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jwhop
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posted April 02, 2006 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just kill 90% of the earth's population...with Ebola virus. So says a University of Texas Science faculty member.

31 March 2006
Meeting Doctor Doom
Forrest M. Mims III


Recently citizen scientist Forrest Mims told me about a speech he heard at the Texas Academy of Science during which the speaker, a world-renowned ecologist, advocated for the extermination of 90 percent of the human species in a most horrible and painful manner. Apparently at the speaker's direction, the speech was not video taped by the Academy and so Forrest's may be the only record of what was said. Forrest's account of what he witnessed chilled my soul. Astonishingly, Forrest reports that many of the Academy members present gave the speaker a standing ovation. To date, the Academy has not moved to sanction the speaker or distance itself from the speaker's remarks.

If the professional community has lost its sense of moral outrage when one if their own openly calls for the slow and painful extermination of over 5 billion human beings, then it falls upon the amateur community to be the conscience of science.

Forrest, who is a member of the Texas Academy and chairs its Environmental Science Section, told me he would be unable to describe the speech in The Citizen Scientist because he has protested the speech to the Academy and he serves as Editor of The Citizen Scientist . Therefore, to preclude a possible conflict of interest, I have directed Forrest to describe what he observed and his reactions in this special feature, for which I have served as editor and which is being released a week ahead of our normal publication schedule. Comments may be sent to Backscatter . Shawn Carlson, Ph.D., Founder and Executive Director, Society for Amateur Scientists.

There is always something special about science meetings. The 109th meeting of the Texas Academy of Science at Lamar University in Beaumont on 3-5 March 2006 was especially exciting for me, because a student and his professor presented the results of a DNA study I suggested to them last year. How fulfilling to see the baldcypress ( Taxodium distichum ) leaves we collected last summer and my tree ring photographs transformed into a first class scientific presentation that's nearly ready to submit to a scientific journal (Brian Iken and Dr. Deanna McCullough, "Bald Cypress of the Texas Hill Country: Taxonomically Unique?" 109th Meeting of the Texas Academy of Science Program and Abstracts [ PDF ], Poster P59, p. 84, 2006).

But there was a gravely disturbing side to that otherwise scientifically significant meeting, for I watched in amazement as a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation to a speech that enthusiastically advocated the elimination of 90 percent of Earth's population by airborne Ebola. The speech was given by Dr. Eric R. Pianka (Fig. 1), the University of Texas evolutionary ecologist and lizard expert who the Academy named the 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist.

Something curious occurred a minute before Pianka began speaking. An official of the Academy approached a video camera operator at the front of the auditorium and engaged him in animated conversation. The camera operator did not look pleased as he pointed the lens of the big camera to the ceiling and slowly walked away.

This curious incident came to mind a few minutes later when Professor Pianka began his speech by explaining that the general public is not yet ready to hear what he was about to tell us. Because of many years of experience as a writer and editor, Pianka's strange introduction and the TV camera incident raised a red flag in my mind. Suddenly I forgot that I was a member of the Texas Academy of Science and chairman of its Environmental Science Section. Instead, I grabbed a notepad so I could take on the role of science reporter.

One of Pianka's earliest points was a condemnation of anthropocentrism, or the idea that humankind occupies a privileged position in the Universe. He told a story about how a neighbor asked him what good the lizards are that he studies. He answered, “What good are you?”

Pianka hammered his point home by exclaiming, “We're no better than bacteria!”

Pianka then began laying out his concerns about how human overpopulation is ruining the Earth. He presented a doomsday scenario in which he claimed that the sharp increase in human population since the beginning of the industrial age is devastating the planet. He warned that quick steps must be taken to restore the planet before it's too late.

Saving the Earth with Ebola

Professor Pianka said the Earth as we know it will not survive without drastic measures . Then, and without presenting any data to justify this number, he asserted that the only feasible solution to saving the Earth is to reduce the population to 10 percent of the present number.

