the treasures of darkness Isiah 45:3 IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle unregistered
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posted January 23, 2006 11:33 AM
Well Pink, I disagree. I think whether or not you are a parent is very relevant to this conversation.Either you are one of two kinds of people: 1. The kind of childless person that likes to go around giving opinions on the topic of parenting when in fact they are clueless... or 2. An actual parent who doesn't believe in swatting the behind of their two year old. (You can see these wonderful parents at the grocery store... they are the ones with the kids EVERYONE ELSE wants to spank because they are behaving like little animals with no discipline!) So... Pinky Winky... which type of person are you? IP: Logged |