posted May 05, 2006 02:04 PM            

Ariz. Posse to Arrest Illegal Immigrants
May 04 6:49 PM US/Eastern
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By AMANDA LEE MYERS
Associated Press Writer

PHOENIX

A posse of 100 volunteers and sheriff's deputies will patrol the Phoenix area and arrest any illegal immigrants, the county sheriff said.

The group likely will be deployed across parts of Maricopa County by the weekend, Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Wednesday.

Volunteers will be drawn from the department's 3,000-member posse, whose members are trained and are often former deputies.

"It's important to send the message out to stay in Mexico and don't come roaming around here hoping you're going to get amnesty," said Arpaio, who in years past gained notoriety for putting inmates on chain gangs and issuing them striped uniforms and pink underwear.

Arpaio's deputies have already arrested about 120 illegal immigrants using a new state smuggling law.

"We're going to arrest any illegal who violates this new law," he said. "I'm not going to turn these people over to federal authorities so they can have a free ride back to Mexico. I'll give them a free ride into the county jail."

Under the law _ as interpreted by the Maricopa County attorney _ illegal immigrants can be arrested and prosecuted for conspiracy to smuggle themselves into the country. The law's authors have said they intended it to be used to prosecute smugglers, not the immigrants being smuggled.

Lawyers for nearly 50 undocumented immigrants charged with conspiracy to commit human smuggling have filed motions to have the charges dismissed.

A Los Angeles attorney brought into the case last week by the Mexican Consul General's Office in Phoenix plans to file another motion claiming Maricopa County Attorney officials are violating state and federal law because it's the federal government's job to control illegal immigration.

Both motions are to be argued in county court on May 23.

posted May 05, 2006 02:37 PM            

Well, what could those pushing illegal immigration expect...in view of the fact some people flew the US flag, not only upside down but beneath the Mexican flag and waved Mexican flags in everyone's faces.

Further, though it wasn't well reported...if at all, in the so called mainstream press, those demonstrations were organized, funded and led by communist groups opposed to the very concept of America.

There should be a major backlash against those in this country illegally attempting to tell us that...not only do we have to permit their presence here but grant them full citizenship rights...because they managed to walk across our borders.

posted May 05, 2006 03:24 PM            

People shopped, ate, worked, etc... as usual.

My take on the matter is exactly what we have seen in the analysis of the post walk outs (from the one we just had and the one from weeks ago).

The large demonstrations were supported by communist parties using the "angst" of the illegals to fuel the protests. The stats proved that 73% of American's now believe we need to do more to reinforce our borders and keep out the illegals.

People marching included; illegal immigrants from all over the globe, people being told to demonstrate yet had no idea why they were doing it, people who just wanted to get out of work, people that want something for nothing and supporters of the socialistic and communistic parties.

Then there were the people that really thought they were doing something good - but seeing the American flag flown below that of another country AND upside down (here in the US) was a slap in the face.

Another local article came out the other day concerning one of our local hospital. They normally lose $30,000 a month from April through June to treating illegal immigrants. Because our border protection is stronger and due to the minutement - they have been only losing an average of $7,000 a month.

posted May 05, 2006 08:42 PM              

I think you'e tyring a little to hard :x

posted May 06, 2006 09:08 AM              

The upside down American flags were the last straw for me. Very bad manners. It should have been shouted from the rooftops by press, but I barely heard a peep.

posted May 07, 2006 02:23 PM              

Yeah, it would be a sad way to live if everything was about race. However, race is a visible reality that does bring some advantages and disadvantages depending on what race you are, what part of the world you live in and what time period one is living in too.

posted May 07, 2006 03:23 PM              

In Darfur...

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Everyone is black

Although the conflict has also been framed as a battle between Arabs and black Africans, everyone in Darfur appears dark-skinned, at least by the usual American standards. The true division in Darfur is between ethnic groups, split between herders and farmers. Each tribe gives itself the label of "African" or "Arab" based on what language its members speak and whether they work the soil or herd livestock. Also, if they attain a certain level of wealth, they call themselves Arab.