He then showed solutions for reducing the world's population in the form of a slide depicting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse . War and famine would not do, he explained. Instead, disease offered the most efficient and fastest way to kill the billions that must soon die if the population crisis is to be solved.

Pianka then displayed a slide showing rows of human skulls, one of which had red lights flashing from its eye sockets.

AIDS is not an efficient killer, he explained, because it is too slow. His favorite candidate for eliminating 90 percent of the world's population is airborne Ebola ( Ebola Reston ), because it is both highly lethal and it kills in days, instead of years. However, Professor Pianka did not mention that Ebola victims die a slow and torturous death as the virus initiates a cascade of biological calamities inside the victim that eventually liquefy the internal organs.

After praising the Ebola virus for its efficiency at killing, Pianka paused, leaned over the lectern, looked at us and carefully said, “We've got airborne 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that.”

With his slide of human skulls towering on the screen behind him, Professor Pianka was deadly serious. The audience that had been applauding some of his statements now sat silent.

After a dramatic pause, Pianka returned to politics and environmentalism. But he revisited his call for mass death when he reflected on the oil situation.

“And the fossil fuels are running out,” he said, “so I think we may have to cut back to two billion, which would be about one-third as many people.” So the oil crisis alone may require eliminating two-third's of the world's population.

How soon must the mass dying begin if Earth is to be saved? Apparently fairly soon, for Pianka suggested he might be around when the killer disease goes to work. He was born in 1939, and his lengthy obituary appears on his web site .

When Pianka finished his remarks, the audience applauded. It wasn't merely a smattering of polite clapping that audiences diplomatically reserve for poor or boring speakers. It was a loud, vigorous and enthusiastic applause.

Questions for Dr. Doom

Then came the question and answer session, in which Professor Pianka stated that other diseases are also efficient killers.

The audience laughed when he said, “You know, the bird flu's good, too.” They laughed again when he proposed, with a discernable note of glee in his voice that, “We need to sterilize everybody on the Earth.”

After noting that the audience did not represent the general population, a questioner asked, "What kind of reception have you received as you have presented these ideas to other audiences that are not representative of us?"

Pianka replied, "I speak to the converted!"

Pianka responded to more questions by condemning politicians in general and Al Gore by name, because they do not address the population problem and "...because they deceive the public in every way they can to stay in power."

He spoke glowingly of the police state in China that enforces their one-child policy. He said, "Smarter people have fewer kids." He said those who don't have a conscience about the Earth will inherit the Earth, "...because those who care make fewer babies and those that didn't care made more babies." He said we will evolve as uncaring people, and "I think IQs are falling for the same reason, too."

With this, the questioning was over. Immediately almost every scientist, professor and college student present stood to their feet and vigorously applauded the man who had enthusiastically endorsed the elimination of 90 percent of the human population. Some even cheered. Dozens then mobbed the professor at the lectern to extend greetings and ask questions. It was necessary to wait a while before I could get close enough to take some photographs (Fig. 1).

I was assigned to judge a paper in a grad student competition after the speech. On the way, three professors dismissed Pianka as a crank. While waiting to enter the competition room, a group of a dozen Lamar University students expressed outrage over the Pianka speech.

Yet five hours later, the distinguished leaders of the Texas Academy of Science presented Pianka with a plaque in recognition of his being named 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist. When the banquet hall filled with more than 400 people responded with enthusiastic applause, I walked out in protest.

Corresponding with Dr. Doom

Recently I exchanged a number of e-mails with Pianka. I pointed out to him that one might infer his death wish was really aimed at Africans, for Ebola is found only in Central Africa. He replied that Ebola does not discriminate, kills everyone and could spread to Europe and the the Americas by a single infected airplane passenger.

In his last e-mail, Pianka wrote that I completely fail to understand his arguments. So I did a check and found verification of my interpretation of his remarks on his own web site. In a student evaluation of a 2004 course he taught, one of Professor Pianka's students wrote, "Though I agree that convervation [sic] biology is of utmost importance to the world, I do not think that preaching that 90% of the human population should die of ebola [sic] is the most effective means of encouraging conservation awareness." (Go here and scroll down to just before the Fall 2005 evaluation section near the end.)

Yet the majority of his student reviews were favorable, with one even saying, “ I worship Dr. Pianka .”

The 45-minute lecture before the Texas Academy of Science converted a university biology senior into a Pianka disciple, who then published a blog that seriously supports Pianka's mass death wish.

Dangerous Times

Let me now remove my reporter's hat for a moment and tell you what I think. We live in dangerous times. The national security of many countries is at risk. Science has become tainted by highly publicized cases of misconduct and fraud.

Must now we worry that a Pianka-worshipping former student might someday become a professional biologist or physician with access to the most deadly strains of viruses and bacteria? I believe that airborne Ebola is unlikely to threaten the world outside of Central Africa. But scientists have regenerated the 1918 Spanish flu virus that killed 50 million people. There is concern that small pox might someday return. And what other terrible plagues are waiting out there in the natural world to cross the species barrier and to which scientists will one day have access?

Meanwhile, I still can't get out of my mind the pleasant spring day in Texas when a few hundred scientists of the Texas Academy of Science gave a standing ovation for a speaker who they heard advocate for the slow and tortuous death of over five billion human beings.


Forrest M. Mims III is Chairman of the Environmental Science Section of the Texas Academy of Science, and the editor of The Citizen Scientist. He and his science are featured online at www.forrestmims.org and www.sunandsky.org . The views expressed herein are his own and do not represent the official views of the Texas Academy of Science or the Society for Amateur Scientists.
http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_2006/2006-04-07/feature1p/index.html


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Harpyr
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posted April 02, 2006 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harpyr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I am acutely aware that humanity is wreaking havok on the few remaining pockets of virgin wilderness and agree that something needs to be done. But that doesn't mean I sit around hoping for some nasty virus to kill 90% of the population. I spend my time brainstorming ways we can change our culture and society to better lighten the footprint we leave. No matter how likely I think some future catastrophic population reducing event may be, I don't look forward to it and in fact sincerely hope that we find away to avoid it whilst also learning how to be better citizens of the planet.

I was skeptical at first that this Dr. Pianka actually advocated for this but after alittle poking around with google, it looks like he probably did. I think it's sad that he's got so little hope for our future..


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jwhop
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posted April 02, 2006 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's sad someone hasn't put a bullet in this insane sonofabitch.

This idiot isn't merely speculating on how 90% of the worlds population might be killed off; he's laying out a blueprint for the biggest mass murder in the history of the planet...and getting applauded by the scientific community at University of Texas for doing so.

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Petron
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posted April 02, 2006 08:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here jwhop....
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~varanus/

he should be easy to find, why dont you go put a bullet in his head?

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posted April 02, 2006 08:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's just science, jwhop. Admittedly science in the extreme, but I wonder if the essence of a thing is best found by taking it to the extreme? I thought you were a fan of the scientific?

Ebola is a nasty way to die. Maybe he could find something a little less painful?

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jwhop
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posted April 02, 2006 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a better idea. Why don't we just find all those who think it would be a good idea to kill 90% of the worlds population by whatever means comes to hand and put them all to death?

Thank you for locating the murderous little jerk Petron. Directing me to his website was a big help.

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posted April 03, 2006 01:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This guy is paranoid. If he's so convinced maybe he should start by using the virus on himself, and then publish a paper about it.

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posted April 03, 2006 06:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
<<I think it's sad someone hasn't put a bullet in this insane sonofabitch.
This idiot isn't merely speculating on how 90% of the worlds population might be killed off; he's laying out a blueprint for the biggest mass murder in the history of the planet...and getting applauded by the scientific community at University of Texas for doing so.>>

This is not new. Several high level meetings have occured where it has been decided that the world population should be reduced to 2 billion. This scientist is just a pawn who can publicly speak of the agenda on behalf of his masters.

SARS, Ebola, HIV every kind of mutation is being explored.