Sudan melds African and Arab identities. As Arabs began to dominate the government in the past century and gave jobs to members of Arab tribes, being Arab became a political advantage; some tribes adopted that label regardless of their ethnic affiliation. More recently, rebels have described themselves as Africans fighting an Arab government. Ethnic slurs used by both sides in recent atrocities have riven communities that once lived together and intermarried.

"Black Americans who come to Darfur always say, 'So where are the Arabs? Why do all these people look black?' " said Mahjoub Mohamed Saleh, editor of Sudan's independent Al-Ayam newspaper. "The bottom line is that tribes have intermarried forever in Darfur. Men even have one so-called Arab wife and one so-called African. Tribes started labeling themselves this way several decades ago for political reasons. Who knows what the real bloodlines are in Darfur?"

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posted May 07, 2006 04:05 PM            

Yeah.. I think I have a handle on my color considering I look in the mirror everyday, see my hands when I type and have an Hispanic Surname.

At the same time, I am an American. I am MIXED - my mother is white and my father is brown. They are also 100% American.

I could care less about the color or race of someone. I DO care about ILLEGAL immigration. The keyword, in case you and others didn't get it IS - ILLEGAL... meaning - not here through LEGAL means.

I hope I clarified that for you.

Peace-

posted May 07, 2006 04:44 PM              

Well....maybe "girl" is overdoing it a bit .

I received this in my email the other day and thought I'd share....

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Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and
I would like to ask you to assist me.

I'm going to walk across the
border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements.

I know you can help with this. I plan to skip all the legal stuff like
visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle
those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your
buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm on my way over? Please let him
know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easyaccess
to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort
to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not g et the memo
from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police
officers speak English.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decalson my
car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any
complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and
never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on
the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all
these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico.

I am sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him
nicely. However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go
quail hunting with your V.P.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Sincerely,

US Citizen

posted May 07, 2006 04:53 PM              

...and here's what I want to say....

My daughter-in-law is German; born and raised there. But now she is an American Citizen.

It wasn't handed to her on a silver platter.

That girl worked real hard to 'earn' her citizenship...(I remember well, watching her sworn in at the Gerald Ford museum in Grand Rapids, Michigan and what pride she took in finally attaining her goal - Citizenship...)

...and she has learned English so that she might better acclimate herself to her adopted country (and amazingly with hardly any accent).

I'm real proud of her....she is the mother of my granddaughter, Tianna.

posted May 07, 2006 05:32 PM              

So I can only image that most rational American citizens did not take kindly to, or at the very least were confused by, illegal immigrants demanding citizenship while at the same time telling the USA to screw and insisting Mexico was superior to the USA.

Basically, it's a slap in the face. Sort of like pictures of Mohammad with a bomb. Fortunately for the protesters, it's a legal slap in the face.

posted May 07, 2006 06:06 PM              

Just wanted to comment, on something you said...

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And I'm waiting for nationalism (the sort based on tribe rather than ideology) to die a quick death too. In their way, they were good and useful for a while but their time is over.

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I'm not sure if you're familiar with it (you probably are - cuz you're a very intelligent lady), but either way....I just have to mention the people of the SIX NATIONS who were tribes - with ideology....
http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/#FF
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The Six Nations:
Oldest living Participatory Democracy on Earth

The people of the Six Nations.....included the Mohawks, Oneidas, Onondagas, Cayugas, and Senecas. The sixth nation, the Tuscaroras, migrated into Iroquois country in the early eighteenth century.

Together these peoples comprise the oldest living participatory democracy on earth. Their story, and governance truly based on the consent of the governed, contains a great deal of life-promoting intelligence for those of us not familiar with this area of American history.

The original United States representative democracy, fashioned by such central authors as Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, drew much inspiration from this confederacy of nations.

In our present day, we can benefit immensely, in our quest to establish anew a government truly dedicated to all life's liberty and happiness much as has been practiced by the Six Nations for over 800 hundred years.

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From the introduction of the book......

FORGOTTEN FOUNDERS

written by Bruce E. Johansen.

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This book has two major purposes. First, it seeks to weave a few new threads into the tapestry of American revolutionary history, to begin the telling of a larger story that has lain largely forgotten, scattered around dusty archives, for more than two centuries. By arguing that American Indians (principally the Iroquois) played a major role in shaping the ideas of Franklin (and thus, the American Revolution) I do not mean to demean or denigrate European influences. I mean not to subtract from the existing record, but to add an indigenous aspect, to show how America has been a creation of all its peoples.