And the wicked plan will fail because our DNA has enough protein sequences that enable the discovery of new technology to sustain the human race and the Earth. Everytime we need the right invention, it will come.

Zero Point Energy/Vacuum Energy/Mass Space Travel. Advances in these areas can enable billions of humans to populate the inhabitable planets in the Universe.

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posted April 03, 2006 07:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thinning out the herd ... old news

and looking at it from a purely scientific perspective, it makes perfect sense.

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posted April 03, 2006 07:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
And the wicked plan will fail because our DNA has enough protein sequences that enable the discovery of new technology to sustain the human race and the Earth. Everytime we need the right invention, it will come.

I like your optimism Iqhunk How far have we advanced in these technologies/areas thus far. Are we prepared for an outbreak, say tomorrow?

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posted April 03, 2006 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This would be absolutely absurd if it wasn't so frighteningly possible. The guy is not just a nutcase ... he has nutcase followers.
The problem is not necessarily just too many people on the planet ... the problem is largely due to the misappropriation of resources and, of course, greed.

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He spoke glowingly of the police state in China that enforces their one-child policy. He said, "Smarter people have fewer kids." He said those who don't have a conscience about the Earth will inherit the Earth, "...because those who care make fewer babies and those that didn't care made more babies." He said we will evolve as uncaring people, and "I think IQs are falling for the same reason, too."

And that quote is just laughable in its ignorance. A single person can be more of a problem than a family of 10 when it comes to a personal effort to protecting our resources and being self-sufficient. It's more about how we choose to live than about the number of us living ...

<pet peeve rant follows>
Frankly, it would also be nice if formally educated people would stop mistaking a formal education with intelligence. Intelligence is something you're born with, formal education is something you pay a lot of money for. While the two are not mutually exclusive, neither are they intrinsically and inextricably related.
/rant off

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posted April 04, 2006 05:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Prof threatened after 'Drudge Report' publishes his views on population control
Liz Austin, Associated Press

Last update: April 04, 2006 – 10:05 AM


Prof threatened after 'Drudge Report' publishes his views on population control

AUSTIN, Texas — Talk radio and blogs are taking aim at a University of Texas biology professor because of a published report suggesting he advocates death for most of the human population as a means of saving the Earth.

However, Eric Pianka says his remarks about his beliefs were taken out of context, that he was just raising a warning that deadly disease epidemics are a threat if population growth isn't contained.

"What we really need to do is start thinking about controlling our population before it's too late," he said Monday. "It's already too late, but we're not even thinking about it. We're just mindlessly rushing ahead breeding our brains out."

Pianka, who has gotten vitriolic e-mails and even a death threat, said he believes the Earth would be better off if there were fewer people using up natural resources and destroying habitats.

The furor began when The Gazette-Enterprise of Seguin, Texas, reported Sunday on two speeches Pianka made last month to groups of scientists and students about vanishing animal habitats and the exploding human population.

That report was circulated widely and posted on "The Drudge Report," then quickly became talk radio fodder.

The Gazette-Enterprise quoted Pianka as saying disease "will control the scourge of humanity. We're looking forward to a huge collapse."

It said he weighed the killing power of various diseases such as bird flu and HIV but decided neither would yield the needed results.

"HIV is too slow. It's no good," he said.

Pianka said that doesn't mean he wants most humans to die.

However, Forrest Mims, an amateur scientist, author and chairman of the Texas Academy of Science's environmental science section, told The Associated Press there was no mistaking Pianka's disdain for humans and desire for their elimination in the speech he heard.

"He wishes for it. He hopes for it. He laughs about it. He jokes about it," Mims said. "It's got to happen because we are the scourge of humanity."

Pianka was expressing his own opinion, University of Texas spokesman Don Hale said.

"Dr. Pianka has First Amendment rights to express his point of view," Hale said. "We have plenty of faculty with a lot of different points of view and they have the right to express that point of view, but they're expressing their personal point of view."
http://www.startribune.com/484/story/350003.html


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Petron
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posted April 04, 2006 05:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a death threat eh??

jwhop ....tsk tsk....

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