In the telling, this story also seeks to demolish what remains of stereotypical assumptions that American Indians were somehow too simpleminded to engage in effective social and political organization. No one may doubt any longer that there has been more to history, much more, than the simple opposition of "savagery" and "civilization." History's popular writers have served us with many kinds of savages, noble and vicious, "good Indians" and "bad Indians," nearly always as beings too preoccupied with the essentials of the hunt to engage in philosophy and statecraft.

This was simply not the case. Franklin and his fellow founders knew differently. They learned from American Indians, by assimilating into their vision of the future, aspects of American Indian wisdom and beauty. Our task is to relearn history as they experienced it, in all its richness and complexity, and thereby to arrive at a more complete understanding of what we were, what we are, and what we may become.

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My own tribe the Ottawa, along with Ojibway and Potowatomi formed the Council of the Three Fires, a confederacy of peoples whose languages and territories were close, and who met together for military and political purposes.

.....During the 1600's and 1700's, the Confederacy held the hub of the Great Lakes and maintained relations with the Iroquois Confederacy, The Sauk, Fox, Menominee, Huron, Winnebago, Sioux, British and French Nations, among others. Often these international relations would deteriorate into wards, though most frequently, trade and peaceful co-existence prevailed.

By the mid 1700's, partly with the encouragement of the British, the Council of Three Fires became the core of the Western of Lakes Confederacy. The Hurons, Algonquins, Nipissing, Sauks, Foxes, and others joined the Confederacy, and this powerful body provided the British with important allies in times of war and a balance to the Iroquois Confederacy to the south and east. The Great Treaty of Niagara of 1764 marked the formal beginning of the peaceful relations with Great Britain.

Ps...thanks for the kind words about my daughter in law.....she's a good woman...and know my granddaughter has a great role-model.....

Love,
Rainbow

posted May 07, 2006 06:32 PM              

Illegal immigrants undermine America's economy. But some can say America has undermined South and Central American resources and thus economy as well.

Tink, a nation and its people can rise, and for a time be powerful. But no nation is safe from an eventual downfall. God on the other hand is free from this. So that's why I don't pay any flag, nation, president or what have you, nearly the same respect that I give to the Creator and Sustainer of this Universe, He who has the power to raise up a people and then to diminish them.

posted May 07, 2006 07:07 PM              

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.....I don't pay any flag, nation, president or what have you, nearly the same respect that I give to the Creator and Sustainer of this Universe.....

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posted May 07, 2006 07:09 PM              

I agree that God may raise or destroy a nation if and when he chooses. If my country breaks it's holy covenant with God we will likewise be broken. No doubt about it. We are protected and blessed only as long as we uphold our Constitution and Declaration. But I have faith that if we fail another nation will, someday somewhere, pick up the banner and carry on. Bodies die, souls don't.

posted May 07, 2006 07:25 PM              

Late one night, a thousand years ago, Juni and I were bemoaning the fact that, had cards been played a bit differently, we could have made a truly beautiful country together. I think we both had exactly what the other needed. It was a damn, damn shame and a great loss to all.

posted May 07, 2006 07:41 PM              

Different ideologies have more in common than most people think. And most great systems start off protecting the rights of their people, even the weak. But most all, eventually fall flat on their face and become oppressive systems that benefit the wealthy and powerful over the weak. And some nations on the other hand didn't really follow the same destructive patterns yet their time was up for reasons unknown.

posted May 07, 2006 09:20 PM              

What was revolutionary? As I said, this "tribe" is based on allegiance to a belief. Nations were once formed strictly through tribal identity. France from the Franks etc. This nation is not. The philosophy behind our beginnings is clear and it has nothing to do with race. "Out of many .. one"

posted May 07, 2006 09:55 PM              

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I think the idea found it's closest chance at real manifestation through the US Declaration and Constitutuion.

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posted May 08, 2006 11:30 AM              

Did he come down and tell you?

How do you know its not a woman?

Until I find out...I'm not gonna live my life praying and believing in something I'm not even sure exists.